I hope SMU loses by 47

[NT80]

5 hours ago, dodgefan said:

This is a pay subscriber site like Rivals and 247, are you a member to this SMU site?

[CMJ]

35 minutes ago, TIgreen01 said:

The system is backwards is what I’m saying.  It should not be setup so that a conference championship game is considered anything other than a must win game.  A playoff field picked by a committee is lame.

I think every (or nearly every) NCAA field is also set by a committee.  They all have auto-qualifiers and and at-large selections.  Take the Big Dance - there are 32 auto-bids going to conference champs and 36 at-large selections.

Edited Monday at 05:04 PM by CMJ

[TIgreen01]

20 minutes ago, CMJ said:

I think every (or nearly every) NCAA field is also set by a committee.  They all have auto-qualifiers and and at-large selections.  Take the Big Dance - there are 32 auto-bids going to conference champs and 36 at-large selections.

Yep, EVERY conference has a bid.  Winning your conference guarantees you a bid.  Don’t win it and you leave it up to a committee to decide.  Winning matters.  We don’t have that in D1 FBS football.

[CMJ]

It's still a field largely made by a committee was my point.

[Meangreen Fight]

9 minutes ago, TIgreen01 said:

The system is backwards is what I’m saying.  It should not be setup so that a conference championship game is considered anything other than a must win game.  A playoff field picked by a committee is lame.

Yep, there are many solutions to this "made up" problem.  But the real problem is you can NEVER satisfy the GREED of the rich.  Nobody 30 years ago was complaining that we needed 14, 16, or 18 member conferences to insure we had quality games on TV.   But I do remember that we did complain that the richest programs in the sport scheduled FCS and barely functioning G5 level FBS to get two extra home games every year.  It boils down to they want to SAY they are better than all the other conferences WITHOUT PLAYING them.  It is garbage and has always been garbage.   Now with these super conferences they have reduced the data points we have IN CONFERENCE to reduce argument that a team that didn't even participate in their conference championship game might actually be the best team in the conference.  Miami did not even play Clemson nor SMU this year.  Is it crazy that to believe that  2 loss team in the same conference with a 3 loss team is actually better?  The college presidents could get together with the media distributers tomorrow and fix college athletics for the long term benefit of the sport but they won't and it is just as easy as this.

1.  No Conferences greater than 12 FBS teams

2. Games against FCS can be played but not counted in your record

3.  Only true home and home contracts can be signed for FBS vs FBS competition

4.  Strength of  best out of conference victory is included as the 3rd tiebreaker in conference standings

5.  The media money will be distributed in a negotiated settlement pro-rated by the average annual  payout the teams would have received with their old super conference payout till 2030.   At the end of 2030 season all media contracts are void and the new 12 FBS team max conferences can negotiate new contracts.   TV Distribution payout for non-conference  games belong to the home team exclusively and not shared with their conference.  The can sign side deal splitting the TV money for the out of conference FBS games 50/50 or some variation as long as the home team gets 50% of the gross.

6.  Go to 6 bowl winner playoff after all traditional bowls are restored to the period between December 30 - Jan 3.  Team 1 & 2 automatically in the semi final.  Sixth Seed at Third Seed (or suitable alternate venue third seed chooses.  In my delusional dream that would be 4th seeded bowl winner Mean Green  AT&T or renovated Cotton Bowl weather permitting for example and a 3rd seeded Boise State might choose Seattle Seahawk's stadium)

 

To judge these conferences we versus one another we need more data points plain and simple.   A system that calls Army an 11-1 team FBS but not eligible for the playoffs is subjective garbage.   Army could have just as easily scheduled  Vandy out of conference went undefeated and been in the CFP.  CFP committee did nothing wrong but tried to make sense out of a subjective mess.  These super conferences are a big greedy mess and DO NOTHING to add value to the overall product that is college football.   All the blue blood programs could have kept their smaller conferences from 30-40 years ago intact added a conference championship game.   They also could tweaked the conferences and kicked out dead weight like Rice, Temple, Vanderbilt, Rutgers, Northwestern and SMU.  College Football is like boxing in all the worse ways except boxers PAYING to duck other fighter who actually wanted to fight them because they thought they could beat them.  SMU kiss the ring and paid the College Football Mafia to get a legit shot at the title.  Meanwhile that same Mafia wants us to look the other way while they murdered the SWC, Pac 12, and made several attempts to murder the Big 12. 🙄

I wonder if Alabama would give SMU all their FBS 2024 SEC money and CFP money share to take SMU's place in the playoff?  

Ole Miss, South Carolina, and Bama go bury your heads in money pillows as cry all you want.   I for one hope SMU boat races perpetually over rated  Pedo-Protectors Penn State by 47.   I don't like SMU but I appreciate Karma!

 

 

[untjim1995]

18 hours ago, Meangreen Fight said:

Whatever this program is underachieving all on its own.  We just use “SMU backstabbing” as an excuse and while our program does things like bring back the worst DC in all of FBS especially if you considered salary verses performance as a metric.

