I hope SMU loses by 47

[emmitt01]

4 minutes ago, NT93 said:

 

Would you look at it the same if it we’re UNT instead of SMU?

Yes.  They had two chances this year to get a “statement win”…they failed to do so both times.  Their destiny was in their hands.

Or, if you don’t wan to look at the strength of schedule argument, answer me this question honestly.  If you put SMU on the field against Alabama tomorrow, do you believe SMU could win.  I don’t. 

[NT93]

2 minutes ago, emmitt01 said:

Yes.  They had two chances this year to get a “statement win”…they failed to do so both times.  Their destiny was in their hands.

Or, if you don’t wan to look at the strength of schedule argument, answer me this question honestly.  If you put SMU on the field against Alabama tomorrow, do you believe SMU could win.  I don’t. 

If you put Alabama on the field against OU, do you believe OU would win?  I don’t, but they did.

”Do you think” shouldn’t be spoken by the committee members.

Edited December 8 by NT93

[TheColonyEagle]

5 minutes ago, rcade said:

SMU is about to buy each of the playoff committee members a Trans Am.

I think A&M has to pay for it right? 

[TheColonyEagle]

2 minutes ago, NT93 said:

If you put Alabama on the field against OU, do you believe OU would win?  I don’t, but they did.

”Do you think” shouldn’t be spoken by the committee members.

But that’s why they have a committee.  Otherwise go back to the BCS computers. 

[Aquila_Viridis]

Isn't it more of a question whether Clemson gets in over the Army?

[NT93]

19 minutes ago, TheColonyEagle said:

But that’s why they have a committee.  Otherwise go back to the BCS computers. 

I think Ole Miss would beat Boise.

I think aTm would be AzSt.

I think LSU would beat Penn St.

Let’s just stop playing the games and have a tournament for the SEC.

Edited December 8 by NT93

[NT93]

1 minute ago, Aquila_Viridis said:

Isn't it more of a question whether Clemson gets in over the Army?

Zero chance if this happening, because Clemson was already ranked ahead of Army.

[TheColonyEagle]

6 minutes ago, NT93 said:

I think Ole Miss would beat Boise.

I think aTm would be AzSt.

I think LSU would beat 

Let’s just stop playing the games and have a tournament for the SEC.

But Boise and Arizona State made that argument moot by winning Their conference. SMU would have if they won theirs. But they didn’t because they weren’t good enough. So they go in the blender with all the other non conference winners.  And they’re subject to the committee’s eye balls. 

Edited December 8 by TheColonyEagle

[NT93]

5 minutes ago, TheColonyEagle said:

But Boise and Arizona State made that argument moot by winning Their conference. SMU would have if they won theirs. But they didn’t because they weren’t good enough. So they go in the blender with all the other non conference winners.  And they’re subject to the committee’s eye balls. 

True, and you never want to be subject to the committee’s eye balls if you aren’t in the SEC.

[TheColonyEagle]

2 minutes ago, NT93 said:

True, and you never want to be subject to the committee’s eye balls if you aren’t in the SEC.

We’re in agreement there 

[Mean Green 93-98]

This expert thinks Bama is in and SMU is out: https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/bowl-projections-oregon-georgia-boise-state-arizona-state-headline-first-12-team-college-football-playoff/

Here's another guy making the case for Bama: https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/alabamas-case-for-college-football-playoff-berth-why-crimson-tide-deserve-spot-in-12-team-bracket/

I think it's hogwash, considering Bama would have likely been a 4-loss team if they played in their conference's championship game, but I understand it's the current reality.

Edited December 8 by Mean Green 93-98

[Aquila_Viridis]

36 minutes ago, NT93 said:

Zero chance if this happening, because Clemson was already ranked ahead of Army.

They were, before that pillow fight tonight and Army's dominating win and now overall better success.

[Mean Green 93-98]

4 minutes ago, Aquila_Viridis said:

They were, before that pillow fight tonight and Army's dominating win and now overall better success.

I'd love to see it, but it ain't happening.

[NT80]

1 hour ago, NT93 said:

They are currently ranked 8th.  How can you drop them 5 spots for losing the conference championship on a last second field goal?  Oh, I know.  Because there’s an SEC team needing the spot.

That's some of the debate coaches will have:  Does a Conference Championship game continue for some leagues?  Does it make you better or worse in the eyes of other humans (CFP committee).   $mut's coach said yesterday they should be judged before they play the game, not after....lol.   

Also, is Clemson (10-3) as ACC champ better than Army (11-1) AAC champ?   ACC Champ is not an automatic qualifier if another Champ is deemed better.

