Transfer portal is killing P4 as well as G5

DallasGreen · December 20

Players are opting out of 12 team playoff as much as they do bowls. Portal has to be moved to late January for everybody’s sake

Cougar King · December 20

This is a half-truth, several backups, mostly 3rd and 4th stringers are opting out of the playoffs because of the portal.

Starters and 2nd stringers outside of Penn State's 2nd string qb are sticking around for the playoffs.

They're given an extra week to hit the portal but they can't move it back because they still have to follow the school's admissions window.

Edited December 20 by Cougar King

meaniegreenie · December 20

6 hours ago, Cougar King said:

This is a half-truth, several backups, mostly 3rd and 4th stringers are opting out of the playoffs because of the portal.

Starters and 2nd stringers outside of Penn State's 2nd string qb are sticking around for the playoffs.

They're given an extra week to hit the portal but they can't move it back because they still have to follow the school's admissions window.

I'll admit to not knowing most of the rules of the TP, but why would someone opt out of the playoffs simply because they are a 3rd string player on a team in the playoffs unless they simply want to stop practicing?

Obviously, if the team makes a long run into the playoff, it may reach the admission window at which time you'd have to quit. All but 4 teams will be done by Jan 1.

However, most every school I've looked into, the final day for transfer application for Spring is much earlier than then opening of the TP, i.e. November 1. Are TP players not entering their next school until fall?

On that note, I may have misinterpreted it, but I recently posted some info regarding UCBerkley transfer rules and one of them was that they ONLY accept transfers in the fall. I suspect that is getting waived for FB players.

Maybe I'm missing the subtle difference between application window and admission window???

Udomann · December 20

7 hours ago, Cougar King said:

This is a half-truth, several backups, mostly 3rd and 4th stringers are opting out of the playoffs because of the portal.

Starters and 2nd stringers outside of Penn State's 2nd string qb are sticking around for the playoffs.

They're given an extra week to hit the portal but they can't move it back because they still have to follow the school's admissions window.

Playoff teams are actually paying players to stay for their games because they worry they don't have enough kids available for practice. Sure the big hitters will be there, but the full truth is this situation is impacting the sport horribly. There will be changes now that the snowflake P4s are impacted

NT80 · December 20

1 hour ago, Udomann said:

Playoff teams are actually paying players to stay for their games because they worry they don't have enough kids available for practice. Sure the big hitters will be there, but the full truth is this situation is impacting the sport horribly. There will be changes now that the snowflake P4s are impacted

I hope there is a playoff team that loses because a needed player(s) was in the portal.

More chaos for the P4 is good.

Give them spice along with their sugar!

Udomann · December 20

3 hours ago, NT80 said:

I hope there is a playoff team that loses because a needed player(s) was in the portal.

More chaos for the P4 is good.

Give them spice along with their sugar!

Funny comment on the whole thing, you can legally buy players from the opposing playoff team via portal to secure a win. Thats just screwed up!

Edited December 20 by Udomann

untjim1995 · December 20

You know, the playoff system to create a champion is better, but I still loved the way CFB was when conferences were regional, they had their champion tied into a specific bowl game, there weren't so many spare bowls featuring matchups that nobody cares about between 6-6 teams, and each season, the end of the year was talking about who had the better resume if this team loses or wins in their bowl game.

I grew up loving the SWC and the Big Eight. Each year, the goal was to make it to Dallas or Miami and see where the chips fell. You were neighbors and friends with grads of those schools. I'm sure it was the same in the old version of the SEC and the ACC. It was just a fun time--and if things went great, the Cotton Bowl, the Orange Bowl, the Sugar Bowl, or the Rose Bowl would be for a national title. But if not, you watched them all because the games mattered in the big scheme of it all and they were on all day and night on New Years Day, along with the Fiesta Bowl, and then, later, the Citrus Bowl for the ACC Champ. Its a bygone era, no doubt, but the games had great coaches all over the country and players we got to know over the years. Yes, there was plenty of cheating, and yes, the big boys controlled the game, but it was more fun. Whatever it is we have today, I feel sorry for people who think CFB today is more enjoyable to follow and support. They probably think we are olds that have Good Ol Day Syndrome and that is fine. I can't really refute any of that. But it was a sport I and many of my age (50s now) loved and followed intensely. Today, we are dropping out very quickly, as we see the farce the portal and NIL are making of this great sport. Very sad...

