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  On 12/12/2024 at 7:58 PM, Meangreen Fight said:

Loved everything about your post but I wanted to highlight this section.   I believe a lot of the fans on this board want to stick their heads in the sand and minimize the absurd mismanagement of the football program the last 20 years.   We have a ton of alumni locally that could be won over. 

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While a lot of what you said is true, I'm not convinced about winning over the alumni. Most were never interested in FB, or were fans of bigger schools, and many of the few that were have been lured away by the ESPN Minor League CFB system.

We let 30-40+ years of students roll through UNT w/o much of a FB program to embrace.
Worse yet, we spent a good portion of that time being a commuter school that was also significantly populated with students majoring in art, music, and elementary school teachers. While there are exceptions, a large majority of those students aren't interested in FB.

It's interesting that art and music majors aren't in the below, but maybe many of them never complete their degree or end up with a teaching degree focused in that specialty.  I'm kinda' surprised at the legal numbers.

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The most common jobs for people who hold a degree in one of the 5 most specialized majors at University of North Texas are Elementary & middle school teachers (208,639 people), Other managers (178,715 people), Secondary school teachers (129,171 people), Lawyers, & judges, magistrates, & other judicial workers (128,803 people), and Postsecondary teachers (110,155 people).

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Now that we're well over 40k, we're less of a commuter school and the number of students interested in athletics should be getting a larger. However, even if 20k of those were FB fans, as I mentioned above, many of those are  T-shirt fans of other big name schools.  They'd rather watch SEC FB on a big screen TV in their comfy room with cheap snacks and beer than personally attend a UNT game.

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In the past, I would have been shocked and very upset at losing a top player. Now, I just expect it.   I just don't care about college sports that much anymore and that is very sad.

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And now, the dam will break. I expect to lose all our top players. The NCAA should be sued. 

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  On 12/13/2024 at 12:26 AM, meaniegreenie said:

Now that we're well over 40k, we're less of a commuter school and the number of students interested in athletics should be getting a larger. However, even if 20k of those were FB fans, as I mentioned above, many of those are  T-shirt fans of other big name schools.  They'd rather watch SEC FB on a big screen TV in their comfy room with cheap snacks and beer than personally attend a UNT game.

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It will take some BIG wins over name programs to pull in many of the fence-sitting fans and students.  Like us, they want to brag on their school about a BIG win, and beating Temple by only a touchdown isn't it.

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Ragsdale enters the portal……really? 4 games in 2 years and UNT probably paid tuition, room & board…plus medical care, pt rehab, all related out of pocket expenses…enough to get him on his feet so he could hobble over to the portal ! What suckers we are….

We wish him well, but one might wonder what team will want him….however, there are rumors that there is interest from Baylor…..Medical Center!

University presidents, boards,  athletic directors, conference execs need to unite and lobby for changes to insane portal and NIL policies…or G5 football will be toast!

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GMG_Dallas Grand Master

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  On 12/13/2024 at 7:32 AM, 97and03 said:

If he ends up at another AAC school, then yes maybe it is time to shut the program down. 

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Why? Memphis has a large NIL deal with FedEx valued at $5 million per year. We're in DFW. How we haven't cultivated a similar deal with any of the 24 Fortune 500 companies located in the metroplex is an indictment on our leadership but it doesn't mean shutdown the program. Number 3 in the nation in volume of Fortune 500s and can't get a dang NIL deal...

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GMG_Dallas Grand Master

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It will take some BIG wins over name programs to pull in many of the fence-sitting fans and students.  Like us, they want to brag on their school about a BIG win, and beating Temple by only a touchdown isn't it.

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Big wins over big programs who are having a good year, not beating an Arkansas team that finished 2-10. We need to do like Northern Illinois and beat a Notre Dame team that finished 11-1 and in the playoffs. Those are the wins that cultivate fans.

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If he ends up at another AAC school, then yes maybe it is time to shut the program down. 

