I will never forgive UNT for what they did to us

[Jonnyeagle]

You cannot tell me that this fiasco with the luncheon did not impact Ross deserting us for WVA!   Head should absolutely roll on this.  This ABSOLUTELY impacted our ability to renew Ross.  Only at UNT.  Only at UNT would this travesty happen.

[CMJ]

If WVU is paying him like three times what we did, I doubt the luncheon fiasco had a whole lot to do with this.

[Rudy]

1 minute ago, Jonnyeagle said:

You cannot tell me that this fiasco with the luncheon did not impact Ross deserting us for WVA!   Head should absolutely roll on this.  This ABSOLUTELY impacted our ability to renew Ross.  Only at UNT.  Only at UNT would this travesty happen.

The county club, anti athletics cancer strikes again.  When will someone in power address the cancer infestation of this university?

[BigWillie]

According to the articles, he interviewed for it last week, so it's possible he already had decided before LuncheonGate.

[NT93]

36 minutes ago, Jonnyeagle said:

You cannot tell me that this fiasco with the luncheon did not impact Ross deserting us for WVA!   Head should absolutely roll on this.  This ABSOLUTELY impacted our ability to renew Ross.  Only at UNT.  Only at UNT would this travesty happen.

I don’t think the luncheon had anything to do with him leaving, but I don’t think there’s any doubt that it could affect the pool of potential candidates to replace him.

Edited Wednesday at 05:40 PM by NT93

[untjim1995]

What this fiasco will do is not keep Hodge from accepting a huge raise and a giant step upward, but it will tell anyone worth a damn to understand completely what a $hitshow we are for athletics. Some won't care, since they can either move up fast if we win or they can Benford this place for all the years of a contract. But good luck keeping players and really good luck in getting anyone to transfer here with this nonsense to recruit against for decades ahead.

[Big Z]

Not just what they did to us....but how they made us look 

[untjim1995]

2 minutes ago, Big Z said:

Not just what they did to us....but how they made us look 

They made us look exactly how they want us to look--like we just don't care about sports here. I mean, seriously, the leadership and the community cannot tell you any harder that they don't care a thing about winning. They care about budget and known costs.

Very teachers' college view of things.

[2020 Sucks]

Ross hated the Super Pit, he hated how lackadaisical the fans were on the side of the Pit opposite the bench (the alumni side I’m told), he hated being in a 1-bid conference, and he hated developing talent and watching them walk out the door for a bigger bag.  WVU solves all of those problems.

[Green Mean]

It's probably not what people want to see and here but given the blowback that has happened and how outsiders giggled at this, I don't think this would ever happens again here...at least I hope.

[untjim1995]

15 minutes ago, 2020 Sucks said:

Ross hated the Super Pit, he hated how lackadaisical the fans were on the side of the Pit opposite the bench (the alumni side I’m told), he hated being in a 1-bid conference, and he hated developing talent and watching them walk out the door for a bigger bag.  WVU solves all of those problems.

So he was a typical mid-major coach? Everyone coaching at non-power schools, except for Memphis, Gonzaga, and other exceptions, every coach has to deal with that stuff, even the fan issues. Hell, plenty of power schools have to deal with the same crap.

[GrandGreen]

It has little to do with NT, it is a move to the big time. 

It is almost eventible that a coach at a lower tier school that is successful enough to warrant a ticket upward is going to be gone.  

I doubt if NT had sell-outs and triple the NIL funds; it would have made any difference.   The luncheon fiasco had nothing to do with it.  

Time to try the impossible and find a better basketball coach for NT.  I also would listen very intently on who Hodge might recommend. 

 

[BigWillie]

I get the lack of administration support, fan support, pay, but why can't we find someone like a Mark Few that is loyal and stays for a long time? 

Pay isn't the deal with him, just in 2011, it looks like he only made 100k more than Hodge.

[MCMLXXX]

26 minutes ago, BigWillie said:

why can't we find someone like a Mark Few that is loyal and stays for a long time? 

