Question regarding players entering the portal

El Paso Eagle · December 8

When players are announcing they are entering the portal is it up to the team if they allow them to stay and play in a bowl game? Or, is it safe to assume that anyone that says they are entering the portal will not be playing in their teams ball game.

P.S. thinking more of Sam Houston in this question than us for example. They've had seems like almost their entire defense hit the portal.

Mean Green 93-98 · December 8

It's at the coach's discretion. Technically, a player can already have committed to another school out of the portal and still play for his previous school, as long as he hasn't enrolled or practiced with the new school.

MeanGreen_MBA · December 8

1 hour ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

It's at the coach's discretion. Technically, a player can already have committed to another school out of the portal and still play for his previous school, as long as he hasn't enrolled or practiced with the new school.

Why would they. If they get hurt in that game, the other team will stop them

Mean Green 93-98 · December 8

What do you mean, "The other team will stop them"?

At any rate, I'm not saying that it is to be expected, I'm just saying what the rules allow.

MeanGreen_MBA · December 8

8 hours ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

What do you mean, "The other team will stop them"?

At any rate, I'm not saying that it is to be expected, I'm just saying what the rules allow.

Sorry…drop them

UNTLifer · December 9

waving good bye by Dobre Brothers Bright Fight GIF Library

MeanGreenZen · December 9

The portal can’t hurt me anymore. All these kids are going to leave. A whole new batch will come.

One thing I would be wary of if I was a player, you only have a limited opportunity in your life to play in bowl games.

Unless you are getting a BIG payday (which short of Chandler Morris, I don’t see anyone on this roster getting) I would be real careful about jumping ship and missing out on a bowl game.

Experiences are more valuable than money. Sometimes it takes a couple of decades of life to figure that out.

Most of these guys who leave in the portal are going to get less in NIL than they could make substitute teaching next year. I hope they adequately value the experience of their role in the North Texas football program.

Green with Envy · December 9

19 minutes ago, MeanGreenZen said:

Unless you are getting a BIG payday (which short of Chandler Morris, I don’t see anyone on this roster getting) I would be real careful about jumping ship and missing out on a bowl game.

surely DT will be offered some substantial bag, no?

RBP79 · December 9

After DT put out the "For Sale" sign his production went down...

greenjoe · December 9

Why would a coach allow a player that has declared he’s entering the portal to play in the bowl game ? Seems to me one of the advantages of going to a bowl game is extra practices. Why practice with a player who has indicated he is leaving ?

MeanGreen_MBA · December 9

14 minutes ago, greenjoe said:

Why would a coach allow a player that has declared he’s entering the portal to play in the bowl game ? Seems to me one of the advantages of going to a bowl game is extra practices. Why practice with a player who has indicated he is leaving ?

Plus, if he gets hurt, isn’t it the schools responsibility to keep him on scholly to be able to finish?

MeanGreenZen · December 10

9 hours ago, Green with Envy said:

surely DT will be offered some substantial bag, no?

He will certainly get more than we can pay him, but P4’s don’t break the bank for 5’8 slot receivers, no matter how productive.

If he was 6’1 and could play outside receiver vs. SEC cornerbacks that substantial bag would be his.

Green with Envy · December 10

9 hours ago, greenjoe said:

Why would a coach allow a player that has declared he’s entering the portal to play in the bowl game ? Seems to me one of the advantages of going to a bowl game is extra practices. Why practice with a player who has indicated he is leaving ?

Your best players are often the ones leaving.

Your best players typically give you a better chance at winning a bowl game.

A bowl game victory is better for recruiting and program image.

A bowl victory picks up another $35K for coach and is another skin on the wall.

Green with Envy · December 10

9 hours ago, RBP79 said:

After DT put out the "For Sale" sign his production went down...

This.

El Paso Eagle · December 10

55 minutes ago, Green with Envy said:

Your best players are often the ones leaving.

Your best players typically give you a better chance at winning a bowl game.

A bowl game victory is better for recruiting and program image.

A bowl victory picks up another $35K for coach and is another skin on the wall.

With all due respect, I would be more pissed off at my school for letting a player that has said they are leaving play than I would ever be at the player for entering the portal. If Morris was to let them play, then he can kiss my ass!

Green with Envy · December 10

11 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:

With all due respect, I would be more pissed off at my school for letting a player that has said they are leaving play than I would ever be at the player for entering the portal. If Morris was to let them play, then he can kiss my ass!

Your school doesn’t care if you’re pissed. Your school cares about winning because winning leads to money. 95% of the fans would agree and a portion of those would sell their soul for a top program annually. Sometimes you have to do things that you don’t want to do in order to get to places that you want to get.

And for the record, I don’t oppose your view. Just trying to take an open-eyed look at the other side.

meangreenfaninno · December 10

2 minutes ago, Green with Envy said:

Your school doesn’t care if you’re pissed. Your school cares about winning because winning leads to money. 95% of the fans would agree and a portion of those would sell their soul for a top program annually. Sometimes you have to do things that you don’t want to do in order to get to places that you want to get.

And for the record, I don’t oppose your view. Just trying to take an open-eyed look at the other side.

But how does your methodology respectfully make us anymore than a glorified community college.

Does the NCAA just not give a shit about the smaller programs anymore? Seems like it is very unfair.

Green with Envy · December 10

1 minute ago, meangreenfaninno said:

But how does your methodology respectfully make us anymore than a glorified community college.

Does the NCAA just not give a shit about the smaller programs anymore? Seems like it is very unfair.

