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NorthTexasWeLove Grand Master

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Honestly, I'd significantly increase his incentives and leave base alone. 

The thing here is that he got left at the alter last season and had to rebuild almost the whole thing. He went heavy seniors. That's concerning. Just because he did an entire rebuild once with the portal doesn't mean that's an efficient and consistent business model. Because I don't believe it is. I think you can patchwork with 1 year guys, but the nucleus has to be 2 year guys in hopes to run it back while patchworking with 1 year guys again. 

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GrandGreen Grand Master

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NT should do what they can to retain both basketball coaches, however both coaches will leave at some point if they continue to excel.  

This is the future of any successful team not in a first tier conference.  

Enjoy the ride, it will not last long. 

 

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Travis Mentor

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2 hours ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Honestly, I'd significantly increase his incentives and leave base alone. 

The thing here is that he got left at the alter last season and had to rebuild almost the whole thing. He went heavy seniors. That's concerning. Just because he did an entire rebuild once with the portal doesn't mean that's an efficient and consistent business model. Because I don't believe it is. I think you can patchwork with 1 year guys, but the nucleus has to be 2 year guys in hopes to run it back while patchworking with 1 year guys again. 

Using the portal in this manner is something I would just assume he would be good at. You pretty much have to be ready to lose guys every one to two years as a juco coach and he was always good at reloading. If anything… this might play well into his experience. 

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2 hours ago, Cooley said:

He was rewarded with the job; without a search. Great job thus far but less than 2 years on the job is still risky. If he's hired away, we just have to find someone else willing to be paid $700k. We don't have the money to get crazy. I believe in heavy incentive-laden contracts to supplement the base. Different sport but Deion Sanders sells the house out and has brought much national attention to the program. His impact has paid for an increase/extension Our basketball attendance hasn't increased enough to support a meaningful increase. (yet)  

We do have the money to at least match what Mac got. It’s simple to me… all I know is I don’t forget what it was like before Hodge and Mac. And I don’t ever want to go back there. Hell I loved JJ but I don’t even want to go back to that either. I think he has more than proven what he brings to the table and I simply want to do what it takes to keep that here. 

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NT80 Grand Master

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9 hours ago, Travis said:

Using the portal in this manner is something I would just assume he would be good at. You pretty much have to be ready to lose guys every one to two years as a juco coach and he was always good at reloading. If anything… this might play well into his experience. 

He's mentioned this before.  He is well used to this roster environment.   Older coaches, however, that are used to having guys 3-4 years and developing a roster are struggling with full reloading.   Several have resigned.

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9 hours ago, Travis said:

Using the portal in this manner is something I would just assume he would be good at. You pretty much have to be ready to lose guys every one to two years as a juco coach and he was always good at reloading. If anything… this might play well into his experience. 

Sure. He seems to be doing well at it. But it's always shaky ground to walk on. What if we bump his base 30-40% and he hits a rut? 

Increase his incentives 30-40% and keep his base around the same. Full sharks don't eat. 

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Cooley Mentor

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9 hours ago, Travis said:

We do have the money to at least match what Mac got. It’s simple to me… all I know is I don’t forget what it was like before Hodge and Mac. And I don’t ever want to go back there. Hell I loved JJ but I don’t even want to go back to that either. I think he has more than proven what he brings to the table and I simply want to do what it takes to keep that here. 

Can't do that and won't. Why would you match McCasland and not bring in more asses?

Grant McCasland, the head men's basketball coach at Texas Tech University, is scheduled to make $3.9 million in the 2024-2025 season. This is an increase from the original $2.95 million figure. 
 
McCasland's salary increases by $100,000 each year.
CMJ Grand Master

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8 minutes ago, Cooley said:

Can't do that and won't. Why would you match McCasland and not bring in more asses?

Grant McCasland, the head men's basketball coach at Texas Tech University, is scheduled to make $3.9 million in the 2024-2025 season. This is an increase from the original $2.95 million figure. 
 
McCasland's salary increases by $100,000 each year.

Travis meant we should match what McCasland got while he was in Denton, not what he's getting at Texas Tech.

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NT80 Grand Master

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1 hour ago, CMJ said:

Travis meant we should match what McCasland got while he was in Denton, not what he's getting at Texas Tech.

But that still won't keep another Texas Tech type program from stealing him.   That is the whole point.  We can't pay enough to outbid power $$.  He has to want to stay here.   Have we heard that??

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Travis Mentor

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1 hour ago, Cooley said:

Can't do that and won't. Why would you match McCasland and not bring in more asses?

Grant McCasland, the head men's basketball coach at Texas Tech University, is scheduled to make $3.9 million in the 2024-2025 season. This is an increase from the original $2.95 million figure. 
 
McCasland's salary increases by $100,000 each year.

I meant what Mac was making here at unt. 

