God Help us All

[TheColonyEagle]

11 hours ago, Marty said:

 

Why does it always seem like Mosely’s responses regarding this are quick little texts so he can get back to his real job….

like this is just a little nuisance while he’s at work….

 

”yeah not our fault. If we could fix it we could”. Now back to my sandwich 

[Dannymacfan]

9 minutes ago, TheColonyEagle said:

Why does it always seem like Mosely’s responses regarding this are quick little texts so he can get back to his real job….

like this is just a little nuisance while he’s at work….

 

”yeah not our fault. If we could fix it we could”. Now back to my sandwich 

Mosley has a lot of hiring to do.  Keeping us with the largest athletic department staff in G5 takes work!

[TheColonyEagle]

5 minutes ago, Dannymacfan said:

Mosley has a lot of hiring to do.  Keeping us with the largest athletic department staff in G5 takes work!

Guarding a kingdom takes time. Good point.  

[GoMeanGreen1999]

15 hours ago, NT80 said:

...begins Friday.   

It's all a top level disaster overseen by weak executives that are now looking for lame excuses to tell fans. 

Pitiful leadership all while dissing the fanbase.  

 

going on 50+ years.

[NorthTexasWeLove]

1 hour ago, TheColonyEagle said:

Why does it always seem like Mosely’s responses regarding this are quick little texts so he can get back to his real job….

like this is just a little nuisance while he’s at work….

 

”yeah not our fault. If we could fix it we could”. Now back to my sandwich 

Because he passionately leads with no passion. 

Need a new guy. Problem is our prez is clearly a lame duck. Prove me wrong...

Edited 7 hours ago by NorthTexasWeLove

[Cougar King]

12 hours ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

There is a UH billboard near downtown LA. 

About 10 years ago, a push to the Pac-12 started since that was believed to be UH's chance at a power conference since the Big East lost its status. A lot of investments were made in forming relationships out west hence the OOC games with Arizona, Oregon and UCLA. 

 

UH, Texas Tech and TCU begged the Pac-12 for memberships when UT and OU originally ran for the exit but the Pac 12 said they didn't need to expand.

 

Well...USC and UCLA left for the Big 10 a month later and we know what happened after that.

 

[UNTLifer]

2 minutes ago, Cougar King said:

About 10 years ago, a push to the Pac-12 started since that was believed to be UH's chance at a power conference since the Big East lost its status. A lot of investments were made in forming relationships out west hence the OOC games with Arizona, Oregon and UCLA. 

 

UH, Texas Tech and TCU begged the Pac-12 for memberships when UT and OU originally ran for the exit but the Pac 12 said they didn't need to expand.

 

Well...USC and UCLA left for the Big 10 a month later and we know what happened after that.

 

Don't care.

[MeanGreenTexan]

1 hour ago, TheColonyEagle said:

Why does it always seem like Mosely’s responses regarding this are quick little texts so he can get back to his real job….

like this is just a little nuisance while he’s at work….

 

”yeah not our fault. If we could fix it we could”. Now back to my sandwich 

I'm kinda wondering if these canned, generic responses from Jared are him biting his tongue hard.   I bet he has a lot more frustration to let out, but that certainly would not be good for his performance review.   
Now, how hard he fought to make the game happen before being told to fall in line... we don't know.   If he rolled over quickly, then yeah, he needs some of the blame.   If he really went to bat for his basketball teams and was eventually told to "shut up & sit down", then I respect that, & don't really hold him accountable.

Ultimately, I really think the guns here need to be turned on Keller & higher-up admins.

[NorthTexasWeLove]

8 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

I'm kinda wondering if these canned, generic responses from Jared are him biting his tongue hard.   I bet he has a lot more frustration to let out, but that certainly would not be good for his performance review.   
Now, how hard he fought to make the game happen before being told to fall in line... we don't know.   If he rolled over quickly, then yeah, he needs some of the blame.   If he really went to bat for his basketball teams and was eventually told to "shut up & sit down", then I respect that, & don't really hold him accountable.

Ultimately, I really think the guns here need to be turned on Keller & higher-up admins.

Again, great leaders view their job security as secondary.  And until leadership actually happens and fault is claimed or directed, guns should be spray fired... 

Edited 7 hours ago by NorthTexasWeLove

[MeanGreen22]

11 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Ultimately, I really think the guns here need to be turned on Keller & higher-up admins.