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I've never supported the idea of shutting it down, but this kind of action is something that might finally start proving to me that we've only been dragging a dead horse around for the past 20 years with no chance of recovery.

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It blows my mind that Peterbilt/PACAR has been right down the road for 40 years now and we have cultivated what?  Our leadership should push them to support us like Fed Ex supports Memphis.  I mean they only achieved quarterly revenues of $9.08 billion in the fourth quarter of 2023.

https://www.paccar.com/news/current-news/2024/paccar-achieves-record-annual-revenues-and-net-income/

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It blows my mind that Peterbilt/PACAR has been right down the road for 40 years now and we have cultivated what?  Our leadership should push them to support us like Fed Ex supports Memphis.  I mean they only achieved quarterly revenues of $9.08 billion in the fourth quarter of 2023.

https://www.paccar.com/news/current-news/2024/paccar-achieves-record-annual-revenues-and-net-income/

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good question for the BOR and past presidents, they wonder why such apathy when the school does not try to engage the community

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Big wins over big programs who are having a good year, not beating an Arkansas team that finished 2-10. We need to do like Northern Illinois and beat a Notre Dame team that finished 11-1 and in the playoffs. Those are the wins that cultivate fans.

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 You mean like this: 
 
11/13/2024, Huskie Stadium, Attendance:  6795
11/30/2024, Huskie Stadium, Attendance:  5843
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It blows my mind that Peterbilt/PACAR has been right down the road for 40 years now and we have cultivated what?  Our leadership should push them to support us like Fed Ex supports Memphis.  I mean they only achieved quarterly revenues of $9.08 billion in the fourth quarter of 2023.

https://www.paccar.com/news/current-news/2024/paccar-achieves-record-annual-revenues-and-net-income/

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I have always thought one of the Casino’s let them run concert deals. Choctaw!!

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 You mean like this: 
 
11/13/2024, Huskie Stadium, Attendance:  6795
11/30/2024, Huskie Stadium, Attendance:  5843
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Following the Notre Dame game, NIU had two home games go over 18k in attendance. I went through every season back to 2016 and that's the first time they've hit 18k home attendance in any single game in 8 years. Their website doesn't show stats past 2016. Gotta keep winning though.

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It blows my mind that Peterbilt/PACAR has been right down the road for 40 years now and we have cultivated what?  Our leadership should push them to support us like Fed Ex supports Memphis.  I mean they only achieved quarterly revenues of $9.08 billion in the fourth quarter of 2023.

https://www.paccar.com/news/current-news/2024/paccar-achieves-record-annual-revenues-and-net-income/

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Like I've said before, Denton just happens to be the city that UNT is located in and they don't give a s#!t about the school. 

In addition, I've suggested that we should be trying to pull in the whole Frisco region, making them feel like UNT is their team of choice since it is the closest one to them.  That area (and of course, the area N of Denton) is the primary future growth of the Metroplex, with it only being a matter of time before it expands all the way to Oklahoma. 

I've also said that I don't really like the concepts of UNT-Dallas, UNT-Frisco, etc. (I don't know why), but maybe it's time we give UNT-Frisco a chance.

I know it's a ridiculous thought, but it wouldn't bother me at all if we packed up the whole damn place and moved it to Frisco, giving Denton the complete FU.  Yeah, I'd hate the loss of "home" that we all spent there, but give Frisco the chance to embrace UNT along with partnering up with (ugghh) the Cowboys and we'd be done with the stagnant apathy of Denton.

 

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It blows my mind that Peterbilt/PACAR has been right down the road for 40 years now and we have cultivated what?  Our leadership should push them to support us like Fed Ex supports Memphis.  I mean they only achieved quarterly revenues of $9.08 billion in the fourth quarter of 2023.

https://www.paccar.com/news/current-news/2024/paccar-achieves-record-annual-revenues-and-net-income/

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I’ve been told many times that they have zero interest in being a FedEx-like sponsor of UNT sports, that they don’t want to make Dentonites feel like they’re choosing to support UNT more than TWU and that they know most Dentonites don’t care for our athletic programs. That’s straight from Chamber of Commerce members, past and present.

