State of College Football

[DeepGreen]

State of College Football

ESPN article on what we are facing. Not good.  AAC Commissioner Pernetti comments.

Edited December 29, 2024 by DeepGreen

[TheColonyEagle]

"You don't have any time to develop players anymore," Kill said. "If he's good, he's going to leave. If he's not playing, he's going to leave. To build a team at this level, you've got two years."

 

 

[TheColonyEagle]

Good article...and just makes the future for G5s trying to fit into this new world that much more bleak. We talk about NIL but the scholarships increasing to 105 is another thing. Per the article, nearly 1400 new scholarships available at P4s. Last year 1/3 of the G5 to P4 transfers were all conference. 

This is suicide for G5s to try to stay in this world....

I don't understand why they can't replace these meaningless bowls which no one watches and no one attends with a playoff and national championship for our level. Surely ESPN would make more money off that than the "Frank's Car Wash" Bowl. The G5s just need to do it. And if the San Diego States of the world want to say "we don't care about G5, we care about the big playoff" then go for it and bankrupt your school trying to be at the cool kids table. 

[emmitt01]

1 hour ago, TheColonyEagle said:

This is suicide for G5s to try to stay in this world....

I don't understand why they can't replace these meaningless bowls which no one watches and no one attends with a playoff and national championship for our level. 

Because the ever present lie of “we could be next” keeps G5 athletic directors, coaches, and fan bases docile.  Keep the system just shy of outright exclusion of G5 programs and you can slowly strip away access while claiming that wasn’t the plan all along.  
 

It’s why the Power Ball lottery is so popular.  Even though the chances of winning are exponentially small for everyone (the G5 programs), everyone will point to that one lady in a far off trailer park (Boise) who hit it big!  

Edited December 29, 2024 by emmitt01

[GMG_Dallas]

Surrendering ourselves to a G5 playoff would be disastrous. It would give the P4 all the ammo they need to effectively remove the automatic bid for the highest ranked G5 champ.

The correct solution, in today's environment, is to maintain the automatic G5 bid for the main playoffs and have a mixed G5/P4 NIT style tournament as Pernetti suggested. Don't take, add.

Wouldn't be a bad idea to allocate future "NIT" and playoff spots per conference based on their previous performances. They do this in Europe for their European tournaments. Each league gets a coefficient rating based on the previous 5 years performance in European competitions. Not performing? You lose spots. Performing? You gain spots. So you know, the ACC going 1-9 so far, the Big12 going 2-7 back in 2022, the SEC going 6-8 and ACC going 2-4 both in 2021 would have some affect on that rating and future potential spots in the playoffs and NIT. No reason the ACC should get 2 spots next year considering this year's playoffs. The rating would just ensure transparency. 

[NT80]

14 hours ago, TheColonyEagle said:

I don't understand why they can't replace these meaningless bowls which no one watches and no one attends with a playoff and national championship for our level. Surely ESPN would make more money off that than the "Frank's Car Wash" Bowl. The G5s just need to do it. And if the San Diego States of the world want to say "we don't care about G5, we care about the big playoff" then go for it and bankrupt your school trying to be at the cool kids table. 

No.  Few people watch the FCS playoffs.  Nobody would watch a G5 playoff either. 

[greenminer]

18 minutes ago, NT80 said:

No.  Few people watch the FCS playoffs.  Nobody would watch a G5 playoff either. 

yet, some of these FCS powers average > 90% capacity at home.  A few even at > 100%!

I don't know what that would be like financially: would we even need to worry about TV viewership if we were selling out Apogee on the regular?

[UNTLifer]

2 hours ago, greenminer said:

yet, some of these FCS powers average > 90% capacity at home.  A few even at > 100%!

I don't know what that would be like financially: would we even need to worry about TV viewership if we were selling out Apogee on the regular?

You have to consider many of these are the only entertainment option in town. Fargo, ND vs Denton. The entire state of ND follows the Bison. 

[NorthTexasWeLove]

On 12/29/2024 at 7:26 AM, DeepGreen said:

State of College Football

ESPN article on what we are facing. Not good.  AAC Commissioner Pernetti comments.

Yuuup. The only thing I have to say about this and have been saying about it is.... basketball. 

[rcade]

9 hours ago, greenminer said:

I don't know what that would be like financially: would we even need to worry about TV viewership if we were selling out Apogee on the regular?

We will always have to worry about TV viewership. TV dollars are the big divider between the haves and the have-nots.

