Not thrilled about playing State

[keith]

13 hours ago, Cooke County Kid said:

This is a Great Opportunity, when we beat them it will show that we are indeed ahead of them as a program and institution, if we lose not so good. 

We were an SBC team when we beat Cincinnati in the New Orleans Bowl and look at them now.  So maybe there is a faint silverish lining if we are not able to pull off the win.  Hahahaha. 

[MeanGreenTexan]

11 hours ago, Cooley said:

From an historical perspective, I understand his sentiments. We were clearly the better program for a number of years.  They have continued to improve on the field and we have not. They're not a better program today; although their current day success. Rightfully or not, this is the same feeling SMU has had toward us, forever. 

I've always felt, we are the un-luckiest program in the country in terms of elevating the program. We see signs on the field then regress. Props to Southwest Texas State. I can't get excited either thinking back to those Southland Conference days together at Fouts Field.      

This right here.     
We have a ton of people with big-picture blinders on, looking at this game myopically.

When talking about the actual competition on the gridiorn, CORRECT (sadly), we're not "above" them.

When stepping back to look at the state of each school's football teams... UNT left the SLC in 1996, and have spun our wheels, generally speaking, for 3 decades.   
SWT left the SLC in 2012, and here we are, still spinning wheels, sweating a loss to a program we had an almost 2 decade head start on.

[HouCat]

On 12/9/2024 at 10:16 AM, MeanGreenTexan said:

This right here.     
We have a ton of people with big-picture blinders on, looking at this game myopically.

When talking about the actual competition on the gridiorn, CORRECT (sadly), we're not "above" them.

When stepping back to look at the state of each school's football teams... UNT left the SLC in 1996, and have spun our wheels, generally speaking, for 3 decades.   
SWT left the SLC in 2012, and here we are, still spinning wheels, sweating a loss to a program we had an almost 2 decade head start on.

Lord knows we've had our own problems...we were snubbed for bowls two years in a row after moving to FBS and then proceeded to crap the bed for almost a decade under two different coaches. Our recent success hasn't come easy and we're grateful for the progress we've made as a program.

That being said I don't think any Bobcats think ya'll are above us (just being honest) and looking at the metrics you'd be hard pressed to find a more equal pairing of in-state institutions.

• Both schools founded in the 1890s as teacher colleges
• Both have 40k+ students and ~400k alumni
• Both have respectable endowments (TXST has about $100m more in the bank)
• Both have respectable athletics budgets (NTX spends about $10m more per year)

Looking down on folks is a funny thing...sometimes you're the pigeon, and sometimes you're the statue.

[meangreenfaninno]

31 minutes ago, HouCat said:

Lord knows we've had our own problems...we were snubbed for bowls two years in a row after moving to FBS and then proceeded to crap the bed for almost a decade under two different coaches. Our recent success hasn't come easy and we're grateful for the progress we've made as a program.

That being said I don't think any Bobcats think ya'll are above us (just being honest) and looking at the metrics you'd be hard pressed to find a more equal pairing of in-state institutions.

• Both schools founded in the 1890s as teacher colleges
• Both have 40k+ students and ~400k alumni
• Both have respectable endowments (TXST has about $100m more in the bank)
• Both have respectable athletics budgets (NTX spends about $10m more per year)

Looking down on folks is a funny thing...sometimes you're the pigeon, and sometimes you're the statue.

Yes you will find most of us on here have been supportive of Texas State and would trade you for those San Antonio bums any day of the week!  Love your campus also.

[trud1966]

Beneath us????????  Have we not learned by now, NOBODY should be considered beneath us...NEVER....It's NEVER "in the bag...."   It's time to add a lil GREEN to this Christmas Tree...

Edited 16 hours ago by trud1966

[HouCat]

43 minutes ago, meangreenfaninno said:

Yes you will find most of us on here have been supportive of Texas State and would trade you for those San Antonio bums any day of the week!  Love your campus also.

Thank you for the kind words. We don’t hate many things but those bums in San Antonio are at the top of our list.

[Cougar King]

2 hours ago, HouCat said:

Lord knows we've had our own problems...we were snubbed for bowls two years in a row after moving to FBS and then proceeded to crap the bed for almost a decade under two different coaches. Our recent success hasn't come easy and we're grateful for the progress we've made as a program.

That being said I don't think any Bobcats think ya'll are above us (just being honest) and looking at the metrics you'd be hard pressed to find a more equal pairing of in-state institutions.

• Both schools founded in the 1890s as teacher colleges
• Both have 40k+ students and ~400k alumni
• Both have respectable endowments (TXST has about $100m more in the bank)
• Both have respectable athletics budgets (NTX spends about $10m more per year)

Looking down on folks is a funny thing...sometimes you're the pigeon, and sometimes you're the statue.

 

Both got smacked by Houston.

