Breaking: North Texas lands Miami QB Transfer (Free)

[Censored by Laurie]

22 hours ago, El Paso Eagle said:

This! I understand the staff wants to continue recruiting high school players, but especially at quarterback, how much time and effort should we put into developing a player for another school?

I still think the best path forward for a program like ours is to balance what is done in the portal with offering higher level incoming freshmen (maybe not 5 stars, but 3s and 4s) the opportunity at immediate/early playing time that is going to become scarcer and scarcer in the P4, even if the idea is that the freshmen leave after a season or two. 

[Tom McKrackin]

1 minute ago, Censored by Laurie said:

I still think the best path forward for a program like ours is to balance what is done in the portal with offering higher level incoming freshmen (maybe not 5 stars, but 3s and 4s) the opportunity at immediate/early playing time that is going to become scarcer and scarcer in the P4, even if the idea is that the freshmen leave after a season or two. 

I am good with this so long as you and others on here understand that if they can play they will be immediately gone.  No more building for the future at our level.  It is a team you build year to year. And if Morris has another mediocre season he needs to go!

[97and03]

14 hours ago, GMG_Dallas said:

As much as Littrell gets heat around here, his era's QB play really spoiled us. McNulty and Greer were here, what? About 10 years ago?

Please don’t tell me you forgot about Aune mediocrity and the slew of failures they brought in to try to replace him repeatedly. 

[GMG_Dallas]

3 hours ago, 97and03 said:

Please don’t tell me you forgot about Aune mediocrity and the slew of failures they brought in to try to replace him repeatedly. 

And yet despite that, he holds the single season passing TD record for this program. The year before Fine, we would have all taken an Austin Aune. Again, we've been spoiled by that era's QB play.

[Udomann]

53 minutes ago, GMG_Dallas said:

And yet despite that, he holds the single season passing TD record for this program. The year before Fine, we would have all taken an Austin Aune. Again, we've been spoiled by that era's QB play.

We've also been spoiled by the quality of opponents,  which honestly, are mostly terrible 

[GMG_Dallas]

44 minutes ago, Udomann said:

We've also been spoiled by the quality of opponents,  which honestly, are mostly terrible 

Correct. I'm not arguing Aune was a world beater. I'm just pointing out we've been spoiled since 2016. Ten years ago these are some of the names we were hoping would turn this program around at the QB position: Brock Berglund, Kevin Dillman, Caleb Chumley, Dajon Williams, Josh Greer, Connor Means, and Josh Cousins. Now we've got fans trashing a guy who had 3800 total yards and 42 total TDs in 2023 because it was at the FCS level. I don't know about you, but I'm picking this situation over what we had 12ish years ago.

[3_n_out]

Now we need to find targets for him to throw to and OL to block. Also, I hope EM has more than just screens in the playbook to call. It should be a really interesting spring to see who will come out as the top dog in the QB room. 

[meaniegreenie]

18 hours ago, NT80 said:

He is supposed to be a good runner too.

I noticed that as well and intended to mention it. 

At 6' 0", 208 lbs vs  191 lbs, maybe that 17 extra pounds is enough to gain 1ft at the goal line. 
That's assuming we actually put him under center (once we get a new one).

[3_n_out]

2 hours ago, meaniegreenie said:

I noticed that as well and intended to mention it. 

At 6' 0", 208 lbs vs  191 lbs, maybe that 17 extra pounds is enough to gain 1ft at the goal line. 
That's assuming we actually put him under center (once we get a new one).

Perhaps because of his injury history, CM didn’t run as much as he could have. It would be a nice added wrinkle if our qb would be able to pick up some first downs on the run. That could definitely open things up more. 

[meaniegreenie]

46 minutes ago, 3_n_out said:

Perhaps because of his injury history, CM didn’t run as much as he could have. It would be a nice added wrinkle if our qb would be able to pick up some first downs on the run. That could definitely open things up more. 

There were numerous opportunities where he could have done that and slid to get the first down. 
Instead, he forced a pass into a tough spot and we ended up stalling on the drive after 3 or 4 plays.

[Meangreen Fight]

On 12/18/2024 at 5:58 AM, GMG_Dallas said:

We can complain all we want about Aune but he holds the single season record in TD passes. While QB play wasn't perfect after Fine left, it was a heck of a lot better than right before Fine got here.

I completely understand that. This is no different than any HS prospect or even an FBS transfer. Not all QBs can replicate their previous success in a new system. I'd still rather have a guy who was accomplished than somebody who never saw the field.