You are very much correct on the self-inflicted part. But I also believe that if we had gotten into the SWC or Big 8 back then, our view of football and basketball would be MUCH different. First of all, it would’ve cemented us as a legitimate program. Two, it would have gotten us DFW media coverage we never got. And three, the most important, is that the the drop down to 1-AA, when we didn’t have to stay there for so long and at the same time as the hey day of those two conferences nationally, we wouldn’t have nuked decades of support from alumni and students. Instead, alums from the 40s thru the 90s basically walked away and gave the current p4 schools a ton of t-shirt fans with UNT degrees. And that is why everything is self-inflicted. We gave up without completely giving up like UTA did.

[Meangreen Fight]

11 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

You are very much correct on the self-inflicted part. But I also believe that if we had gotten into the SWC or Big 8 back then, our view of football and basketball would be MUCH different. First of all, it would’ve cemented us as a legitimate program. Two, it would have gotten us DFW media coverage we never got. And three, the most important, is that the the drop down to 1-AA, when we didn’t have to stay there for so long and at the same time as the hey day of those two conferences nationally, we wouldn’t have nuked decades of support from alumni and students. Instead, alums from the 40s thru the 90s basically walked away and gave the current p4 schools a ton of t-shirt fans with UNT degrees. And that is why everything is self-inflicted. We gave up without completely giving up like UTA did.

And it seems like most of the leadership and fans have learned nothing from that period.  I still can't explain with any solid logic to my DFW area friends why our program didn't at least publicly pursuit Coach Sanders and fire Seth Littrell a season earlier than we did.  The last decade in college football was just as a dramatic inflection point as the end of the College Football Alliance.   And we needed to do something dramatic and attention grabbing more than a fake out punt return.  It seems we have no desire to do anything dramatic.  You don't followup Mac with Littrell with any respect to maintaining or growing any credibility beyond what the improving the facilities did.   And those facility improvements came late.

[untjim1995]

6 hours ago, Meangreen Fight said:

And it seems like most of the leadership and fans have learned nothing from that period.  I still can't explain with any solid logic to my DFW area friends why our program didn't at least publicly pursuit Coach Sanders and fire Seth Littrell a season earlier than we did.  The last decade in college football was just as a dramatic inflection point as the end of the College Football Alliance.   And we needed to do something dramatic and attention grabbing more than a fake out punt return.  It seems we have no desire to do anything dramatic.  You don't followup Mac with Littrell with any respect to maintaining or growing any credibility beyond what the improving the facilities did.   And those facility improvements came late.

What you’ll find out is that you care more about winning football than the university does…everything here is based on the known costs of having a football program. Nothing more, nothing less, when it comes to how it’s run.

[Meangreen Fight]

10 hours ago, untjim1995 said:

What you’ll find out is that you care more about winning football than the university does…everything here is based on the known costs of having a football program. Nothing more, nothing less, when it comes to how it’s run.

Yes that is why I have decided that I watch sparingly as the program flounders and goes to some level below FBS.  

[DentonStang]

18 hours ago, Meangreen Fight said:

And it seems like most of the leadership and fans have learned nothing from that period.  I still can't explain with any solid logic to my DFW area friends why our program didn't at least publicly pursuit Coach Sanders and fire Seth Littrell a season earlier than we did.  The last decade in college football was just as a dramatic inflection point as the end of the College Football Alliance.   And we needed to do something dramatic and attention grabbing more than a fake out punt return.  It seems we have no desire to do anything dramatic.  You don't followup Mac with Littrell with any respect to maintaining or growing any credibility beyond what the improving the facilities did.   And those facility improvements came late.

Sanders would not have answered the call and wouldn't be successful at UNT anyway.

Like the Cowboys fans perpetually blaming QBs, then coaches, it's misguided. Their problem is the common denomination - Jerry Jones. Yours is your administration that is not committed to winning. It was very obvious at SMU when they weren't,  when they decided to be, and when they finally figured out how to be.

Boise has very little NIL.  Army and Navy have no NIL.  UNLV has very little NIL.  JMU? TxSt?  You could be doing vastly better, and IF coaching is a deficiency,  it's a symptom not a root cause. 

Edited Tuesday at 02:36 PM by DentonStang

[Meangreen Fight]

9 minutes ago, DentonStang said:

Sanders would not have answered the call and wouldn't be successful at UNT any

That is ridiculous negative speculation that he wouldn’t be successful here.  Because with Travis Hunter and Sanders there is no way they win less than 8 games with our weak schedules.  He would have arrived here without having to overturn the roster just to be competitive.  Seeing what he did at Colorado his FIRST year taking over a team one win the previous season.  Colorado easily could have been 6-6 if they won just 2 of the one possession games they lost.  Now if you are talking about going to the CFP in his first or second year, I might agree.  As far as him not even taking a meeting with UNT brass if they had put 3.8 million on the table as the starting point for negotiating a salary, I doubt he disrespects the opportunity outright.  If anything he would use it to make negotiations for the incentives he received from Colorado easier.  
 

