Bye Bye Chandler Morris

[El Paso Eagle]

1 minute ago, GrandGreen said:

SMU maybe, but why should UT or Oregon disagree?   You seem to be assuming that recruiting results would substantially change without NIL.

UT and Oregon would do fine without the headaches NIL promotes.  Even SMU would just go back to paying players in the old fashioned ways that they historically used.  

 

Before NIL money when was the last time Texas won the Big 12 - 2009

Oregon is buying players left and right

[GrandGreen]

16 minutes ago, Green Otaku said:

https://apnews.com/article/ncaa-legal-battles-d2115349e2d81e481818159a4863cce4

I fail to see the connection.  Filing suits in itself is very expensive and losing obviously can have disastrous consequences.

[GrandGreen]

4 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:

Before NIL money when was the last time Texas won the Big 12 - 2009

Oregon is buying players left and right

So the coaching changes at UT and their enormous media coverage plus one of the biggest budgets in college football were all minor factors compared to NIL?

Your second point is completely inmaterial, every D1 team is buying players to some degree.  The bigger the program, usually the bigger the fanbase and the money for NIL available.  

[greenminer]

I'm not concerned about QB play.

Just want to see better defense.

[rcade]

18 minutes ago, MeanGreen22 said:

Because they can just go out and buy whatever they need. QB sucks? Just go get the best passer in G5. Need a couple backup DBs? Here’s a blank check Mr XYZ player. 

While that works out for a bunch of big P4/3/2 schools, Florida State went from undefeated ACC champ to superfund cleanup site in one season. Massive roster turnover means even big schools don't always reload.

[El Paso Eagle]

24 minutes ago, GrandGreen said:

So the coaching changes at UT and their enormous media coverage plus one of the biggest budgets in college football were all minor factors compared to NIL?

Your second point is completely inmaterial, every D1 team is buying players to some degree.  The bigger the program, usually the bigger the fanbase and the money for NIL available.  

Again, it looks like you're trying to grasp straws. They had not won a conference championship in 10-plus years. If you do not think that having the money to throw around has not made a giant difference in who they're getting, then it's good for you to live in your world. As far as Oregon, yes, teams are buying, but not many people have on of the wealthier people around who has repeated time and are willing to spend whatever it takes to bring championships are a little different than most schools.

Edited December 9 by El Paso Eagle

[rcade]

26 minutes ago, GrandGreen said:

I assume if QB Morris stays in the portal; that Coach Morris will not use him in the bowl game.  

Given how much Eric Morris needs a win in this bowl game, I think that if Chandler wants to play he'd be crazy not to let him.

[MCMLXXX]

5 hours ago, meanJewGreen said:

We were all fretting about New Mexico or Florida, but honestly for a team that lost 5 straight and hung on to beat a bad Temple team to get bowl eligibility, we did amazing with our bowl destination

1. Date- a Friday after NYD, 3 PM, many folks havent officially started their working year yet, nothing else on 

2. Location - Dallas, a smaller stadium (full stadium looks better on TV), most of our alumni are here , also accessible by public transit

3. Opponent- Texas State- who filled the stadium last year, and who travels well and is an in state foe

 

I dont know who we bribed to make this happen, but its way better than having to go to the myrtle beach bowl... though I feel bad for our players they dont get to travel 

 

Just now, rcade said:

Given how much Eric Morris needs a win in this bowl game, I think that if Chandler wants to play he'd be crazy not to let him.

Good opportunity for CM to showcase his skills.

[Old Denton]

Hard to think he's going anywhere but TSUSM.  Clearly injured shoulder (to what degree, unknown, but those sailing passes speak for themselves).  Announcing the day after bowl announcement is also a giveaway.  Won't play against his soon-to-be new team.  All TSUSM has to do is match our NIL or bump it slightly.

[TripleGrad]

53 minutes ago, GrandGreen said:

I doubt there is one team in the NCAA, who now thinks NIL is a good idea.   Not Alabama or ULM.  

SMU probably di$agree$

[rcade]

Just now, Old Denton said:

Announcing the day after bowl announcement is also a giveaway.  Won't play against his soon-to-be new team.

I don't know about that idea. It is the norm in college football for players to announce they are hitting the portal after the season but before the bowls. Twenty four FSU players left before the Orange Bowl last year and it wasn't because they were transferring to Georgia.