Absolutely on the school administration but Jared is having to take the fall as the face of athletics. Jared is a basketball guy through and through, and I’d bet is just as annoyed by this as we are

Edited 7 hours ago by MeanGreen22

[NorthTexasWeLove]

5 minutes ago, MeanGreen22 said:

Absolutely on the school administration but Jared is having to take the fall as the face of athletics. Jared is a basketball guy through and through, and I’d bet is just as annoyed by this as we are

Then. He. Needs. To. Communicate. That. 

Otherwise, he's one of the same. 

[untjim1995]

6 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

I'm kinda wondering if these canned, generic responses from Jared are him biting his tongue hard.   I bet he has a lot more frustration to let out, but that certainly would not be good for his performance review.   
Now, how hard he fought to make the game happen before being told to fall in line... we don't know.   If he rolled over quickly, then yeah, he needs some of the blame.   If he really went to bat for his basketball teams and was eventually told to "shut up & sit down", then I respect that, & don't really hold him accountable.

Ultimately, I really think the guns here need to be turned on Keller & higher-up admins.

This.

Jared knows the job requirements--public complaints about lack of support from the BOR and administration is an ender here.

It is what it is. Every other university of our size in the region uses athletics as their primary window to the school. It brings in loads of cash, too. But we chose Music and arts and cheap education. 

[MeanGreenTexan]

4 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Then. He. Needs. To. Communicate. That. 

Otherwise, he's one of the same. 

I don't know much about President Keller.   But I know the Athletics Director was elevated to a VICE PRESIDENT role under Smatresk, so Mosley answers directly to Keller.
If Keller is a hard-ass, and communicates to Mosley to "shut up about this, it's a hard NO, we're not touching the luncheon!", and Mosley turns around and tells the whole truth on social media, he can kiss his job security and any bonus/raise goodbye when the heat turns on Keller.    Put yourself in Mosley's shoes... what would you do there?

Now, if the convo was something like:
Mosley-"Hey Harry, we might have basketball games scheduled at the Pit the week of 3/24-3/28, we good?"
Keller-"Well, we have the Staff luncheon that week, so you may want to make alternate plans."
Mosley-"OK."
... then yeah, Jared would need to be taken to task.    I just doubt he'd roll over that easy.

[MeanGreenTexan]

8 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

This.

Jared knows the job requirements--public complaints about lack of support from the BOR and administration is an ender here.

It is what it is. Every other university of our size in the region uses athletics as their primary window to the school. It brings in loads of cash, too. But we chose Music and arts and cheap education. 

I doubt the BOR are involved here.   
This is not the type of decision that needs to have their consultation, but even if it was, a vast majority of them are NT alumni now.  I bet they'd see the value in ensuring both the staff luncheon and home basketball games VS OKSt & Troy all happened.    Maybe I'm wrong though.

[UNTLifer]

Just now, MeanGreenTexan said:

I doubt the BOR are involved here.   
This is not the type of decision that needs to have their consultation, but even if it was, a vast majority of them are NT alumni now.  I bet they'd see the value in ensuring both the staff luncheon and home basketball games VS OKSt & Troy all happened.    Maybe I'm wrong though.

I agree, but maybe the BOR needs to set the expectation moving forward with Keller.

[NorthTexasWeLove]

10 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

I don't know much about President Keller.   But I know the Athletics Director was elevated to a VICE PRESIDENT role under Smatresk, so Mosley answers directly to Keller.
If Keller is a hard-ass, and communicates to Mosley to "shut up about this, it's a hard NO, we're not touching the luncheon!", and Mosley turns around and tells the whole truth on social media, he can kiss his job security and any bonus/raise goodbye when the heat turns on Keller.    Put yourself in Mosley's shoes... what would you do there?

Now, if the convo was something like:
Mosley-"Hey Harry, we might have basketball games scheduled at the Pit the week of 3/24-3/28, we good?"
Keller-"Well, we have the Staff luncheon that week, so you may want to make alternate plans."
Mosley-"OK."
... then yeah, Jared would need to be taken to task.    I just doubt he'd roll over that easy.

The breakdown in not having our home basketball game in our home arena needs to be communicated. Otherwise, they're all to blame. And if Jared values his job over doing what is right then it's just another bullet point in why he needs to go...

