Another NIL Coaching Casualty

[GMG_Dallas]

14 minutes ago, meaniegreenie said:

It will take some time for the fans of these schools to adjust to losing a few games a year when they're in the new "P2" consisting of maybe 40 teams max.

However, filling an average 80k stadium for maybe 20 games/wk is only about 1.5M people demanding tickets for each week's game.  Out of over 300M people, I suspect they can still keep filling the stands, other than the few days of "dud" games or bad weather. 

Now, I'm not sure about TV ratings, but there's so many T-shirt fans of these top 40 schools that I think they'll still watch.

I hope this greed and the extreme powering of the top few schools ends up biting them in the a$$, but I'm afraid they'll be successful.  I don't mind them breaking away, I just wish they'd be forced to give up any relation to the school.  Go create a stand-alone semi-pro league independent of the universities.

I haven't followed pro sports in decades, but my quick check shows the Cowboys have been varying between 6-9 and 13-3 for the past 20 years with minimal playoff success but from what I hear, they have plenty of demand for tickets, even when they suck.  I realize they are a somewhat special team, but then again, so are these P2 teams, so I think the comparison is reasonably legit.

80,000 fans aren't necessarily the ones footing the bill for NIL, though. The issue with this current model is nobody could go to the games and nobody could watch on TV but player salaries would still be funded by big money boosters. There's no correlation between a team's revenue, or the sport's revenue as a whole, and player salaries/NIL deals.

The NFL doesn't work this way. When overall viewership goes up, media deals gain value which increases media distribution to the franchises and raises salary caps with it when new media deals are signed. NFL teams are required to spend 89% of the salary cap over a 4 year span or pay the difference to their players because that money comes from media deals. The teams make most of their money from ticket sales, merchandise sales, and such but those don't pay salaries like they might in the MLB or even NBA which allows for a luxury tax when exceeding the salary cap.

For the NCAA to follow a similar model where wins and losses don't matter to "school" salary pools (insane to type), you'd need an NCAA-wide media deal that pays all schools the same and a salary cap that is the same across the board determined by that media deal. I doubt it'll ever happen. We'd be right back at boosters paying players under the table. It's going to have to start with boosters getting spending fatigue to spark change.

[NT93]

3 hours ago, GMG24 said:

You don't have to, but the reality is that is where this is headed. 

But until it gets there we should probably tap the brakes on the comparisons between college coaches and players.

[NT80]

2 hours ago, GMG_Dallas said:

80,000 fans aren't necessarily the ones footing the bill for NIL, though. The issue with this current model is nobody could go to the games and nobody could watch on TV but player salaries would still be funded by big money boosters. There's no correlation between a team's revenue, or the sport's revenue as a whole, and player salaries/NIL deals.

I will never be for paying Amateur athletes a salary.   Next, NIL will move toward all college athletes...then cheerleaders, band, choir, actors, student congress, etc.  Then down to High School level students wanting paid to play/perform.  Where does it end? 

[DentonLurker]

3 hours ago, NT93 said:

But until it gets there

It’s there

[DentonLurker]

3 hours ago, NT80 said:

NIL will move toward all college athletes...then cheerleaders, band, choir, actors, student congress, etc.  Then down to High School level students wanting paid to play/perform.  Where does it end?

It ends where fans and alumni aren’t willing to pay anymore. It will happen sooner down the food chain at some schools than others.

[UNTLifer]

12 hours ago, GMG24 said:

He didn't have a problem in 2011 leaving little ole George Mason after guiding them to NCAA tourney for a bigger payday for Miami.  I can't stand talking out of both sides of ones mouth.

Then let’s pay all students because professors leave one university for another when offered a higher paying gig. College is preparation for the remainder of your life whether that be a professional career or one in pro sports. They get a laundry list of things in exchange for playing at the university they choose. 
All this is not foreshadowing for when they become true pro athletes. When things don’t go their way, they will sit out and demand to be traded instead of working hard and improving. 

[Salsa_Verde]

Big money donors are going to get tired of throwing money away at players that aren’t going to stick around. 

[UNTLifer]

Just now, Salsa_Verde said:

Big money donors are going to get tired of throwing money away at players that aren’t going to stick around. 

I hope you are right, but there is a long list of DA’s from schools like SMU that don’t care as long as it buys them a chair at the adult table. 

[NT80]

2 minutes ago, Salsa_Verde said:

Big money donors are going to get tired of throwing money away at players that aren’t going to stick around. 

Yes, does anyone think the big donors at OU and USC are happy paying NIL million$ for elite athletes and mega-$$ coaches for 6-6?   The faster the money river dries up the faster this all changes.

[meaniegreenie]

6 hours ago, GMG_Dallas said:

80,000 fans aren't necessarily the ones footing the bill for NIL, though. The issue with this current model is nobody could go to the games and nobody could watch on TV but player salaries would still be funded by big money boosters. There's no correlation between a team's revenue, or the sport's revenue as a whole, and player salaries/NIL deals.

The NFL doesn't work this way. When overall viewership goes up, media deals gain value which increases media distribution to the franchises and raises salary caps with it when new media deals are signed. NFL teams are required to spend 89% of the salary cap over a 4 year span or pay the difference to their players because that money comes from media deals. The teams make most of their money from ticket sales, merchandise sales, and such but those don't pay salaries like they might in the MLB or even NBA which allows for a luxury tax when exceeding the salary cap.

For the NCAA to follow a similar model where wins and losses don't matter to "school" salary pools (insane to type), you'd need an NCAA-wide media deal that pays all schools the same and a salary cap that is the same across the board determined by that media deal. I doubt it'll ever happen. We'd be right back at boosters paying players under the table. It's going to have to start with boosters getting spending fatigue to spark change.

My only point was to say there's still going to be interest in these teams even when they start getting losses due to playing only themselves. That's why I think the boosters won't get the spending fatigue and will continue pumping in NIL which is already essentially paying the players under a slightly more transparent table.

[meaniegreenie]

26 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

I hope you are right, but there is a long list of DA’s from schools like SMU that don’t care as long as it buys them a chair at the adult table. 

Exactly.  It's like the people in the suites at NFL games.  Many of those are owned by businesses that are simply there to have fun.  The game result may not matter all that much to them.  Eventually, they may tire, but it will take time and I think other events will change the model long before that happens.

But, once again, if it does end up pissing them off and they take their money and go home, all the better.

[GMG_Dallas]

6 hours ago, meaniegreenie said:

My only point was to say there's still going to be interest in these teams even when they start getting losses due to playing only themselves. That's why I think the boosters won't get the spending fatigue and will continue pumping in NIL which is already essentially paying the players under a slightly more transparent table.

Understood. Time will tell. I'm just hopeful things change. I don't necessarily care for things to be the way they were either but for the sake of college sports as a whole, things have to change. There is no future with this current system.