TX State to the PAC 2?

[UNTLifer]

Being reported on “X”. 

[Jonnyeagle]

Good for them!

[NorthTexasWeLove]

1 hour ago, UNTLifer said:

Being reported on “X”. 

Honestly terrible for UNT. They are going to be a 2-3 bid basketball league every single year. Yet again, opportunity missed. 

[GMG_Dallas]

8 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Honestly terrible for UNT. They are going to be a 2-3 bid basketball league every single year. Yet again, opportunity missed. 

Oh but west coast and travel and late nights or something. People are so short sighted. This is/was a huge opportunity for us to be proactive and take a small step up before being left behind since we know Memphis/Tulane want out of the AAC. Oh well. Can't say I'm surprised.

[NorthTexasWeLove]

Just now, GMG_Dallas said:

Oh but west coast and travel and late nights or something. People are so short sighted. This is/was a huge opportunity for us to be proactive and take a small step up before being left behind since we know Memphis/Tulane want out of the AAC. Oh well. Can't say I'm surprised.

If we didn't openly pursue, I am going to be very frustrated. I would like answers.

[UNTLifer]

The PAC ? will be just another "G" conference because they still have no media deal in place.  I question the stability of their future.

Regarding us, for those that want answers as to why we weren't proactive in going after membership in this conference, where do you suggest the report $27 million dollar AAC exit fee was going to come from?

[Wag Tag]

Just win!!!

[NM Green]

Yes, plant in the east with the Academies and emerging programs including JMU. Tulane and South Florida could be waiting on the ACC for another 5 years.

A silver lining is that this most likely blocks UTSA out of PAC movement should their new media deal be sweet. We’re attached to the Runners for now and I don’t mind because I don’t like.

Win some championships. Rock our basketball culture. Ready for the future earthquake that ultimately aligns us with Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, K State, Houston and more. 

I would love to compete against those PAC 12 basketball programs now, but future vision is critical too and I sense a regionalization coming down the line. Cut costs to pay more of the players you want. 

GMG

[NorthTexasWeLove]

36 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

The PAC ? will be just another "G" conference because they still have no media deal in place.  I question the stability of their future.

Regarding us, for those that want answers as to why we weren't proactive in going after membership in this conference, where do you suggest the report $27 million dollar AAC exit fee was going to come from?

27 million dollars? Sheesh. 

And the PAC will be as close to being a high major basketball conference without being a high major basketball conference as it gets. 

Gonzaga, SDSU, UtahSt, UNLV, Boise are all very good basketball programs. If we can't maintain the idea of geography, I would love to play basketball with them. 

[BillySee58]

3 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

Being reported on “X”. 

Reported by whom?

[GMG_Dallas]

48 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

The PAC ? will be just another "G" conference because they still have no media deal in place.  I question the stability of their future.

Regarding us, for those that want answers as to why we weren't proactive in going after membership in this conference, where do you suggest the report $27 million dollar AAC exit fee was going to come from?

Sometimes you have to spend a little to invest long-term. We know the next AAC deal won't be what the current one is, which we already don't get full credits of. Say a full PAC deal ends up being worth $10 million per year which has long been the low end of the rumor. The AAC currently pays out $7 million per year and we get a bit more than a half credit if I'm not mistaken so say $4 million per year. That PAC deal would already pay $6 million more.

Now factor in the NCAA basketball tournament credits which are $2 million per game. The new PAC as it is likely has 4-5 bids per year so more tourney credits than our 1-2 teams.

Seems pretty clear the $27 million would be paid off rather quickly.

Some may ask if their deal is that good, why wouldn't Tulane and Memphis want to go. Well, they believe they'll get an ACC invite when that crumbles so they have hope of their own Power-ish conference membership. We do not. They also currently get a full credit so the estimated deal isn't good enough to travel cross country and pay a $27 million buyout.

[GMG_Dallas]

2 minutes ago, BillySee58 said:

Reported by whom?

I think it's a rumor but I don't know what OP has read.

[DentonLurker]

4 minutes ago, BillySee58 said:

Reported by whom?

None of the accounts I would actually trust.

[Green Otaku]

22 minutes ago, GMG_Dallas said:

Sometimes you have to spend a little to invest long-term. We know the next AAC deal won't be what the current one is, which we already don't get full credits of. Say a full PAC deal ends up being worth $10 million per year which has long been the low end of the rumor. The AAC currently pays out $7 million per year and we get a bit more than a half credit if I'm not mistaken so say $4 million per year. That PAC deal would already pay $6 million more.

Now factor in the NCAA basketball tournament credits which are $2 million per game. The new PAC as it is likely has 4-5 bids per year so more tourney credits than our 1-2 teams.

Seems pretty clear the $27 million would be paid off rather quickly.

Some may ask if their deal is that good, why wouldn't Tulane and Memphis want to go. Well, they believe they'll get an ACC invite when that crumbles so they have hope of their own Power-ish conference membership. We do not. They also currently get a full credit so the estimated deal isn't good enough to travel cross country and pay a $27 million buyout.