Guys like that are Few and Far Between!  

[golfingomez]

2 hours ago, Jonnyeagle said:

You cannot tell me that this fiasco with the luncheon did not impact Ross deserting us for WVA!   Head should absolutely roll on this.  This ABSOLUTELY impacted our ability to renew Ross.  Only at UNT.  Only at UNT would this travesty happen.

also... has anyone ever actually seen Jared Mosley and Tony Benford at the same time?

[MeanGreenZen]

1 hour ago, 2020 Sucks said:

Ross hated the Super Pit, he hated how lackadaisical the fans were on the side of the Pit opposite the bench (the alumni side I’m told), he hated being in a 1-bid conference, and he hated developing talent and watching them walk out the door for a bigger bag.  WVU solves all of those problems.

WVU is coming with its own problems and they are not insignificant. 

[BigWillie]

6 minutes ago, MeanGreenZen said:

WVU is coming with its own problems and they are not insignificant. 

That is a great point. I think the only advantage is fan support and more pay.

[StealthEagle84]

I am more mad that our university denied our student body, alumni, and community the opportunity to host a Big 12 opponent on national television with no other college basketball games on.  It is absolutely absurd and people need to be held accountable.  Coach Hodge was probably out the door anyways.  But our leadership screwed this one up royally and denied ourselves a perfect opportunity to highlight the best athletic run we've had in decades on a national stage.  

[untjim1995]

2 minutes ago, BigWillie said:

That is a great point. I think the only advantage is fan support and more pay.

Those are two fairly large advantages…

[CMJ]

30 minutes ago, BigWillie said:

That is a great point. I think the only advantage is fan support and more pay.

They have a much more storied history in the sport than we do too.

[BigWillie]

3 minutes ago, CMJ said:

They have a much more storied history in the sport than we do too.

And that's mostly because of Few, isn't it? I mean he has been there since the 80s.

[CMJ]

3 minutes ago, BigWillie said:

And that's mostly because of Few, isn't it? I mean he has been there since the 80s.

I was talking about West Virginia.

 

 

Few got the Gonzaga job after their first run to the Regional Final in 1999 (Monson was their coach back then).  

[Green Mean]

44 minutes ago, BigWillie said:

That is a great point. I think the only advantage is fan support and more pay.

I also think it's a school that if you are having success then it's a stepping stone to an even bigger profile job and opportunity. 

[MeanGreenZen]

West Virginia is certainly a better job with more fan support and money than North Texas. 
West Virginia is also in the bottom 1/4 of the Big 12. It is not nearly the job that Grant got. Grant has almost unlimited NIL money.
West Virginia has way more than us but is severely disadvantaged to its peers. 
I could see Ross doing well there then jumping on the first train he can find out of town just like their last guy did. 

Edited Wednesday at 09:14 PM by MeanGreenZen

[meaniegreenie]

3 hours ago, CMJ said:

If WVU is paying him like three times what we did, I doubt the luncheon fiasco had a whole lot to do with this.

Yes, money does eventually become a factor and this was likely enough to produce the change.

However, people that are committed to their situation and enjoy what they are doing will often forgo a LOT of money to remain where they are happy.  Additionally, RH knows that if he simply maintains his status quo for a couple more years, he'll have plenty of opportunities over the next few years.

I've seen it numerous times and experienced it myself when I left a job that I really loved.  However, the management was totally screwing everyone over (while spewing BS about how much they respected everyone) and completely ignoring all of the feedback being provided.  Numerous employees were streaming out of the door and I eventually left for a 35% increase (obviously not 3x).  

In the exit interview, I told HR that all management ever really needed to do was to give the employees a truly honest "thank you" and perform a very minimal attempt at showing appreciation.  Despite the fact that It would cost them almost nothing to do that, they were adamant that they knew better and simply showing honest appreciation was of no use.  This was despite the fact that I personally knew dozens of people that felt the same way.