Another NIL Coaching Casualty

[GMG_Dallas]

Please move if needed, posting here as it's related to NIL and is probably more applicable to football than basketball.

Miami basketball head coach is resigning. The following are quotes that should be of concern to any fan but especially some of your blue blood programs. What happens when you can no longer outspend your peers so your legendary coaches leave? Saban was the most name worthy retirement but there's been plenty others and here's another big name leaving. NIL will be reeled in when the big money boosters lose their favorite coaches, no longer see the wins on their records, and see they can no longer just money-whip their way to success.

From the Miami Herald:

“At this point, after 53 years, I just didn’t feel that I could successfully navigate this whole new world that I was dealing with because my conversations were ridiculous with an agent saying to me, `Well, you can get involved [with a prospective player] if you’re willing to go to $1.1 million, and that would be the norm.”

...

“What shocked me beyond belief was after we made the Final Four just 18 months ago, the very first time I met with the players, eight of them decided they were going to put their names in the portal and leave.

“I said, `Don’t you like it here?’ They’d say, `I love Miami, it’s great.’ But the opportunity to make money someplace else created a situation that you have to begin to ask yourself, as a coach, what is this all about?’’

He added that he tried “every which way” to make things work, but “last year was a disaster”, and this year was not going well, either. He felt the new players were not buying in as transfers had in years prior."

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/acc/university-of-miami/article297597538.html

[Wag Tag]

Like I said before. To hell with coaches, facility or tradition! Show me the $$$.

[NT80]

3 hours ago, GMG_Dallas said:

Please move if needed, posting here as it's related to NIL and is probably more applicable to football than basketball.

Miami basketball head coach is resigning. The following are quotes that should be of concern to any fan but especially some of your blue blood programs. What happens when you can no longer outspend your peers so your legendary coaches leave? Saban was the most name worthy retirement but there's been plenty others and here's another big name leaving. NIL will be reeled in when the big money boosters lose their favorite coaches, no longer see the wins on their records, and see they can no longer just money-whip their way to success.

From the Miami Herald:

“At this point, after 53 years, I just didn’t feel that I could successfully navigate this whole new world that I was dealing with because my conversations were ridiculous with an agent saying to me, `Well, you can get involved [with a prospective player] if you’re willing to go to $1.1 million, and that would be the norm.”

...

“What shocked me beyond belief was after we made the Final Four just 18 months ago, the very first time I met with the players, eight of them decided they were going to put their names in the portal and leave.

“I said, `Don’t you like it here?’ They’d say, `I love Miami, it’s great.’ But the opportunity to make money someplace else created a situation that you have to begin to ask yourself, as a coach, what is this all about?’’

He added that he tried “every which way” to make things work, but “last year was a disaster”, and this year was not going well, either. He felt the new players were not buying in as transfers had in years prior."

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/acc/university-of-miami/article297597538.html

I totally agree with him.   It's stupid.   

I can't wait until the Athletic Departments take over NIL and the player salaries are finally published.   I hope the rising player costs collapses the entire college upper crust!

[DeepGreen]

I’ve really soured on college athletics.  It’s not fun anymore for me.

[Tommy Gadberry]

12 hours ago, GMG_Dallas said:

Please move if needed, posting here as it's related to NIL and is probably more applicable to football than basketball.

Miami basketball head coach is resigning. The following are quotes that should be of concern to any fan but especially some of your blue blood programs. What happens when you can no longer outspend your peers so your legendary coaches leave? Saban was the most name worthy retirement but there's been plenty others and here's another big name leaving. NIL will be reeled in when the big money boosters lose their favorite coaches, no longer see the wins on their records, and see they can no longer just money-whip their way to success.

From the Miami Herald:

“At this point, after 53 years, I just didn’t feel that I could successfully navigate this whole new world that I was dealing with because my conversations were ridiculous with an agent saying to me, `Well, you can get involved [with a prospective player] if you’re willing to go to $1.1 million, and that would be the norm.”

...

“What shocked me beyond belief was after we made the Final Four just 18 months ago, the very first time I met with the players, eight of them decided they were going to put their names in the portal and leave.

“I said, `Don’t you like it here?’ They’d say, `I love Miami, it’s great.’ But the opportunity to make money someplace else created a situation that you have to begin to ask yourself, as a coach, what is this all about?’’

He added that he tried “every which way” to make things work, but “last year was a disaster”, and this year was not going well, either. He felt the new players were not buying in as transfers had in years prior."

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/acc/university-of-miami/article297597538.html

Very sad indeed

[CMJ]

I always really liked Coach Larranaga going back to his George Mason days.  Sad to see him go, but I completely understand.  Coaching has gotta be ulcer inducing enough without having to worry about this.

Edited 3 hours ago by CMJ

[Cougar King]

He's not resigning because of NIL, that's a cop out.

 

He had a losing record last year despite having most of his Final Four team back. Miami is struggling again this year and his seat is hot.

 

This is a retire or get fired move.

Edited 3 hours ago by Cougar King

[MeanGreenZen]

No one should feel sorry for Miami about NIL. In fact, no one should feel sorry for Miami pre-NIL. Besides SMU and Alabama, no school probably cheated more than Miami. 

Edited 4 hours ago by MeanGreenZen

[GMG_Dallas]

23 minutes ago, MeanGreenZen said:

No one should feel sorry for Miami about NIL. In fact, no one should feel sorry for Miami pre-NIL. Besides SMU and Alabama, no school probably cheated more than Miami. 

I don't feel sorry for them. I'm just taking inventory of the landscape. If schools like Miami, Alabama, and Texas find this new era isn't as easy to win in as they thought, we might get some positive change for the sport in the form of salary caps and maybe even a legit pro sports transfer system where you have to pay the other school a release clause to snatch a player. 

