PAC soon on the Prowl again for more Football members...

rcade · March 4

I'm filing suit against @SMU2006 because his comment damaged my vision. I will use the money I'm awarded to fund UNT baseball.

NM Green · March 4

Clemson, Florida State and North Carolina: just send us one big beautiful fee.
ACC: get Tulane South Florida and Rice on the phone.

It’s happening. Just keep winning Mean Green and we are golden.

GMG

Edited March 4 by NM Green

SMU2006 · March 4

7 hours ago, NM Green said:

Clemson, Florida State and North Carolina: just send us one big beautiful fee.
ACC: get Tulane South Florida and Rice on the phone.

It’s happening. Just keep winning Mean Green and we are golden.

GMG

lol. It isn't gonna be Rice. Tulane and USF are intriguing, however.

SMU2006 · March 4

11 hours ago, NT80 said:

Sources told ESPN that there'd just be one number to exit the league, not the combination of a traditional exit fee and the loss of media from the grant of rights.

"sources". Gee I wonder if they were from Tallahassee FL or Clemson SC?!

GOR is absolutely the lynchpin. I'm sure FSU/Clemson will argue otherwise but we'll see ya in court again in 2030 if that's the case.

cousin oliver · March 4

4 hours ago, SMU2006 said:

"sources". Gee I wonder if they were from Tallahassee FL or Clemson SC?!

GOR is absolutely the lynchpin. I'm sure FSU/Clemson will argue otherwise but we'll see ya in court again in 2030 if that's the case.

It does appear that they plan to take it to court. I do not think an extended courtroom fight benefits anyone. They will ultimately settle.

NT80 · March 4

5 hours ago, SMU2006 said:

"sources". Gee I wonder if they were from Tallahassee FL or Clemson SC?!

GOR is absolutely the lynchpin. I'm sure FSU/Clemson will argue otherwise but we'll see ya in court again in 2030 if that's the case.

"The specific financial figures for schools to get released from the grant of rights were not readily available. But the total cost to exit the league after the 2029-30 season is expected to drop below $100 million, sources said.“

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/44093338/sources-fsu-clemson-expected-reach-settlement-acc

MrAlien · March 4

5 hours ago, SMU2006 said:

lol. It isn't gonna be Rice. Tulane and USF are intriguing, however.

Why not Rice? Private school in a large city with a rich history in college sports. Rice would fit with a lot of the other private schools in that conference. Sure they haven't been great at sports of late, however they could turn it around if they wanted to.

greenminer · March 4

45 minutes ago, MrAlien said:

Why not Rice? Private school in a large city with a rich history in college sports. Rice would fit with a lot of the other private schools in that conference. Sure they haven't been great at sports of late, however they could turn it around if they wanted to.

Rice has demonstrated over and over again that they will never commit to "wanting" to. They are fine with who they are: stumbling into a championship once ever decade or so.

NT80 · March 4

2 hours ago, greenminer said:

Rice has demonstrated over and over again that they will never commit to "wanting" to. They are fine with who they are: stumbling into a championship once ever decade or so.

I've been very disappointed with Rice in both CUSA and the AAC.

They were once a National Power in the 1950's. It's the reason they built their massive 72,000 seat stadium...they used to have crowds to fill it. Now, they are milk toast. Barely competitive in anything...but they do have baseball...so props for that!

NT80 · March 4

9 hours ago, SMU2006 said:

"sources". Gee I wonder if they were from Tallahassee FL or Clemson SC?!

GOR is absolutely the lynchpin. I'm sure FSU/Clemson will argue otherwise but we'll see ya in court again in 2030 if that's the case.

Settlement is done and signed today by all parties.

Here is the good part....

"Both schools filed lawsuits against the ACC in their home states challenging the grant of rights agreement, that, according to Florida State's attorneys, could have meant paying as much as $700 million to leave the conference. The ACC sued both schools to preserve the grant of rights agreement through 2036.

As a result of the settlement, the penalty to leave the conference has been significantly reduced. The grant of rights remains in place through 2036, but beginning next year, the exit fee will be $165 million. That fee then declines by $18 million per year, leveling at $75 million in 2030-31. Any team that pays the exit fee can leave with its media rights intact."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/44108761/acc-florida-state-clemson-reach-revenue-distribution-settlement

UNTLifer · March 5

21 hours ago, NT80 said:

...but they do have baseball...so props for that!

They haven't had a winning season in baseball since 2017.

greenminer · March 6

10 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

They haven't had a winning season in baseball since 2017.

BUT THEY HAVE IT.

rcade · March 6

The settlement between the ACC, FSU and Clemson pushes the problem to 2030, when new TV deals for the Big Ten, Big 12 and College Football Playoff could mean enough money for buying an exit.

It also gives the ACC five years to show it can pay its top programs enough money to be worth staying. For FSU this means they need Mike Norvell 2023 not Mike Norvell 2024. Those guys are nothing alike.

UNTLifer · March 6

10 hours ago, greenminer said:

BUT THEY HAVE IT.

