N.O. Bowl: SHSU (9-3) vs Ga. Southern (8-4), 6:00pm ESPN-2....UNT's future Defense on display!

Side.Show.Joe · Friday at 07:02 PM

I spoke with a SH fan and he said every starter on their defense played last night. Even the players in the Portal. I think that is a very good sign that Cassity is the right hire for North Texas.

GMG24 · Friday at 11:37 PM

8 hours ago, GMG_Dallas said:

Yes I missed the time/end of half scenario in that case.

It's been said by others on the board. They use a Jack linebacker. I'm looking at size and how that affects some of those down and 1 situations we've struggled with. Is what Cassity runs enough to solve those issues? Is 3 true DL and Jack linebacker enough? Are we equating that to a true 4-man front?

Probably a bit smaller than a true DE, but much more versatile. If teams are living in 3rd and short 2 or less. Odds are they are kicking your butt and 3rd down is the LEAST of your worries.

I am attaching an antiquated number chart but I would imagine with enough digging you could find one for closer years than 2021.

https://staturdays.com/2021/12/03/2021-update-third-down-conversion-rate-by-distance-to-go/

GMG_Dallas · 2024-12-21T03:18:22Z

3 hours ago, GMG24 said:

Probably a bit smaller than a true DE, but much more versatile. If teams are living in 3rd and short 2 or less. Odds are they are kicking your butt and 3rd down is the LEAST of your worries.

I am attaching an antiquated number chart but I would imagine with enough digging you could find one for closer years than 2021.

https://staturdays.com/2021/12/03/2021-update-third-down-conversion-rate-by-distance-to-go/

Understood on the Jack vs true DE. Not arguing against either, just want it to work.

Sightly bored so I was reading threads from 2019-2020. Others were pretty much having the same conversation. Some were calling for a 3 DL + Jack with others wanted a true 4 DL front. Some things haven't changed.

GMG24 · 2024-12-21T15:49:09Z

12 hours ago, GMG_Dallas said:

Understood on the Jack vs true DE. Not arguing against either, just want it to work.

Sightly bored so I was reading threads from 2019-2020. Others were pretty much having the same conversation. Some were calling for a 3 DL + Jack with others wanted a true 4 DL front. Some things haven't changed.

I would imagine that against a true double tight end set or heavier formation he has the ability for that Jack to end up being an actual defensive lineman, but in today's game the need to be able to multiple based on formations, offenses etc. Jack LB's end up being the nice in between. Yeah you give up some on 3rd or 4th and short but the idea is that 1st and 2nd down you keep them in less favorable down and distances by having a more athletic guy on the field. I believe last season nationally the percentages on 3rd and 2 or less was like 68 percent conversion rate offensively.

I as much as anyone want to see a defense on the field we can be proud of. Just like the HOD Bowl championship defense. The reality is though if you're living in 3rd and short as a defense you probably aren't getting very many stops.

GMG_Dallas · 2024-12-21T16:19:00Z

38 minutes ago, GMG24 said:

I would imagine that against a true double tight end set or heavier formation he has the ability for that Jack to end up being an actual defensive lineman, but in today's game the need to be able to multiple based on formations, offenses etc. Jack LB's end up being the nice in between. Yeah you give up some on 3rd or 4th and short but the idea is that 1st and 2nd down you keep them in less favorable down and distances by having a more athletic guy on the field. I believe last season nationally the percentages on 3rd and 2 or less was like 68 percent conversion rate offensively.

I as much as anyone want to see a defense on the field we can be proud of. Just like the HOD Bowl championship defense. The reality is though if you're living in 3rd and short as a defense you probably aren't getting very many stops.

Difference between the Jack Cassity uses and the "Devil" linebacker we ran a few years back? Looks like more of the same with a different name.

About the conversion rates, I found an article from this September but only about run plays on 3rd/4th and 1. The discussion was running out of the shotgun vs under center. Either way, the conversion rate was between 68% and 75%. All run plays, whether shotgun or under center, and RB runs from the shotgun were converted at about 75%. RB only from under center was closer to 68%.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5771435/2024/09/17/college-football-short-yardage-analysis/

Edited 9 hours ago by GMG_Dallas

GMG24 · 2024-12-21T16:32:18Z

11 minutes ago, GMG_Dallas said:

Difference between the Jack Cassity uses and the "Devil" linebacker we ran a few years back? Looks like more of the same with a different name.

About the conversion rates, I found an article from this September but only about run plays on 3rd/4th and 1. The discussion was running out of the shotgun vs under center. Either way, the conversion rate was between 68% and 75%. All run plays, whether shotgun or under center, and RB runs from the shotgun were converted at about 75%. RB only from under center was closer to 68%.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5771435/2024/09/17/college-football-short-yardage-analysis/

I think they're essentially the same, 6'2-6'4" 230-240 ish pounds who can play in space a little if needed.

That is about what I'd imagine it to be. Similarly the numbers are about the same for defensive success rate at 3rd and 8 or longer.

GMG_Dallas · 2024-12-21T17:12:16Z

10 minutes ago, GMG24 said:

I think they're essentially the same, 6'2-6'4" 230-240 ish pounds who can play in space a little if needed.

That is about what I'd imagine it to be. Similarly the numbers are about the same for defensive success rate at 3rd and 8 or longer.

So similar to the wonderful defenses of 2021 and 2022. Not saying it'll be the same result. I realize it's not all the same defense and coaching matters. Just slightly misleading to call it a 4 man front. Sam Houston's depth suggests a 3-4. Still better than a 3-3. If he plans on running a 4-2-5 then cool, whatever, but I hope it's a true 4 man front and not 3 with a Jack and 2 LBs.