 

Every transfer is a risk no matter what. Your logic is severely flawed though. Cam Ward was once a big time FCS transfer and was just a Heisman finalist with that Miami team you're trashing. Joe Burrow was once a career backup on an Ohio State team that couldn't win the championship and look what he did. If you want to get even crazier with it all, Stetson Bennett was once a walk-on who then transferred to a junior college before transferring back to Georgia to win a couple National Championships. We can go on forever with this. We got a guy with success at the D1 level. More success than Chandler Rogers had. There's no reason to believe he won't work out here. 

What does work out mean?  Big numbers another 6-6 season?  So far that looks like that is ceiling for an Eric Morris team.  Settle down, I didn’t say he would suck. I just suggested all the excitement is unwarranted. 🤦🏽‍♂️.  Every example you mentioned, the QB was joining a very good roster compared to their conference rivals.  That will likely not be the case here.  So expecting any transfer to elevate a mediocre roster to a conference championship is just silly.  And at the G5 level that is really the only realistic goal you can have entering the season.  And using the atrocious passing offense and team records in the period before Seth is just lowering the bar.  Many of us also thought Seth would have gotten more out of the talented Jason Bean who left here and had some really good games for Kansas.

[GMG_Dallas]

2 hours ago, Meangreen Fight said:

What does work out mean?  Big numbers another 6-6 season?  So far that looks like that is ceiling for an Eric Morris team.  Settle down, I didn’t say he would suck. I just suggested all the excitement is unwarranted. 🤦🏽‍♂️.  Every example you mentioned, the QB was joining a very good roster compared to their conference rivals.  That will likely not be the case here.  So expecting any transfer to elevate a mediocre roster to a conference championship is just silly.  And at the G5 level that is really the only realistic goal you can have entering the season.  And using the atrocious passing offense and team records in the period before Seth is just lowering the bar.  Many of us also thought Seth would have gotten more out of the talented Jason Bean who left here and had some really good games for Kansas.

Ok so what's your suggestion? Don't get a QB? I'm confused as to what the end goal of your argument is. Regardless of who we get, we're going to suck? Looks like you're complaining just to complain.

[Censored by Laurie]

12 minutes ago, GMG_Dallas said:

Looks like you're complaining just to complain.

I'm going to develop an AI feature for the board that reads all the posts before they're submitted and sends a pop-up window stating: "looks like you're complaining just to complain. are you sure you want to continue?"

sort of a two-factor authentication for stupidity. 

[GMG_Dallas]

57 minutes ago, Censored by Laurie said:

I'm going to develop an AI feature for the board that reads all the posts before they're submitted and sends a pop-up window stating: "looks like you're complaining just to complain. are you sure you want to continue?"

sort of a two-factor authentication for stupidity. 

Look, I've also been guilty of stupid complaints but this stuff he posted is on another level. 

[97and03]

1 hour ago, Censored by Laurie said:

I'm going to develop an AI feature for the board that reads all the posts before they're submitted and sends a pop-up window stating: "looks like you're complaining just to complain. are you sure you want to continue?"

sort of a two-factor authentication for stupidity. 

I will always click “yes”

[SilverEagle]

1 hour ago, GMG_Dallas said:

Ok so what's your suggestion? Don't get a QB? I'm confused as to what the end goal of your argument is. Regardless of who we get, we're going to suck? Looks like you're complaining just to complain.

Sadly, one of the only North Texas traditions that make it from one NT generation to another. Wrinkled $100 bills are just as valid today as when I originally coined that analogy back in about 1973.  TCU, has "RIFF RAM BAH ZOO" and we have "wrinkled $100 bills".

[GrandGreen]

On 12/18/2024 at 8:42 AM, Censored by Laurie said:

I still think the best path forward for a program like ours is to balance what is done in the portal with offering higher level incoming freshmen (maybe not 5 stars, but 3s and 4s) the opportunity at immediate/early playing time that is going to become scarcer and scarcer in the P4, even if the idea is that the freshmen leave after a season or two. 

When is the last time, NT signed a legit four star? 

Jamario Thomas?

With all the emphasis on the transfer portal, it should be a lot easier.  However, lower tier teams like NT will quickly lose those players if they develop into good D1 level players.