I think you answered your own question…..twice.

That’s where we and most G5 programs are. Especially the middle-of-the-pack G5s. They’ve probably reached their mountaintop. The upper G5 programs better enjoys it as long as they are there.

El Paso Eagle · December 10

7 minutes ago, Green with Envy said:

Your school doesn’t care if you’re pissed. Your school cares about winning because winning leads to money. 95% of the fans would agree and a portion of those would sell their soul for a top program annually. Sometimes you have to do things that you don’t want to do in order to get to places that you want to get.

And for the record, I don’t oppose your view. Just trying to take an open-eyed look at the other side.

I think it's a safe bet to say the way UNT treats their fans has a lot to do with why we have so few donations to our school. Maybe they need to look in the mirror and see who's there year after year and change the way they operate.

Green with Envy · December 10

8 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:

I think it's a safe bet to say the way UNT treats their fans has a lot to do with why we have so few donations to our school. Maybe they need to look in the mirror and see who's there year after year and change the way they operate.

I’m sure there is some population that feels that way. But I think the bigger issue to lack of funds is our alumni culture and lack of success.

very much generalizing here, but so many of our alumni are musicians and/or teachers. Probably weren’t ’all-in’ on athletics when they were students and if they were, probably don’t have endless funds to donate back to the program today.

The quantity of deep pocket donors we have has to be short. If you had deep pockets and your favorite program performed like this, year after year after year, would you curb your donations at some point? Or would you continue to throw good money after bad?

How do we get out of this, no clue. Just how I see things shaking down from the outside.

meaniegreenie · December 10

13 hours ago, MeanGreenZen said:

The portal can’t hurt me anymore. All these kids are going to leave. A whole new batch will come.

One thing I would be wary of if I was a player, you only have a limited opportunity in your life to play in bowl games.

Unless you are getting a BIG payday (which short of Chandler Morris, I don’t see anyone on this roster getting) I would be real careful about jumping ship and missing out on a bowl game.

Experiences are more valuable than money. Sometimes it takes a couple of decades of life to figure that out.

Most of these guys who leave in the portal are going to get less in NIL than they could make substitute teaching next year. I hope they adequately value the experience of their role in the North Texas football program.

It's hard to convince a 19-20 yr old this, especially if he doesn't have an extra $50 at the end of each month.

I still hate the NIL and portal.

meaniegreenie · December 10

2 hours ago, Green with Envy said:

Your best players are often the ones leaving.

Your best players typically give you a better chance at winning a bowl game.

A bowl game victory is better for recruiting and program image.

A bowl victory picks up another $35K for coach and is another skin on the wall.

I don't care about winning a bowl game with another teams players.

MeanGreenSig · December 10

11 hours ago, Green with Envy said:

I’m sure there is some population that feels that way. But I think the bigger issue to lack of funds is our alumni culture and lack of success.

very much generalizing here, but so many of our alumni are musicians and/or teachers. Probably weren’t ’all-in’ on athletics when they were students and if they were, probably don’t have endless funds to donate back to the program today.

The quantity of deep pocket donors we have has to be short. If you had deep pockets and your favorite program performed like this, year after year after year, would you curb your donations at some point? Or would you continue to throw good money after bad?

How do we get out of this, no clue. Just how I see things shaking down from the outside.

You are generalizing and just plain WRONG

https://institutionalresearch.unt.edu/images/factbook18-19.pdf page 52

2017-2018 (pre Covid)

Business, Info, Engineering, Healthcare- 3,378 degrees awarded

Music and education- 1,488

Also, degree does not correlate with support or "big money", or being "all-in". The numbers do not lie and the generalization does not hold, music is 322 BTW, so the myth that we are a music school is FALSE, we simply have a top rated music school. I am willing to bet the % of degrees awarded is similar to other Universities of or size, etc.

There is really no excuse for our underperformance, it is simply , as someone posted earlier, lack of long-term success.

sustained WINNING, that's the answer.

Finance Major BTW.

Green with Envy · December 10

20 minutes ago, MeanGreenSig said:

You are generalizing and just plain WRONG

https://institutionalresearch.unt.edu/images/factbook18-19.pdf page 52

2017-2018 (pre Covid)

Business, Info, Engineering, Healthcare- 3,378 degrees awarded

Music and education- 1,488

Also, degree does not correlate with support or "big money", or being "all-in". The numbers do not lie and the generalization does not hold, music is 322 BTW, so the myth that we are a music school is FALSE, we simply have a top rated music school. I am willing to bet the % of degrees awarded is similar to other Universities of or size, etc.

There is really no excuse for our underperformance, it is simply , as someone posted earlier, lack of long-term success.

sustained WINNING, that's the answer.

Finance Major BTW.

haha. easy there, Silver.

Sig381 · December 10

25 minutes ago, MeanGreenSig said:

You are generalizing and just plain WRONG

https://institutionalresearch.unt.edu/images/factbook18-19.pdf page 52

2017-2018 (pre Covid)

Business, Info, Engineering, Healthcare- 3,378 degrees awarded

Music and education- 1,488

Also, degree does not correlate with support or "big money", or being "all-in". The numbers do not lie and the generalization does not hold, music is 322 BTW, so the myth that we are a music school is FALSE, we simply have a top rated music school. I am willing to bet the % of degrees awarded is similar to other Universities of or size, etc.

There is really no excuse for our underperformance, it is simply , as someone posted earlier, lack of long-term success.

sustained WINNING, that's the answer.

Finance Major BTW.