[UNTLifer]

2 hours ago, keith said:

Really?  The QB is the most important position on the team.  If Chandler Morris wasn't playing for us this year we would have trotted out one of the two freshman and would have been lucky to win 2 games and could have easily gone 0-12.

Really?  You think it was all or nothing with Chandler Morris.  I would feel comfortable stating that if CM wasn't playing for us this year, that we would have signed another transfer.

Edited December 9 by UNTLifer

[Marcelo]

Got excited at first because I read "Eric Morris" at first ....oh well. 

[untbowler]

7 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

Really?  You think it was all of nothing with Chandler Morris.  I would feel comfortable stating that if CM wasn't playing for us this year, that we would have signed another transfer.

I think the team still wins 4 or 5 games without Chandler, the front 6 games were pretty easy except for TTU, we got lucky in the FAU game because CM stunk up the joint the entire first half. Maybe having a QB without a savor complex looking for stats may have led the bus better.

[Meangreen Fight]

1 hour ago, UNTLifer said:

Nope. I’m not giving shit to the NIL. It is not built as intended. Why should I invest in something that doesn’t give two shits about me?

Yep, I get nothing not even a ticket to the game or a tax credit.  But if you tell me we are trying to hire Coach Sanders and he is bringing his son, Travis Hunter, and other 4 stars with him get me on $150 per month payment plan.   The Adminstration had the opportunity to at least SAY we want to play the game by not using a weather aided victory over UTSA make us retain mediocre coach (now unemployed AGAIN "offensive genius" who could only figure out how to get ONE QB in 7 years to play well) and pursue big fish coaches like Sanders.  We said NO and hired Seth 2.0.

[Green Otaku]

32 minutes ago, GrandGreen said:

I fail to see the connection.  Filing suits in itself is very expensive and losing obviously can have disastrous consequences.

You said:

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Antitrust laws are directed against monopolies, and if there is any application at all to NIL; it would be to hinder NIL not support it.  

From the article:

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But the organization has suffered a string of losses in court, highlighted by a 9-0 decision from the Supreme Court in 2021 in which justices ruled that the NCAA cannot limit education-related benefits colleges offer their athletes. In a blistering concurring opinion in the case, Justice Brett Kavanaugh suggested the organization may be violating antitrust law.

 

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Details of the settlement were released Friday. The proposal would potentially settle some other antitrust claims, including:

— A case in California whose plaintiffs include Duke football player Dewayne Carter, TCU basketball player Sedona Prince and Stanford soccer player Nya Harrison. It seeks to bar the NCAA from enforcing any rules that prohibit athlete compensation.

— Hubbard vs. the NCAA, which seeks damages for athletes who were denied education-related stipends that were the result of the Alston case. The plaintiffs include former Oklahoma State running back Chuba Hubbard and former Auburn track athlete Keira McCarrell, and the lawsuit seeks triple damages for all current and former Division I athletes as far back as 2018.

— A similar lawsuit seeking to lift NCAA rules on compensation from schools and conferences filed in federal court by former Colorado football player Alex Fontenot in November 2023. A judge has ruled the case should remain in Colorado.

 

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Is NIL compensation a settled issue?

No, though the writing seems to be on the wall with the House case and other developments. The attorneys general of Tennessee and Virginia filed a federal lawsuit that challenged the NCAA’s NIL rules after it was revealed the University of Tennessee was among schools facing potential infractions penalties. A judge Feb. 23 granted a preliminary injunction against the NIL rules and said they likely violate antitrust law.

 

 

Is it so hard to admit you're wrong? We all misspeak.

[Green with Envy]

17 minutes ago, Old Denton said:

Hard to think he's going anywhere but TSUSM.  Clearly injured shoulder (to what degree, unknown, but those sailing passes speak for themselves).  Announcing the day after bowl announcement is also a giveaway.  Won't play against his soon-to-be new team.  All TSUSM has to do is match our NIL or bump it slightly.

I don't even think they have to match.  Your last ride playing for your dad.   Very hard to put a price on that.   We'd all love that opportunity and some of us would probably pay for it ourselves. 

CM is likely to enter the coaching ranks and probably has a pretty good nest egg already setup.   Money doesn't always have to be a driver. 