 

[3_n_out]

18 hours ago, meaniegreenie said:

There were numerous opportunities where he could have done that and slid to get the first down. 
Instead, he forced a pass into a tough spot and we ended up stalling on the drive after 3 or 4 plays.

Absolutely, and it was maddening. 

[Meangreen Fight]

8 hours ago, GMG_Dallas said:

Ok so what's your suggestion? Don't get a QB? I'm confused as to what the end goal of your argument is. Regardless of who we get, we're going to suck? Looks like you're complaining just to complain.

🤦🏽‍♂️”all the excitement is unwarranted” is not a complaint it is just rational observation.   Complaining would be saying “he is going to suck why didn’t we get somebody better” that is a complaint.  Fixing the defense is the priority bad QB play RARELY factored in the losses we had.  Nice to have somebody apparently talented based on his FCS performance to take Chandler’s place.  But expecting him to be program lifter beyond reasonable optimism.  If they can’t vastly improve the defense and win a little more almost everyone on this board will going griping again come December.  

[NT80]

5 hours ago, Meangreen Fight said:

🤦🏽‍♂️”all the excitement is unwarranted” is not a complaint it is just rational observation.   Complaining would be saying “he is going to suck why didn’t we get somebody better” that is a complaint.  Fixing the defense is the priority bad QB play RARELY factored in the losses we had.  Nice to have somebody apparently talented based on his FCS performance to take Chandler’s place.  But expecting him to be program lifter beyond reasonable optimism.  If they can’t vastly improve the defense and win a little more almost everyone on this board will going griping again come December.  

Yes, the defense was bad.  But the offense factored more in the losses as the year went on. 

I think Chandler's injuries affected his throwing accuracy. When he went into hyper-mode later in the year, many times it resulted in quick 3-and-outs, flipped the field for the opponent, and provided little rest time for the defense.

Poor coaching decisions on offense also were to blame.  Shotgun formation on the goal line instead of under center.  Pass plays called when we only needed 1-2 yards for a first.   Several times going for unnecessary 4th downs early in games, neglecting makeable FGs.  Going for 4th downs from our own side of the field and missing left the defense in some bad situations.

[meaniegreenie]

12 hours ago, NT80 said:

Yes, the defense was bad.  But the offense factored more in the losses as the year went on. 

I think Chandler's injuries affected his throwing accuracy. When he went into hyper-mode later in the year, many times it resulted in quick 3-and-outs, flipped the field for the opponent, and provided little rest time for the defense.

Poor coaching decisions on offense also were to blame.  Shotgun formation on the goal line instead of under center.  Pass plays called when we only needed 1-2 yards for a first.   Several times going for unnecessary 4th downs early in games, neglecting makeable FGs.  Going for 4th downs from our own side of the field and missing left the defense in some bad situations.

Yeah, all of this became the norm and not the exception.

[UNTLifer]

I just want to return to a defense that makes our opponents want to quit much like they did vs. IU at Apogee, UNLV in the Heart of Dallas Bowl and during the Booger/Spencer/Jones/Buckles era.

[Meangreen Fight]

16 hours ago, NT80 said:

Poor coaching decisions on offense also were to blame.  Shotgun formation on the goal line instead of under center.  Pass plays called when we only needed 1-2 yards for a first.   Several times going for unnecessary 4th downs early in games, neglecting makeable FGs.  Going for 4th downs from our own side of the field and missing left the defense in some bad situations.

I agree with a lot of the criticism of the offense but a talented quarterback isn't going to fix bad play calls regularly for the coaching staff unless we are talking about All American caliber play.  I just saying if you pencil in QB play on par with median good Chandler Morris game it won't effect winning much if the defense isn't vastly improved and as you pointed out play calling becomes better.  I really don't think you can expect better offensive line play next season either.  With this QB pickup I view as only fixing an unexpected deficiency by Chandler's departure, hopefully.

[NT80]

50 minutes ago, Meangreen Fight said:

I agree with a lot of the criticism of the offense but a talented quarterback isn't going to fix bad play calls regularly for the coaching staff unless we are talking about All American caliber play.  I just saying if you pencil in QB play on par with median good Chandler Morris game it won't effect winning much if the defense isn't vastly improved and as you pointed out play calling becomes better.  I really don't think you can expect better offensive line play next season either.  With this QB pickup I view as only fixing an unexpected deficiency by Chandler's departure, hopefully.

Agree. 

If the new QB is similar to median Chandler Morris, and a new defense is 50% better than this seasons, that could generate 3-4 more wins.