 

It's been reported that the AAC deal will rise through the years so we would eventually get a full share.

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Conference USA schools currently receive less than $1 million annually in television revenue. The amount they will receive is still being finalized, but the television revenue will be more than $2 million at the start of the deal and rise significantly from there. Incumbent AAC members are still expected to average about $7 million annually over the course of the current ESPN television deal, which runs through 2031-32.

 

https://www.agent49.net/the-charlotte-49ers-are-american-athletic-conference-bound/

Assuming the AAC doesn't lose anyone, we would really need to weigh if paying the hefty exit fee and substantial travel would be worth it when we could be making close to $8M a year by the end of this deal.

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forgot the link

[UNTLifer]

52 minutes ago, BillySee58 said:

Reported by whom?

 

[MrAlien]

Good for TX State, thats going to be a very good conference, and they will probably have a leg up on regional recruiting over UTSA and UNT because of it.  It is interesting that they do not have at least one other regional school to go with them, just to make a trip to Texas worth it.

As soon as the ACC law suit is settled, the AAC will be raided, I dont see UNT getting an invite. 

[BillySee58]

1 hour ago, UNTLifer said:

 

It might happen but this is just an aggregator account.

[Jonnyeagle]

2 minutes ago, BillySee58 said:

It might happen but this is just an aggregator account.

I think you are correct Bill.  I smell some bullshit on this posting.

[NT80]

2 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

 

 

I don't see our AD being proactive enough to pursue PAC2 membership.   

Having another Texas school invited would be a plus.   

Where is PAC vs AAC on the food chain in 3 years?

[Matt from A700]

Since the AAC schools put out their "committed" graphics, there has been no real news. Just a bunch of Pac 12 fan accounts trying to stir the pot.

[GMG_Dallas]

3 hours ago, Green Otaku said:

 

It's been reported that the AAC deal will rise through the years so we would eventually get a full share.

https://www.agent49.net/the-charlotte-49ers-are-american-athletic-conference-bound/

Assuming the AAC doesn't lose anyone, we would really need to weigh if paying the hefty exit fee and substantial travel would be worth it when we could be making close to $8M a year by the end of this deal.

Guess it really depends on the PAC deal. I'd also read our share percentage will rise. If the PAC deal is good enough, that $27 million could still be close to paid off by the time 2031 comes around and I highly doubt the next AAC deal will be as good as this one unless a few programs make some big leaps.

 

39 minutes ago, NT80 said:

Where is PAC vs AAC on the food chain in 3 years?

This is the biggest question. If/when Memphis and Tulane get plucked, it'll be a no-brainer that the PAC would be better than the AAC. It's already better in basketball with Gonzaga, Utah State, Washington State, Oregon State, San Diego State, and Colorado State.

25 minutes ago, Matt from A700 said:

Since the AAC schools put out their "committed" graphics, there has been no real news. Just a bunch of Pac 12 fan accounts trying to stir the pot.

If I recall, the old PAC had done a bunch of "committed" crap days before it all crumbled. Everybody is committed until the money is good enough.

[Green Otaku]

1 hour ago, NT80 said:

 

I don't see our AD being proactive enough to pursue PAC2 membership.   

Having another Texas school invited would be a plus.   

Where is PAC vs AAC on the food chain in 3 years?

 

I think it's better to move in silence. SDSU completely embarrassed themselves when they left the MWC without having a PAC invite, only to come back to the conference. You don't air out your dirty laundry for the whole country to see. Good admins keep things tight lipped until something is ready to happen.

I don't have any inside sources, but I can guarantee you that Mosley and other ADs are talking to each other, trying to position themselves if the money is there for a move, and trying to gain favor with schools so that they would advocate that we go with them.

[meangreenfaninno]

Has Texas State passed us by?  

[Green Otaku]

51 minutes ago, GMG_Dallas said:

Guess it really depends on the PAC deal. I'd also read our share percentage will rise. If the PAC deal is good enough, that $27 million could still be close to paid off by the time 2031 comes around and I highly doubt the next AAC deal will be as good as this one unless a few programs make some big leaps.

Agree, everything will depend on the dollar amounts. $12M a team and I think we see some teams making the jump, personally I'm just not sure if they can get much more than what the AAC gets. If the AAC media deal does drop significantly in 2032 I would expect teams to move then, plus you would have no exit fees since you are in between contracts similar to how the Pac12 fell apart. We'll see soon enough who their media partner will be, and what kind of appetite they have for content.

[Green Otaku]

Just now, meangreenfaninno said:

Has Texas State passed us by?  

 

TxSt is at the right place, at the right time. Tulane and Memphis said no, UNLV and AFA got tied down to the MWC for extra money, it looks like the PAC doesn't want to bring up an FCS school, the AAC options come with a $27M exit fee hurdle. Who else is out there? NMSU? SHSU?

The PAC needs to have an 8th full member before July 1st 2026 to keep their FBS designation. They don't have time to wait for options. They need to get schedules, and media partners settled.  TxSt pays $5M to get out of the SBC, a very accessible number.