CMJ · December 21

8 hours ago, untjim1995 said:

You know, the playoff system to create a champion is better, but I still loved the way CFB was when conferences were regional, they had their champion tied into a specific bowl game, there weren't so many spare bowls featuring matchups that nobody cares about between 6-6 teams, and each season, the end of the year was talking about who had the better resume if this team loses or wins in their bowl game.

I grew up loving the SWC and the Big Eight. Each year, the goal was to make it to Dallas or Miami and see where the chips fell. You were neighbors and friends with grads of those schools. I'm sure it was the same in the old version of the SEC and the ACC. It was just a fun time--and if things went great, the Cotton Bowl, the Orange Bowl, the Sugar Bowl, or the Rose Bowl would be for a national title. But if not, you watched them all because the games mattered in the big scheme of it all and they were on all day and night on New Years Day, along with the Fiesta Bowl, and then, later, the Citrus Bowl for the ACC Champ. Its a bygone era, no doubt, but the games had great coaches all over the country and players we got to know over the years. Yes, there was plenty of cheating, and yes, the big boys controlled the game, but it was more fun. Whatever it is we have today, I feel sorry for people who think CFB today is more enjoyable to follow and support. They probably think we are olds that have Good Ol Day Syndrome and that is fine. I can't really refute any of that. But it was a sport I and many of my age (50s now) loved and followed intensely. Today, we are dropping out very quickly, as we see the farce the portal and NIL are making of this great sport. Very sad...

I'm in my mid 40s and I feel similarly. When I was a kid there were maybe 20 total bowl games max, so you usually had really quality matchups in all of them. You'd also go into New Year's Day with maybe 6 or 7 teams thinking if things fell right they could be national champs.

Even the earliest forms of playoff discussion I remember back in the mid to late 80s usually just involved a game after the bowls (as then constituted) between whoever ended up as 1 and 2.

Edited December 21 by CMJ

NT80 · December 21

50 minutes ago, CMJ said:

I'm in my mid 40s and I feel similarly. When I was a kid there were maybe 20 total bowl games max, so you usually had really quality matchups in all of them. You'd also go into New Year's Day with maybe 6 or 7 teams thinking if things fell right they could be national champs.

Even the earliest forms of playoff discussion I remember back in the mid to late 80s usually just involved a game after the bowls (as then constituted) between whoever ended up as 1 and 2.

Media (ESPN) has caused the glut of Bowl games = more $$$

CMJ · December 21

Even into the late 90s it was fairly reasonable. The 1998-1999 Bowl season had 22 games. By the 2008-2009 Bowl season there were 34.

untjim1995 · Saturday at 11:24 PM

17 hours ago, CMJ said:

Even into the late 90s it was fairly reasonable. The 1998-1999 Bowl season had 22 games. By the 2008-2009 Bowl season there were 34.

When we and Boise moved up to 1-A, I believe there were like 92 FBS programs. Now, there are 134 and more to come. I don’t blame the power leagues from looking down at the programs that can’t match their support. It’s like comparing the MLB teams to minor leaguers.

DallasGreen · 2024-12-27T04:36:48Z

On 12/21/2024 at 5:24 PM, untjim1995 said:

When we and Boise moved up to 1-A, I believe there were like 92 FBS programs. Now, there are 134 and more to come. I don’t blame the power leagues from looking down at the programs that can’t match their support. It’s like comparing the MLB teams to minor leaguers.

Boy did you hit it on the head. All D5 is a farm system for P4. You cut down on bowl games and what does any D5 player have as incentive to play except to increase his stock in transfer portal. I enjoy football and that includes the bowl games as I see some real effort unlike the poor showing of SMU in CFP.