Bye Bye Chandler Morris

97and03 · December 9

5 minutes ago, rcade said:

TheLinkU is run by two University of Houston grads. Are fans really funding a UNT NIL through a tech startup that is setting up collective donation pages for a bunch of different schools -- and no doubt taking a generous cut for themselves?

That was this AD’s decision…

NT80 · December 9

I feel he regressed as our season went on.
His accuracy and control of the offense was too rushed and lacking in our losing streak.
Next QB up!

Greendylan · December 9

19 minutes ago, Green Otaku said:

JD confirmed we are bottom 3 in the AAC for NIL. We simply don't have the $$ to keep players here.

Right, but UTSA didn't either. Then they did . . . because they raised the money. I'm just saying the AD, the collectives they work with, and our alums all need to get a lot better at playing this game. It's not a static reality that we now and forever will be bottom three in the conference.

rcade · December 9

1 minute ago, 97and03 said:

That was this AD’s decision…

TheLinkU really gives me confidence with the cookie cutter pages for different schools.

https://www.thelinku.com/donate/university-of-north-texas

https://www.thelinku.com/donate/SouthAlabama

https://www.thelinku.com/donate/college-of-charleston--south-carolina

GBarksdale · December 9

5 minutes ago, 3_n_out said:

This is the nature of the beast, sadly. Not surprised nor angry. It’ll just be a year-to-year thing for G5 football.

If CM gets more money to play somewhere else, I can’t fault him. Besides, this OL wasn’t good and he’d be running a lot trying to dodge DLmen. Hard to pass up $$$ while possibly moving on to a better team.

This will continue to decimate a lot G5 teams. I predict we’ll eventually see schools cut their losses and start shutting down their programs because they just can’t compete in this brave new world.

TheColonyEagle · December 9

6 minutes ago, GBarksdale said:

I predict we’ll eventually see schools cut their losses and start shutting down their programs because they just can’t compete in this brave new world.

If they're smart they will. Not really sure what the point of having a football program is anymore. Short of finally breaking off and having a new division.

GBarksdale · December 9

5 minutes ago, TheColonyEagle said:

If they're smart they will. Not really sure what the point of having a football program is anymore. Short of finally breaking off and having a new division.

Yeah I think this is the alternative scenario.

Meangreen Fight · December 9

2 hours ago, StealthEagle84 said:

This right here makes it harder and harder for me to invest in the program. Very sad that this is the state of college football, especially for non P4 schools. We are just a breeding ground for kids to get better and move on. If we have a high school recruit produce, they're gone. If we have a transfer produce, they're gone. I'm all for these athletes being compensated but they've got to get some guardrails on this thing.

Nope, you can't do that if the programs don't have any "business guardrails". And college football elite have shown, they have no interest in fair business practices unless a lawsuit forces them to. When everybody but the players started making more than all the Academic Department heads nobody cried it was unfair. Now the only "guardrail" that will be available for revenue sports will be making the scholarship players employees like graduate student teachers assistants. They will probably have 2 year contract and their tuition will be part of their compensation package. I think the average coach's salary will likely decrease. College Football Mafia is NOT interested in LEVELING the playing field. So whatever happens it is going to be an utter mess and still not very good for college sports. They want still reserve the advantage of being able to money whip players into transferring away from a "poorer school" to a "richer one". If players got big bonuses (just like the coaches) for playing in and wining bowl games maybe not nearly as many would sit out.

Edited December 9 by Meangreen Fight

rcade · December 9

13 minutes ago, GBarksdale said:

This will continue to decimate a lot G5 teams. I predict we’ll eventually see schools cut their losses and start shutting down their programs because they just can’t compete in this brave new world.

I don't expect shutdowns but it does make the FCS more attractive, as does the effort to create two superconferences like the NFL and leave all other FBS schools on the outside looking in.

Green Otaku · December 9

14 minutes ago, Greendylan said:

Right, but UTSA didn't either. Then they did . . . because they raised the money. I'm just saying the AD, the collectives they work with, and our alums all need to get a lot better at playing this game. It's not a static reality that we now and forever will be bottom three in the conference.

Agree, it's just that we've been bad at this game for a very long time, decades and decades long. It has been historically hard to raise funds at UNT, be it for academics or sports. Trends that last decades are hard to overturn unless you are aggressive and really push for change, so again you are right, so why aren't we seeing that push? Until we do we won't change the trend.

wardly · December 9

40 minutes ago, MEAN GREEN TO THE MOON said:

We offered 500k and he still walked. Screw him, let him go. He came here to play for Coach Morris and rejuvenate his career, and that's exactly what happened. Zero loyalty. If I were the coaching staff I would focus the NIL money we do have on other positions and a) develop young QBs and b) get mid-tier QBs to transfer in here knowing that if they have a good season they will leave. Coach Morris has proved that he can develop QBs, and we as fans of the program have proved collectively we won't give the money to NIL needed to keep these guys, so it is what it is.

DONATE TO OUR NIL. AS LITTLE AS $500 ADDS UP. JUST THINK, 20 GUYS ON HERE GIVING $500 is $10k, WHICH IS THE GOING RATE FOR A GOOD PLAYER IN THE PORTAL/CURRENTLY ON THE ROSTER THAT IS/WILL START FOR US DAY 1 (NON-QB). TO DONATE, CLICK HERE: https://www.thelinku.com/donate/university-of-north-texas

We offered him $500,000?

