JUCO players will have 4 years NCAA eligibility remaining

[gangrene]

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I'm still trying to wrap my head around the implications this will have on recruiting and then how that will translate for us.

[Mean Green 93-98]

This is insane.  So seasons played at a JUCO don't affect eligibility at all?

What this does is give a huge recruiting advantage to JUCOs over FCS schools and lower, and potentially over G5s.  A player thinks he has P2 ability but isn't getting P2 offers?  Commit to a JUCO, give yourself 2 years to develop and show what you can do in college ball, then still have just as many years of eligibility to offer as a high school commit would have.

We are going to see more of these 24- and 25-year-old college football players going forward.

Once again, note who is ruining college football....It's not the NCAA, it's the court system and government (okay, along with ESPN).

Edited 20 hours ago by Mean Green 93-98

[NT80]

14 minutes ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

We are going to see more of these 24- and 25-year-old college football players going forward.

BYU has always had a lot of older athletes because of their mission service.   I absolutely believe it helps their athletic programs.

Many head coaches want older players on their roster.  Not just because of experience, but maturity and more adaptable sometimes than younger players.  

Men vs boys.

[meaniegreenie]

Then don't allow any credits to be transferred either.

[Tom McKrackin]

I don’t think this will necessarily help jucos. There will always be a stigma with having attended a juco for most.

[NorthTexan95]

We're on our way to college football being a career.  Time to work on the CSARF ... College Student Athlete Retirement Fund.  (Gotta have "Student" in the name to continue the falsehood). 

[MeanGreenZen]

This is a horrible ruling as we are on our way to having career minor league football players sponsored by colleges. 

It also means that North Texas and all other colleges will benefit from more developed talent. 

Hurts high school kids who want to go to 4-year institutions the most. Why recruit a HS kid when you can get a player who is two years more developed? 

It has been established in court that the NCAA cannot establish any sort of eligibility rules. Can the individual conferences band together and put forward some sort of eligibility guidelines and/or transfer portal restrictions that makes sense? 

[MeanGreenZen]

Also wonder how this impacts a kid like Tylor Perry, whose eligibility JUST ran out before this season because of JUCO time served.
I guarantee guys like him have probably already filed lawsuits asking to be granted immediate eligibility and reinstatement. 

[meangreenfaninno]

22 minutes ago, MeanGreenZen said:

Also wonder how this impacts a kid like Tylor Perry, whose eligibility JUST ran out before this season because of JUCO time served.
I guarantee guys like him have probably already filed lawsuits asking to be granted immediate eligibility and reinstatement. 

Great point.  

[Wag Tag]

College football could become a career especially when you look at salaries for QB's. Basically the Michigan qb could retire after four years. So we are going to see more 24 and 25 year olds in college sports? Does this hurt the NFL?

Edited 9 hours ago by Wag Tag

[TheColonyEagle]

On the surface, this seems bad for HS grads. Really good for P4s. 

If you are a HS senior, your chances of playing D1...baseball especially, out of HS is severely diminished. A D1 baseball coach has way better options now than taking a chance on a HS kid. The whole model has changed and it effects all sports. Think about football. The days of recruiting a kid and developing him are over. Saw in another thread about our incoming QB from Miami. Someone asked (and it's a good question): "if he was the back up, the Heisman candidate starter just left. Isn't it his job? Why would he leave?" Because that coach doesn't care about him. He's scouring the transfer portal looking for his next Cam Ward. (just like he did with the real Cam Ward). Chances are the Miami staff is looking for a bigger, better deal. If you're a D1 baseball or basketball coach, the talent pool of 21 year old, developed, experienced players just opened up. HS kids are going to get pushed out. The transfer portal is going to get crazier to. College players are going to be used, moved, basically traded...

With NIL, players are going to stay in college longer too. Saw something the other day: Every SEC starting QB makes more $$ than Brock Purdy, a Superbowl starting 3rd year NFL QB.

 

[El Paso Eagle]

1 hour ago, MeanGreenZen said:

Also wonder how this impacts a kid like Tylor Perry, whose eligibility JUST ran out before this season because of JUCO time served.
I guarantee guys like him have probably already filed lawsuits asking to be granted immediate eligibility and reinstatement. 

I had heard one opinion that players is eligibility ran out and are no longer in schools could have a recourse to try to regain some eligibility. This is freaking ridiculous.

[El Paso Eagle]

3 hours ago, MeanGreenZen said:

Hurts high school kids who want to go to 4-year institutions the most. Why recruit a HS kid when you can get a player who is two years more developed? 

Not trying to sound like too much of an ass, but I'm starting not to care how it impacts high school kids. Many of these are the same kids that you will give a chance to, and then they have a good season after one or two years and leave. So, if rightly so, they are looking after what is best for them, the Universities should be looking out for what's best for them and recruit players who are most ready to step on the field and help them play. 

PS also has an issue with some of these high school coaches who complain that colleges are not recruiting their kids as much but don't seem to want to bring up the fact that those same kids if they're given the opportunity, will leave a smaller school without hesitation if something better comes along for them.

Edited 6 hours ago by El Paso Eagle

[meaniegreenie]

3 hours ago, MeanGreenZen said:

This is a horrible ruling as we are on our way to having career minor league football players sponsored by colleges. 

It also means that North Texas and all other colleges will benefit from more developed talent. 

Hurts high school kids who want to go to 4-year institutions the most. Why recruit a HS kid when you can get a player who is two years more developed? 

It has been established in court that the NCAA cannot establish any sort of eligibility rules. Can the individual conferences band together and put forward some sort of eligibility guidelines and/or transfer portal restrictions that makes sense? 

That sums up my whole feeling regarding where we're heading. 

I don't want Universities being in the business of minor league sports, fast food chains, discount store franchises, or Medicare Advantage Plan sales (we've got enough of those already this time of year!).

[meaniegreenie]

 

3 hours ago, Wag Tag said:

College football could become a career especially when you look at salaries for QB's.

It's going to be interesting to see how the taxpayers see this (for state schools, N/A for private).

Similar to the concerns regarding spending local tax $'s to build NFL stadiums, using tax dollars to run a minor league FB team may stir some controversy. 

I may be wrong since I don't keep up with all of the latest media payouts, etc, but I think there's not a lot of schools that actually make money on athletics (and this is BEFORE we start paying them directly).
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/research/Finances/2023RES_DI-RevExpReport_FINAL.pdf

If UT essentially starts running a minor league FB team out of the school and makes money, should the tax payers expect a refund or cut in taxes directed to UT?  What if they're losing money?

[untjim1995]

15 minutes ago, meaniegreenie said:

 

It's going to be interesting to see how the taxpayers see this (for state schools, N/A for private).

Similar to the concerns regarding spending local tax $'s to build NFL stadiums, using tax dollars to run a minor league FB team may stir some controversy. 

I may be wrong since I don't keep up with all of the latest media payouts, etc, but I think there's not a lot of schools that actually make money on athletics (and this is BEFORE we start paying them directly).
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/research/Finances/2023RES_DI-RevExpReport_FINAL.pdf

If UT essentially starts running a minor league FB team out of the school and makes money, should the tax payers expect a refund or cut in taxes directed to UT?  What if they're losing money?

The UT Athletic Department will just get treated as a corporation, saying funds received to it are voluntary, even if tax-deductible. And no politician will touch this, knowing how quickly they'd get hammered for hurting State U's football team and its funding.