 

That said, SWT could be backing up the Brinks truck, WTF do I know?

[Mean Green 93-98]

3 hours ago, KingDL1 said:

And now, the dam will break. I expect to lose all our top players. The NCAA should be sued. 

The NCAA deserves a lot of criticism for a lot of faults, but this isn't their fault.  Legal and government action forced them into the present chaos.

[Mean Green 93-98]

1 hour ago, GrandGreen said:

I doubt there is one team in the NCAA, who now thinks NIL is a good idea.   Not Alabama or ULM.  

SMU.

[UNTLifer]

1 hour ago, untjim1995 said:

UTSA has a giant advantage of us and others in the AAC. They are in a pro market with no pro football team, a huge city with a strong civic pride—like a bigger version of Fort Worth.

Denton will NEVER be this for UNT. You can try to make them do it or believe they’ll want to do it,  but they’ll just disappoint you.

Like El Paso?

[Mean Green 93-98]

1 hour ago, Jonnyeagle said:

This NIL sucks.  They are doing zero for UNT.  We need our own alums running this thing for goodness sakes.

That's what we had previously.  It wasn't working.  That's why they've outsourced it with this new company who has had success doing it for other schools.

[Meangreen Fight]

1 hour ago, untjim1995 said:

UTSA has a giant advantage of us and others in the AAC. They are in a pro market with no pro football team, a huge city with a strong civic pride—like a bigger version of Fort Worth.

Denton will NEVER be this for UNT. You can try to make them do it or believe they’ll want to do it,  but they’ll just disappoint you.

Just excuses are all I see.  This program half ass tries then some of us make excuses for the half ass attempts.  The ONLY coach hire I didn't immediately question since Dickey was fired was Coach Mac.  This mediocre second season was predictable as washing your car when there is a 20% chance of rain the next day and getting it rained on.  They hired a Seth clone who made a short stop at FCS. 🙄

Hell they could've tired money whipping Traylor into coming to North Texas.  The publicity and extra spice to the rivalry even if he turned us down would have been a positive.

It isn't about Denton.  Nobody is invested into a program that refuses to swing big. 

You talk about San Antonio like it is some College Football Nirvana.  Well tell me about Tampa?  USF is in Tampa.  They have a football team and they since starting football in 1997 and FBS level in 2001 have complied 11 bowl appearances, 7 wins.  They have also beat several top 25 ranked teams during that period.

But UNT brings back mediocre coaches with NOTHING in the trophy case for a 7th and lame duck year everybody saw a mile away then follow that up with allowing a first time FBS level coach to retain the worse DC in all of college football and it is "Denton's Culture" at fault for not supporting it.  That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.  I grew up in Denton before returning from the Army to go to school at UNT.   I was surprised that we had ever played Division I (Now FBS) football because since my birth they have been a mediocre FCS team that nobody had a reason to talk about.   

Mean Green Football has beaten down any support it may have had before its time in FCS (I-AA) with all the losing.  Not just losing but embarrassing blowouts whenever we get the chance against traditional power from the state of Texas even lowly SMU when they are decent.  There are local media personalities at all the radio and TV networks in DFW that would love an opportunity to brag on UNT Football and they RARELY give them one.   So this Denton native who know what a shitty program this has been for most of past +40 years is disappointed on behave of all Denton natives. 

[RBP79]

CM and DT both drew blanks the last half of the season. I lost faith in both long before the season ended. Too many injuries including CM(Imo) pretty much killed any momentum that we had from the 5 wins.

This at least will make the bowl interesting not knowing anything about a replacement team that barely made it to .500 ball with the original fall team. If by chance they get a bowl win then maybe EM was playing the wrong personnel all season.

[Cougar King]

Might as well let the true freshman walk-on and that McCollum kid split starting reps at the bowl game and see what they can do. 

 

The bar is already in Hell anyway, things can't get any worse.

Edited December 9 by Cougar King

[NT80]

It would be nice to hear the Head Coach or AD speak about these defections, their availability for the Bowl, where we are in NIL, replacements, etc.   

Too much info given by "X" or twitter, but not the Athletic Department.  They want fans to invest in the program, NIL, Bowl and Season tickets...but without a current company prospectus!