MeanGreen2024 · December 9

1 hour ago, Matt from A700 said:

I'm sure we will find a solid replacement next year, but I still want to win a bowl game dammit. Gonna be nearly impossible if Mestemaker is our best option.

Mestemaker has been the back up, but does he really give us the best chance to win? Cash showed what he could do in the spring game. He also won a state championship in high school and statistically one of the top QB's career wise to play in Texas HS football. Mestemaker has never started a game at QB in his life.

Meangreen Fight · December 9

16 minutes ago, GBarksdale said:

This will continue to decimate a lot G5 teams. I predict we’ll eventually see schools cut their losses and start shutting down their programs because they just can’t compete in this brave new world.

I think most with significant winning history will likely drop down to FCS or even Division II rather than shutdown completely. Hell if we could get 90% of the following teams: UTSA, Texas State, La Tech, Tulane, Rice, Texas State, Sam Houston, Tulsa, UTEP, Arkansa State, Louisiana (ULL), ULM in our FCS conference I might even prefer that.

peanuts104 · December 9

12 minutes ago, MeanGreen2024 said:

Mestemaker has never started a game at QB in his life.

~~He was starting QB his junior year, then a big time transfer came in during his senior season.~~

never mind i was wrong

https://www.maxpreps.com/tx/austin/vandegrift-vipers/athletes/drew-mestemaker/football/stats/?careerid=epmv9s350cg22

Edited December 9 by peanuts104

UNTLifer · December 9

1 hour ago, MeanGreen_MBA said:

How about each gives $100 per year. We would be golden

Nope. I’m not giving shit to the NIL. It is not built as intended. Why should I invest in something that doesn’t give two shits about me?

MeanGreen2024 · December 9

2 minutes ago, peanuts104 said:

He was starting QB his junior year, then a big time transfer came in during his senior season.

He was not the starter his junior year. He threw 13 passes as a backup. And his senior year he threw 17 passes as a backup. He was the starting punter in high school.

MeanGreenTexan · December 9

5 minutes ago, peanuts104 said:

He was starting QB his junior year, then a big time transfer came in during his senior season.

That makes me feel a lot better about losing Morris.

MeanGreen2024 · December 9

Just now, MeanGreenTexan said:

That makes me feel a lot better about losing Morris.

He didn't start his junior year. He was a back up that threw 13 passes.

Green Otaku · December 9

22 minutes ago, Meangreen Fight said:

Nope, you can't do that if the programs don't have any "business guardrails". And college football elite have shown, they have no interest in fair business practices unless a lawsuit forces them to. When everybody but the players started making more than all the Academic Department heads nobody cried it was unfair. Now the only "guardrail" that will be available for revenue sports will be making the scholarship players employees like graduate student teachers assistants. They will probably have 2 year contract and their tuition will be part of their compensation package. I think the average coach's salary will likely decrease. College Football Mafia is NOT interested in LEVELING the playing field. So whatever happens it is going to be an utter mess and still not very good for college sports. They want still reserve the advantage of being able to money whip players into transferring away from a "poorer school" to a "richer one". If players got big bonuses for playing in and wining bowl games not nearly as many would sit out.

Spot on, especially the bolded.

Big Z · December 9

41 minutes ago, NT80 said:

I feel he regressed as our season went on.
His accuracy and control of the offense was too rushed and lacking in our losing streak.
Next QB up!

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MeanGreenTexan · December 9

Just now, MeanGreen2024 said:

He didn't start his junior year. He was a back up that threw 13 passes.

That makes me feel a lot better about losing Morris.

untjim1995 · December 9

34 minutes ago, Greendylan said:

Right, but UTSA didn't either. Then they did . . . because they raised the money. I'm just saying the AD, the collectives they work with, and our alums all need to get a lot better at playing this game. It's not a static reality that we now and forever will be bottom three in the conference.

UTSA has a giant advantage of us and others in the AAC. They are in a pro market with no pro football team, a huge city with a strong civic pride—like a bigger version of Fort Worth.

Denton will NEVER be this for UNT. You can try to make them do it or believe they’ll want to do it, but they’ll just disappoint you.

peanuts104 · December 9

7 minutes ago, MeanGreen2024 said:

He was not the starter his junior year. He threw 13 passes as a backup. And his senior year he threw 17 passes as a backup. He was the starting punter in high school.

Oops, I don't know why I thought he played more his junior year.

GBarksdale · December 9

7 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

Nope. I’m not giving shit to the NIL. It is not built as intended. Why should I invest in something that doesn’t give two shits about me?

If guys are getting $$$ then end the scholarships. They now have the money to pay for their own education. Just let them be semipro players. Because that’s what this really is now.

Matt from A700 · December 9

16 minutes ago, MeanGreen2024 said:

Mestemaker has been the back up, but does he really give us the best chance to win? Cash showed what he could do in the spring game. He also won a state championship in high school and statistically one of the top QB's career wise to play in Texas HS football. Mestemaker has never started a game at QB in his life.

I really would have liked to see Cash in Mestemaker's opportunities.