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17 minutes ago, NT80 said:

But that still won't keep another Texas Tech type program from stealing him.   That is the whole point.  We can't pay enough to outbid power $$.  He has to want to stay here.   Have we heard that??

It’s far more than just paying him to not be outbid by bigger programs. It’s about keeping him as long as possible and also making bigger schools pay even more to get him away. 
and it also helps prevent ‘like schools’ from also getting him.  Ala how we got Grant from ASU. 

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16 hours ago, BleedingGreen said:

Hodge and Burton are not just great strategists and recruiters but most importantly they are great leaders. I am impressed by how well the men’s team plays together and acts towards each other. Same for the women’s team .  You do that through culture and leadership from the head coach and assistants. Culture and leadership can’t be overstated for Burton and Hodge major strengths.

This is a big part of it. One of the post game interviews I think it was Tin that said this team is like a family and they all get along and have fun. That's not always the case when you have completely new faces. I would like to think this has to do with what Hodge fosters in these guys.

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The thing here is that he got left at the alter last season and had to rebuild almost the whole thing. He went heavy seniors. That's concerning. Just because he did an entire rebuild once with the portal doesn't mean that's an efficient and consistent business model. Because I don't believe it is. I think you can patchwork with 1 year guys, but the nucleus has to be 2 year guys in hopes to run it back while patchworking with 1 year guys again. 

 

I disagree with this. We have seen firsthand what team success will do to your roster in the NIL/Portal era. Hodge brought in guys that he thinks fit into the culture the program has. He has helped develop and raise the game of B Lorient and does anyone expect him to stay after the numbers he is putting up this year? I don't blame the player. I would love for him to stay but all of us know how things work. Just enjoy watching him playing for the Mean Green. Guys in their last year of eligibility want to play and be in a winning program. Hodge and UNT are providing that. That's why I think bringing in those seniors can work. Have to trust that Hodge can evaluate and make smart judgements on who to bring in. GMG!

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3 hours ago, Travis said:

It’s far more than just paying him to not be outbid by bigger programs. It’s about keeping him as long as possible and also making bigger schools pay even more to get him away. 
and it also helps prevent ‘like schools’ from also getting him.  Ala how we got Grant from ASU. 

Along with establishing a pay scale UNT is comfortable paying that at top of league. Inevitably when Ross does move on for 3-5 X what we can pay, we want high quality external candidates chomping at the bit to get here and sustain/build on our success. Talking quality like a Will Wade at McNeese or that ilk as your options. 

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57 minutes ago, Shark84 said:

The thing here is that he got left at the alter last season and had to rebuild almost the whole thing. He went heavy seniors. That's concerning. Just because he did an entire rebuild once with the portal doesn't mean that's an efficient and consistent business model. Because I don't believe it is. I think you can patchwork with 1 year guys, but the nucleus has to be 2 year guys in hopes to run it back while patchworking with 1 year guys again. 

 

I disagree with this. We have seen firsthand what team success will do to your roster in the NIL/Portal era. Hodge brought in guys that he thinks fit into the culture the program has. He has helped develop and raise the game of B Lorient and does anyone expect him to stay after the numbers he is putting up this year? I don't blame the player. I would love for him to stay but all of us know how things work. Just enjoy watching him playing for the Mean Green. Guys in their last year of eligibility want to play and be in a winning program. Hodge and UNT are providing that. That's why I think bringing in those seniors can work. Have to trust that Hodge can evaluate and make smart judgements on who to bring in. GMG!

You don't have to agree with it. Bringing in culture guys is a great strategy and works well in many ways. But sometimes, culture doesn't talent. And then problems arise. 

golfingomez Grand Master

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I understand that Hodge has done a lot before NT, but i think there is still a lot of 'new shine' on him to most. I think there are three hurdles he has to clear to have some major players enter the conversation:

1.) Postseason success - either the NIT (deep run), or NCAA

2.) Recruiting wins - I would think programs would want to see him pull in a name or two

3.) Selling the fanbase on hiring a coach playing ugly basketball - I don't see him being a flashy hire in the future.

 

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5 hours ago, golfingomez said:

3.) Selling the fanbase on hiring a coach playing ugly basketball - I don't see him being a flashy hire in the future.

 

When a power conference AD goes shopping for a new basketball coach he looks for:

#1) someone with a history of recruiting and winning (as Juco coach, as assistant, as HC)...

#2) someone with a history of recruiting and winning

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Something I'd like to see where we are in terms of pay in regards to where other teams are paying their coaches? Are we towards the top, in the middle, or (hopefully not) towards the bottom? I'd want us towards the top in base pay and maybe we could make some adjustments as some have suggested with bonuses that align with the program hitting certain milestones - wins per season, conference tournament championship, NCAA wins, other tournament berths/wins/championships, etc.

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