[DallasGreen]

How long before players unionize if this happens? If they are employees how about benefits i.e. 401(K), group insurance, group life or annuities ( opps forgot SMU HAD ALREADY CORNERED THAT ONE 40 years ago), incentive bonuses, already have paid gym memberships and education expenses paid for them, group disability, and umbrella liability if sued.

 

Most any employee would like these benefits until it came time for performance reviews that deal with salary and bonus. If this sham continues D-1 drops to 50 members and  group of 5 say goodby to athletics and Denton can then get all the horn tooters it desires.😀😀😀

[CMJ]

1 hour ago, Cougar King said:

He's not resigning because of NIL, that's a cop out.

 

He had a losing record last year despite having most of his Final Four team back. Miami is struggling again this year and his seat is hot.

 

This is a retire or get fired move.

He wasn't getting fired and Miami had eight players leave after the F4 run.  Not sure what universe that constitutes most of his squad coming back.

 

A few years prior to his Final Four run Larranaga had three straight losing seasons but the administration stuck by him and were rewarded with their first ever F4.  I'm not saying he had an infinitely long leash, but he had probably at least another season before he would have been asked to leave.

Edited 3 hours ago by CMJ

[GMG24]

16 hours ago, GMG_Dallas said:

Please move if needed, posting here as it's related to NIL and is probably more applicable to football than basketball.

Miami basketball head coach is resigning. The following are quotes that should be of concern to any fan but especially some of your blue blood programs. What happens when you can no longer outspend your peers so your legendary coaches leave? Saban was the most name worthy retirement but there's been plenty others and here's another big name leaving. NIL will be reeled in when the big money boosters lose their favorite coaches, no longer see the wins on their records, and see they can no longer just money-whip their way to success.

From the Miami Herald:

“At this point, after 53 years, I just didn’t feel that I could successfully navigate this whole new world that I was dealing with because my conversations were ridiculous with an agent saying to me, `Well, you can get involved [with a prospective player] if you’re willing to go to $1.1 million, and that would be the norm.”

...

“What shocked me beyond belief was after we made the Final Four just 18 months ago, the very first time I met with the players, eight of them decided they were going to put their names in the portal and leave.

“I said, `Don’t you like it here?’ They’d say, `I love Miami, it’s great.’ But the opportunity to make money someplace else created a situation that you have to begin to ask yourself, as a coach, what is this all about?’’

He added that he tried “every which way” to make things work, but “last year was a disaster”, and this year was not going well, either. He felt the new players were not buying in as transfers had in years prior."

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/acc/university-of-miami/article297597538.html

He didn't have a problem in 2011 leaving little ole George Mason after guiding them to NCAA tourney for a bigger payday for Miami.  I can't stand talking out of both sides of ones mouth.

[emmitt01]

This doesn't make me sad at all, nor does it bring me any joy.   I'm more like Thanos looking at the NCAA universe and knowing that the rebalancing of the scales is inevitable once enough of the "big boys" feel the pinch of the system they created.  

[CMJ]

10 minutes ago, GMG24 said:

He didn't have a problem in 2011 leaving little ole George Mason after guiding them to NCAA tourney for a bigger payday for Miami.  I can't stand talking out of both sides of ones mouth.

To be fair after the F4 run in 2006, several schools tried hiring him away for a few years and he refused.  It was beginning to look like he may end up staying at GMU for his entire career until Miami finally lured him away.  

[GMG24]

6 minutes ago, CMJ said:

To be fair after the F4 run in 2006, several schools tried hiring him away for a few years and he refused.  It was beginning to look like he may end up staying at GMU for his entire career until Miami finally lured him away.  

I know, just wish Coaches would quit with the blaming of players trying to go get $$ when they would do the same thing in a heartbeat for a bigger payday.  

[CMJ]

At least for Larranaga it wasn't just the payday otherwise he would have left a few years earlier.  Hell even Providence from the Big East apparently offered him their job and Larranaga turned them down (that's his alma mater!).  When he didn't accept that job I was sure he was never leaving Mason and it was sot of a shock when he did.

[NM Green]

Yeah but the players don’t have to build a team and get them to play together. Players have to execute, but coaches have infinitely more responsibility and should get paid. Just as athletes should get paid. I fault neither of them - biatch on. I know us fans are. 

GMG
 

 

[DentonLurker]

Quite frankly, if these coaches don't like the current landscape, they can always drop down to one of the lower levels. They've benefited from the chase for $'s as much as anyone, but now players can negotiate and they're having to adjust or move on. This is why I think schools will be wise to start hiring the some of these former NFL/NBA guys as CEO Head coaches. They'll be used to the negotiations and what-not. That will benefit schools in the long run. I just don't see the model going backwards anytime soon.

[GMG_Dallas]

1 hour ago, GMG24 said:

He didn't have a problem in 2011 leaving little ole George Mason after guiding them to NCAA tourney for a bigger payday for Miami.  I can't stand talking out of both sides of ones mouth.

Completely agree with you. I really don't care about how this affects him or other coaches at premiere athletic departments. I'm only looking at this from the lense of boosters who thought they'd outspend every other school only to lose their legendary coaches early to burnout. Spending is easy when you're winning. Not as easy when you're on the outside looking in (Miami, Alabama, Michigan, LSU, etc...). The big spenders will dictate the future of college athletics either by making this all worst or by seeking to stabilize this mess.

[GMG_Dallas]

1 hour ago, emmitt01 said:

This doesn't make me sad at all, nor does it bring me any joy.   I'm more like Thanos looking at the NCAA universe and knowing that the rebalancing of the scales is inevitable once enough of the "big boys" feel the pinch of the system they created.  

Exactly. Should have read this before replying to @GMG24.