And are now "barely competitive" like their other programs. I read your original statement to mean they barely get by with most programs, but they have a good baseball program.

greenminer · March 6

5 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

And are now "barely competitive" like their other programs. I read your original statement to mean they barely get by with most programs, but they have a good baseball program.

It was sarcasm lol

UNTLifer · March 6

4 minutes ago, greenminer said:

It was sarcasm lol

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NT80 · 2025-04-03T04:00:39Z

Interesting post in the PAC expansion/forum thread today from a TXST fan. Anyone else know about this...?

1 hour ago, JimboF said:

I was reading a new Reddit thread today regarding chatter from out west concerning UNT reportedly having a group of wealthy donors ready to cover the AAC exit fees if/when UNT joins the Pac. If so, we'd likely see UNT and Texas State both going to the Pac, perhaps with Saint Mary's also joining for non-football sports. Now I'm even more intrigued!

greenminer · 2025-04-03T05:03:14Z

1 hour ago, NT80 said:

Interesting post in the PAC expansion/forum thread today from a TXST fan. Anyone else know about this...?

1 hour ago, JimboF said:

I was reading a new Reddit thread today regarding chatter from out west concerning UNT reportedly having a group of wealthy donors ready to cover the AAC exit fees if/when UNT joins the Pac. If so, we'd likely see UNT and Texas State both going to the Pac, perhaps with Saint Mary's also joining for non-football sports. Now I'm even more intrigued!

Looks like these postings are from 3 months ago? I don't feel certain because I rarely go to Reddit.

Also this is a reminder of how some people feel about the commuter aspect.

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North Texas is a commuter college. 82% of the student body lives off campus.

It would probably be the 7th or 8th most watched CFB team in DFW, if not lower placed than that. So it’s hard to see what they give the Pac-12 in terms of sorely needed media value. But if they make reduced shares in the AAC already, that should tell you something.

Edited yesterday at 05:07 AM by greenminer

GMG_Dallas · 2025-04-03T11:17:16Z

5 hours ago, greenminer said:

Also this is a reminder of how some people feel about the commuter aspect.

Really just shows a misunderstanding of what a commuter is. Living in an apartment half a mile from campus doesn't make you a commuter even though you're not on campus. 82% of our students living off campus is no different than many other schools.

CMJ · 2025-04-03T13:02:10Z

Yeah, I walked to class at NT, but since my apartment was about three blocks off campus I was probably listed as a commuter.

Green Lantern · 2025-04-03T13:21:28Z

1 hour ago, GMG_Dallas said:

Really just shows a misunderstanding of what a commuter is. Living in an apartment half a mile from campus doesn't make you a commuter even though you're not on campus. 82% of our students living off campus is no different than many other schools.

Many years ago there was data suggesting that something like 23,000 students attending UNT live within 10 minutes of campus (source “trust me bro but I’m way to lazy to look this up”) That was before the explosion of new student housing and new apts in Denton the last 5 years or so. In no world is that a “commuter” school. It hasn’t been in 10+ years.

keith · 2025-04-03T14:10:32Z

On 4/3/2025 at 7:17 AM, GMG_Dallas said:

Really just shows a misunderstanding of what a commuter is. Living in an apartment half a mile from campus doesn't make you a commuter even though you're not on campus. 82% of our students living off campus is no different than many other schools.

Just some rough numbers...I didn't do a whole lot of research on this just some cursory web searches.

The University of Texas enrolls 50,000+ students. They have 7,000 beds on campus in 14 residence halls. They have another 1,900 beds off-campus in university-owned apartments. So, 7,000/50,000 = 14% live on campus in residence halls and 86% live "off-campus."

The University of North Texas enrolls around 47,000 students. We have 5,620 beds on campus in 15 residence halls. So, 5,620/47,000 = 12% live on campus in residence halls and 88% live "off-campus."

EDIT: Updated information from UNT fact book for the fall of 2024.

Total enrollment, 46,180 and 6,425 beds for 6,425/46,180 = 14% live on campus in residence halls. This matches the on-campus housing % for UT.

Does anyone consider UT a commuter school?

The general story (for us, UT and other universities growing in enrollment) is that demand for on-campus housing far exceeds the supply. If we want to build a new basketball arena, make it a multi-function facility (classrooms and housing - like Ohio State did with its football stadium).

Edited 4 hours ago by keith

untjim1995 · 2025-04-03T14:48:45Z

Canzano: Next Pac-12 expansion bite getting a little clarity

Probably the journalist with the most connections out west is John Canzano. For those of you, like me, who think this Pac idea would be great for us and Texas State to do together, well, as usual, you'll come to realize that you want this more than the university does. You cannot want more for a university as a fan than its leadership wants...

keith · 2025-04-03T15:13:41Z

21 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

Canzano: Next Pac-12 expansion bite getting a little clarity

Probably the journalist with the most connections out west is John Canzano. For those of you, like me, who think this Pac idea would be great for us and Texas State to do together, well, as usual, you'll come to realize that you want this more than the university does. You cannot want more for a university as a fan than its leadership wants...

It sounds like our leadership is just curled up in a fetal position in the corner waiting for everything to go away.