Denton is the single worst place for a college football team to exist.

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NT80 Grand Master

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Following the Notre Dame game, NIU had two home games go over 18k in attendance. I went through every season back to 2016 and that's the first time they've hit 18k home attendance in any single game in 8 years. Their website doesn't show stats past 2016. Gotta keep winning though.

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Agree the winning must continue.  But they did finish 7-5. 

No excuses for 5K and 6K attendance at FBS home games during a winning season that included beating ND.

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I’ve been told many times that they have zero interest in being a FedEx-like sponsor of UNT sports, that they don’t want to make Dentonites feel like they’re choosing to support UNT more than TWU and that they know most Dentonites don’t care for our athletic programs. That’s straight from Chamber of Commerce members, past and present.

Denton is the single worst place for a college football team to exist.

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Then give to both. Seems like a fairly simple solution. 

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UNTLifer Grand Master

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Then give to both. Seems like a fairly simple solution. 

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Screw TWU. I could not care less if we piss off their whiny alumni. What are there 100 or so in Denton? They garner zero attention, zero media coverage, etc. 

I am sure upset TWU alumni are going to negatively affect PACCAR’s bottom line. So many are purchasing their products. 

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GMG_Dallas Grand Master

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Agree the winning must continue.  But they did finish 7-5. 

No excuses for 5K and 6K attendance at FBS home games during a winning season that included beating ND.

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Sure I agree but you have to understand NIU's attendance issues over the years. They’ve been averaging about 9k at home for the past several years and even going back to 2016, their single game attendance highs are about 15k which would maybe be once in a season. To hit 18k twice in one season considering their past 8+ years of struggling attendance shows the value of that one win against a regional power.

In 2021, they finished 9-5 and were MAC champions. They averaged 9k at home that year with their home attendance high being 11,334 vs Wyoming which was the week after beating a bad GA Tech team on the road.

We've got opportunities coming up. Texas Tech in 2027, Baylor in 2028 and 2029, Missouri in 2030 and 2031. That's a stretch of OOCs against regionally relevant power programs. Maybe we'll finally take advantage.

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 You mean like this: 
 
11/13/2024, Huskie Stadium, Attendance:  6795
11/30/2024, Huskie Stadium, Attendance:  5843
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That looks like a school that accurately counts its butts in the seat attendance. Anyone have pictures of Huskie Stadium for that those games? I'd like to see what that looks like.

 

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NT80 Grand Master

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Screw TWU. I could not care less if we piss off their whiny alumni. What are there 100 or so in Denton? They garner zero attention, zero media coverage, etc. 

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TWU should be merged into UNT.   It would save the state money. 

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Sure I agree but you have to understand NIU's attendance issues over the years. They’ve been averaging about 9k at home for the past several years and even going back to 2016, their single game attendance highs are about 15k which would maybe be once in a season. To hit 18k twice in one season considering their past 8+ years of struggling attendance shows the value of that one win against a regional power.

In 2021, they finished 9-5 and were MAC champions. They averaged 9k at home that year with their home attendance high being 11,334 vs Wyoming which was the week after beating a bad GA Tech team on the road.

We've got opportunities coming up. Texas Tech in 2027, Baylor in 2028 and 2029, Missouri in 2030 and 2031. That's a stretch of OOCs against regionally relevant power programs. Maybe we'll finally take advantage.

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Yes, NIU got a short attendance bump from beating ND, much like we did in 2018.  But neither could sustain the winning and the marginal fans went away again.

In 2018 UNT beat $mut and Arkansas to start the season.   4-0 and facing La Tech at home we drew 30K fans to Apogee, for really a no-name opponent to most students.  Constant winning is the answer, with the help of some name-brand wins.

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