But since you an expert at what the Mean Green can’t do,  why are you here @DentonStang?  🙄

[Meangreen Fight]

3 hours ago, DentonStang said:

It was very obvious at SMU when they weren't,  when they decided to be, and when they finally figured out how to be.

They only opened very deep pocket books.  🙄.  And after June Jones fizzled out they had to recalibrate build their funds up again.  Then they spent even more money smartly.   I agree we could be doing much better.  But you can’t look at our coaching hires besides Mac and say they seriously were trying anything dramatic.  And they should have let Seth Littrell walk when he flirted with KSU.  We are the only program in the country that has let a coach with no bowl wins, wins over top 25, or conference championship negotiate like he has accomplished something significant.

[DentonStang]

On 12/10/2024 at 12:10 PM, Meangreen Fight said:

That is ridiculous negative speculation that he wouldn’t be successful here.  Because with Travis Hunter and Sanders there is no way they win less than 8 games with our weak schedules.  He would have arrived here without having to overturn the roster just to be competitive.  Seeing what he did at Colorado his FIRST year taking over a team one win the previous season.  Colorado easily could have been 6-6 if they won just 2 of the one possession games they lost.  Now if you are talking about going to the CFP in his first or second year, I might agree.  As far as him not even taking a meeting with UNT brass if they had put 3.8 million on the table as the starting point for negotiating a salary, I doubt he disrespects the opportunity outright.  If anything he would use it to make negotiations for the incentives he received from Colorado easier.  
 

But since you an expert at what the Mean Green can’t do,  why are you here @DentonStang?  🙄

Does UNT have the infrastructure and admin support (degrees, compliant professors) to keep all those players eligible and to keep them out of (cover up) legal trouble?  Do you have the perks necessary to keep them happy?  

Not to mention the NIL the entire Sanders roster is built on. 

Doesn't he make over $5M at Colorado?  

Nothing stopping these things from happening but if your admin was serious enough to do them, you'd be doing them now.

It took from June's first year to Dykes term for us to figure out HOW to do these things and get them in place. That's part of why June quit on us.  The money is the easy part.

Edited yesterday at 06:12 PM by DentonStang

[NT80]

11 minutes ago, DentonStang said:

Does UNT have the infrastructure and admin support (degrees, compliant professors) to keep all those players eligible and to keep them out of (cover up) legal trouble?  Do you have the perks necessary to keep them happy?  

Not to mention the NIL the entire Sanders roster is built on. 

Doesn't he make over $5M at Colorado?  

Nothing stopping these things from happy but if your admin was serious enough to do them, you'd be doing them now.

It took from June's first year to Dykes term for us to figure out HOW to do these things and get them in place. That's part of why June quit on us.  The money is the easy part.

UTexas has as much or more NIL money than any FBS program...yet they have a kicker who can only make 50% of his field goals in a big game.  You would think they could buy the best college kicker in America, and every other position?  But no. 

Money is not the only thing needed.  Neither is the best coaching, or most fans, or a live mascot, or whatever else you can think of.   $$ can't buy wins.  It can help get closer to being competitive in most games but it won't ever guarantee a win.

[NM Green]

So who are we? If I look at UNT objectively on this age of NIL I do some of the things we are doing:

1. Get a coach who plays entertaining football. 
2. Sell the location and opportunity to display your craft, expertise. I’m talking coaches and players. Be the machine that develops and gets you access. 
3. Get a businessman who negotiates deals and hob nobs with AAC brass. Keep us in a top league that keeps its members performing. 
 

What’s missing:

1. Institutional drive beyond the hires. We’re talking a collaborative push from inside the house to make the sports scene rock for students, alumni who car and the community. 
2. A strong DC to make the entertaining football more palatable. We may have closed this gap. Time will tell. 
3. A strong Alumni Association connected and firing on all cylinders. I have no idea what is happening here. Feels disconnected broken in transition. 
4. A band that is dialed into Gameday experience creation. Love some of the things they do but they seem to do what they want to do versus being integrated into the program plan.
5. Event outreach to the community. Denton is only getting bigger. It will not be old Denton no matter how strong it tries to hold on.

So it seems like we are making some progress but we’re inside the fish bowl. We need to praise what is being done well and fire and hire on the points missed right now. Jared strikes me as a good businessman and business people know how to make tough decisions. People on alert know they are on alert. The key stakeholder here is our new president. Who is he? I’m not sure yet. He could be assessing. He could be plotting. He could be cruising. 

We’ll find out. Keep progressing. 

GMG

[Tom McKrackin]

25 minutes ago, NM Green said:

3. A strong Alumni Association connected and firing on all cylinders. I have no idea what is happening here. Feels disconnected broken in transition. 

I can speak to this.  The alumni association is comprised of good people but it is very cliquish and the leadership needs to address this.  It is hard in this day and age to get people together anymore so I feel for them.