[CMJ]

I see a case for West Point over Clemson given they're both conference champions and Army one has one loss versus Clemson's three.  They each got blown out by a team who is definitely in the field (Georgia and Notre Dame), so that's a wash.  They each have some questionable OOC games (but Clemson has their rival in South Carolina who was a good team).  However, comparing the two I gotta go with the Tigers because they had more opportunities against Top 25 type competition to prove themselves worthy with a close loss against South Carlina and a win over SMU whereas the only real game the Black Knights had against that sorta competition they were crushed.  It's closer than most sports writers would assume though.

Edited December 8 by CMJ

[GMG_Dallas]

I was discussing these scenarios with a coworker Friday... all good reasons to include one team and not the other. Clemson got blown out by Georgia at the beginning of the year but now they're doing well. Army's schedule is just too weak on the OOC side. I think for G5 programs moving forward, we're going to have to schedule more of the middling P4s in OOC and schedule multiple per year. I look at UNLV playing Syracuse, Kansas, and Houston as an OOC schedule we should be working towards. Granted, it's impossible to know who will be good 5+ years in the future, we have a generally good idea on which programs are more likely to be average.

I personally would make a claim for UNLV over SMU but that's just me. SMU's only game against a currently ranked team is Clemson and they had to get to the conference championship to play them. UNLV lost to a now ranked 9-3 Syracuse by 3 in OT in their second game with a new QB. Otherwise it's two loses to 12-1 Boise State. Funnily enough SMU and UNLV have a common opponent: Nevada. SMU won 29-24, UNLV won 38-14 but SMU's game was before their QB change.

Many of these teams are closer than the committees pretend them to be. I know many are against expanding the playoffs but I'd suggest one last tweak. I'd eliminate conference championship games and instead do two "last 4 in" type games like we see in CBB. Have the top 12 get in with the top 5 regular season conference champions getting automatic bids. Current season would have just been 1 through 12 since Boise State was ranked in the top 12. Then have 13 play 16 and 14 play 15 for the final 2 spots and the winners of those games play number 3 and number 4 in the first round. Only give a first round bye to the top 2 teams. I don't see why a team who's not in can earn a spot by winning their conference with one more game but then a team who's in can suddenly lose their spot by losing to a team they maybe beat earlier. Had Boise State lost to UNLV after beating them earlier in the year, would Boise State have been out? Probably but many would have disagreed with it. Let's stop pretending that one final game means more than the previous 12.

Edited December 8 by GMG_Dallas

[GreenEggs&Ham™]

You have to admit, SMU looked really strong in the 2nd half against Clemson. This game was also played just 2.5 hrs. from Clemson which is a little unfair. If the game were played in Texas Stadium, maybe SMU would win.

 

[NT93]

The title games are going to have to go away if teams are punished for losing them while teams sitting at home benefit.  What kind of a stupid system penalizes you for reaching your conference championship game???

[TheColonyEagle]

Feels like there is a major push for SMU to get in. 

interesting though AP poll has Bama ranked above SMU 

every objective measure says Bama should get in 

SOS, SOR, game control, record vs Top 25 all favor Bama 

bama has better wins, but also worse losses. Bama 3 losses. SMU 2 losses. SMU made the conf championship game but the committee has to ask the question, “if SMU were in the SEC would they have made the championship? What would Bama have done with SMU’s schedule? What would SMu have done with Bama’s schedule?” We can hate that all we want but that’s what the committee has to hash out.

Given all that, I say they put Bama in and we’ll hear what a travesty it is for SMU. 
 

You can see why SMU is the emotional pick because the only time the media watched them all season was the 2nd half last night. The committee is supposed to overlook that. 
 

we will see

Edited December 8 by TheColonyEagle

[NT93]

7 minutes ago, TheColonyEagle said:

every objective measure says Bama should get in 

Same number of losses, SOS, SOR, game control, record vs Top 25 all favor Bama 

SMU has 2 losses, Bama has 3.

Edited December 8 by NT93

[TheColonyEagle]

5 minutes ago, NT93 said:

SMU has 2 losses, Bama has 3.

Oops that’s right 

Fixed

still say Bama but we’ll see if the committee goes the emotional route 

Edited December 8 by TheColonyEagle

[BBA1989]

If they play the school from Austin in the CFP, I can't watch or pull for either team. 

[TheColonyEagle]

That just doesn’t seem close to me….

 

[TheColonyEagle]

Well there you go 

[Big Z]

SMU gets PSU