[rcade]

6 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

You have to consider many of these are the only entertainment option in town. Fargo, ND vs Denton. The entire state of ND follows the Bison. 

True, but the entire North Dakota population is 783,000, which is smaller than Fort Worth. Put a strong football team in Denton and we'll have advantages from being in DFW that are better than being the top school in a small state.

[greenminer]

11 minutes ago, rcade said:

We will always have to worry about TV viewership. TV dollars are the big divider between the haves and the have-nots.

That’s been the case at FBS…but FCS too?

[NT80]

11 hours ago, greenminer said:

yet, some of these FCS powers average > 90% capacity at home.  A few even at > 100%!

I don't know what that would be like financially: would we even need to worry about TV viewership if we were selling out Apogee on the regular?

What else is there to do in the Dakotas and Montana?

[NT80]

2 hours ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Yuuup. The only thing I have to say about this and have been saying about it is.... basketball. 

All you have to do is look at UTA for that model = Basketball in DFW with no Football.

[BigWillie]

5 minutes ago, NT80 said:

All you have to do is look at UTA for that model = Basketball in DFW with no Football.

To be fair, and not doing a lot of research, I don't think UTA's basketball team has been half as successful as ours has in the last 5 years.

[LongJim]

8 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

The entire state of ND follows the Bison. 

Been true for centuries. 

[NT80]

18 minutes ago, BigWillie said:

To be fair, and not doing a lot of research, I don't think UTA's basketball team has been half as successful as ours has in the last 5 years.

They haven't.  I don't think it would have mattered, they will never be Gonzaga in their school support.   New arena, same minimal basketball crowd.  But they are off the media radar totally as a school during football season.   

[NorthTexasWeLove]

34 minutes ago, NT80 said:

All you have to do is look at UTA for that model = Basketball in DFW with no Football.

Point to where I said no football....

[TheColonyEagle]

On 12/29/2024 at 12:10 PM, GMG_Dallas said:

Surrendering ourselves to a G5 playoff would be disastrous. It would give the P4 all the ammo they need to effectively remove the automatic bid for the highest ranked G5 champ.

 

Pretty sure the auto bid is going to go away after 2026 anyway.

[TheColonyEagle]

12 hours ago, NT80 said:

No.  Few people watch the FCS playoffs.  Nobody would watch a G5 playoff either. 

No one watches the Bowl game either....yet there they are.

Given the numbers in the G5s and the markets we're in, I would think more eyeballs would be available for a G5 playoff vs FCS. 

[NT80]

58 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Point to where I said no football....

"Yuuup. The only thing I have to say about this and have been saying about it is.... basketball."

It implies to me that you are advocating for basketball as "the sport" at UNT.  That either means defunding football or dropping down or eliminating it...which really is all the same.

Basketball at UNT is good now, but we are only a coaching change or injuries/transfers away from it being not good.  

[NT80]

15 minutes ago, TheColonyEagle said:

No one watches the Bowl game either....yet there they are.

Given the numbers in the G5s and the markets we're in, I would think more eyeballs would be available for a G5 playoff vs FCS. 

If you had DII/III, FCS, G5 and P4 playoffs all going on at the same time, sports media and ESPN would be all about the P4 playoffs....just like they are now for the CFP.   I'm already sick of the hype for it and the blandness of it.

[wardly]

I think in 2026 the D1 football schools can add up to another 20 more scholarships. That might be a good time for the P6 programs to consider their lot in life. With about a 23% increase in scholarship costs plus NIL plus Transfer Portal whats an underfunded  middle of the road program like UNT to do?

[BigWillie]

1 hour ago, NT80 said:

"Yuuup. The only thing I have to say about this and have been saying about it is.... basketball."

It implies to me that you are advocating for basketball as "the sport" at UNT.  That either means defunding football or dropping down or eliminating it...which really is all the same.

Basketball at UNT is good now, but we are only a coaching change or injuries/transfers away from it being not good.  

I think that's his point. If you put more money into basketball, i.e. NIL, you attract better coaching/talent.

It just seems it might be a better ROI when you have 5-7 players you have to pay versus the numerous ones you would have to pay in football.

[greenminer]

3 hours ago, NT80 said:

What else is there to do in the Dakotas and Montana?

I get it,  but our attendance has seen some good bumps when we put together a series of wins followed by a good opponent.

And we all see how basketball is doing and yet people fail to show.  This attendance stuff has been danced around the forums before - a lot.  I'll say this, I speculate that this Texas market still craves a good football program first, before MBB.