[HouCat]

1 hour ago, Cougar King said:

 

Both got smacked by Houston.

Not in 2012 you didn’t. I was at that game and the Bobcats straight smacked yall up and down The Rob.

[GMG_Dallas]

Houston and Texas State fans/alumni arguing on a North Texas fanboard. What a time to be alive.

[Cougar King]

2 hours ago, HouCat said:

Not in 2012 you didn’t. I was at that game and the Bobcats straight smacked yall up and down The Rob.

 

What happened when we played after that? And after that?

[MeanGreenTexan]

14 hours ago, HouCat said:

Lord knows we've had our own problems...we were snubbed for bowls two years in a row after moving to FBS and then proceeded to crap the bed for almost a decade under two different coaches. Our recent success hasn't come easy and we're grateful for the progress we've made as a program.

That being said I don't think any Bobcats think ya'll are above us (just being honest) and looking at the metrics you'd be hard pressed to find a more equal pairing of in-state institutions.

• Both schools founded in the 1890s as teacher colleges
• Both have 40k+ students and ~400k alumni
• Both have respectable endowments (TXST has about $100m more in the bank)
• Both have respectable athletics budgets (NTX spends about $10m more per year)

Looking down on folks is a funny thing...sometimes you're the pigeon, and sometimes you're the statue.

Thank you for backing up what I said.   The mess is in our house sir.   We're the school stuck in neutral despite the head start.

Hope y'all have fun at the bowl game.

[UNT78]

We should schedule Texas State as much as we can, home and home! 

[MeanGreenTexan]

7 minutes ago, UNT78 said:

We should schedule Texas State as much as we can, home and home! 

[keith]

I'm looking forward to the game.  In-state bragging rights up for grabs and a good built-in storyline with the two head coaches going head-to-head.  Should be a lot of hype leading up to the game.  I know we have a couple games on future schedules, but it would be good to rekindle the series.  Give me an annual matchup against Texas State over the likes of South Alabama or any FCS opponent.   

I'm not going to call this a litmus test for coach Morris, but it's pretty close to one.  His tenure has not gotten off to the start we were sold on.  In fact it's been pretty disappointing.

In two seasons, Morris has a record of 11-13 (.458).  Those 11 wins have come against teams with a collective record of 45-87 (.341).  His signature win is against South Alabama who finished 6-6 in the regular season this year, but did win their bowl game to finish 7-6 to become only the second team with a "winning" record he's beaten (FCS SFA at 7-5 is the other).  Ouch.

2 of the 11 or 18.2% of coach Morris's wins have come against FCS opponents.

4 of the 11 or 36.4% of coach Morris's wins have come against teams named Tulsa and Temple.

This is going to be an important game for coach Morris.  I hate to utter these words, but is this  an "opportunity" game?  If we win, he will get a little bit of a lift and goodwill for the program and his tenure so far.  If we lose or do so in embarrassing fashion, I think his time here is running out.  Of course, I don't know how we treat bowl games anymore.  They run the spectrum of meaningless exhibition games to the game that defines a coach's legacy.  Should be fun.

 

 

[HouCat]

10 hours ago, Cougar King said:

 

What happened when we played after that? And after that?

Not sure, I wasn't at those games. I don't keep up with Houston Commuter Colleges.

[HouCat]

2 hours ago, keith said:

I'm looking forward to the game.  In-state bragging rights up for grabs and a good built-in storyline with the two head coaches going head-to-head.  Should be a lot of hype leading up to the game.  I know we have a couple games on future schedules, but it would be good to rekindle the series.  Give me an annual matchup against Texas State over the likes of South Alabama or any FCS opponent.   

I'm not going to call this a litmus test for coach Morris, but it's pretty close to one.  His tenure has not gotten off to the start we were sold on.  In fact it's been pretty disappointing.

In two seasons, Morris has a record of 11-13 (.458).  Those 11 wins have come against teams with a collective record of 45-87 (.341).  His signature win is against South Alabama who finished 6-6 in the regular season this year, but did win their bowl game to finish 7-6 to become only the second team with a "winning" record he's beaten (FCS SFA at 7-5 is the other).  Ouch.

2 of the 11 or 18.2% of coach Morris's wins have come against FCS opponents.

4 of the 11 or 36.4% of coach Morris's wins have come against teams named Tulsa and Temple.

This is going to be an important game for coach Morris.  I hate to utter these words, but is this  an "opportunity" game?  If we win, he will get a little bit of a lift and goodwill for the program and his tenure so far.  If we lose or do so in embarrassing fashion, I think his time here is running out.  Of course, I don't know how we treat bowl games anymore.  They run the spectrum of meaningless exhibition games to the game that defines a coach's legacy.  Should be fun.

 

 

Should be a great turnout, who knows what will happen with both teams suffering big losses to the portal.