[untjim1995]

3 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

The breakdown in not having our home basketball game in our home arena needs to be communicated. Otherwise, they're all to blame. And if Jared values his job over doing what is right then it's just another bullet point in why he needs to go...

Well, RV did it perfectly and eventually got canned--15 years later.

Jared ain't going anywhere. He's doing his job perfectly for his bosses.

[MeanGreen22]

39 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Then. He. Needs. To. Communicate. That. 

Otherwise, he's one of the same. 

Ever had a boss that told you to do something you really didn't want to do? Now did you do it? Of course you did.

[Jonnyeagle]

30 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

If Keller is a hard-ass, and communicates to Mosley to "shut up about this, it's a hard NO, we're not touching the luncheon!", and Mosley turns around and tells the whole truth on social media, he can kiss his job security and any bonus/raise goodbye when the heat turns on Keller.    Put yourself in Mosley's shoes... what would you do there?

Valid points.  Well stated @MeanGreenTexan

[NorthTexasWeLove]

2 minutes ago, MeanGreen22 said:

Ever had a boss that told you to do something you really didn't want to do? Now did you do it? Of course you did.

Haha, no. Particularly if it's wrong and has a consequential impact on others. 

[untjim1995]

12 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Haha, no. Particularly if it's wrong and has a consequential impact on others. 

98% of the university either loathes the existence of athletics here or flat out don’t care. We are the 2%, those of us on gmg.com. They would get barbecued for doing anything for that 2% over the wishes of the 98%. Thats their consequential action decision’s impact. Keep faculty happy, keep students happy, and keep Denton residents happy, or try to keep the 4000 people happy that attend a basketball game.

It sucks, but it’s because we all have to realize that the Gigantic majority of UNT alumni, students, faculty, administrators, and the local citizenry cannot stand us.

[NorthTexasWeLove]

1 minute ago, untjim1995 said:

98% of the university either loathes the existence of athletics here or flat out don’t care. We are the 2%, those of us on gmg.com. They would get barbecued for doing anything for that 2% over the wishes of the 98%. Thats their consequential action decision’s impact. Keep faculty happy, keep students happy, and keep Denton residents happy, or try to keep the 4000 people happy that attend a basketball game.

It sucks, but it’s because we all have to realize that the Gigantic majority of UNT alumni, students, faculty, administrators, and the local citizenry cannot stand us.

And they can allllll....

[TheColonyEagle]

13 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

98% of the university either loathes the existence of athletics here or flat out don’t care. We are the 2%, those of us on gmg.com. They would get barbecued for doing anything for that 2% over the wishes of the 98%. Thats their consequential action decision’s impact. Keep faculty happy, keep students happy, and keep Denton residents happy, or try to keep the 4000 people happy that attend a basketball game.

It sucks, but it’s because we all have to realize that the Gigantic majority of UNT alumni, students, faculty, administrators, and the local citizenry cannot stand us.

Sure seems like a waste of time and $$ to have an athletic department at all. Why don't they just drop athletics all together? Surely that's money that can be spent elsewhere.

They don't because enrollment and exposure would plummet. and they know it. So instead of getting rid of it, or going all in and getting behind it, they do just enough to be mediocre. And we sit in this perpetual state of half assery...

However to a point made earlier, Baker built this department up after RV laid the foundation. Build it up into a little kingdom, get unimpressive people in to run it, build the resume and an AD can use it to move on. As uninspiring a job as our current AD is doing, he will more than likely use it to move on to a bigger job. 

Quite a scam they have going on over on Bonnie Brae...

 

And the kids that are doing the real work and put together a great season get to go to Oklahoma to play the quarterfinals of the NIT and the die hard fans that support them can suck it and watch on TV.

Edited 5 hours ago by TheColonyEagle

[Ross Hodgeson]

Students are upset about it as well evidently

 

[Mean Green 93-98]

15 hours ago, Cougar King said:

When Renu Khator left USF to become President of UH and Chancellor of the UH System, one of first things she said was "Athletics are the front porch of the university."

 

 

Keller should learn from her.

Former UNT President Gretchen Bataille used the exact same phrase about 20 years ago.  Yet she ended up being the driving force behind the hiring of Todd Dodge and Shanice Stephens.

Pretty much every modern college president knows the importance of athletics, but that doesn't mean they are capable of making decisions that will advance their institution's athletics.