Trouble in Tulsa

[greenjoe]

Certainly didn’t mean to tip you over Coffee, but even before I could drive and was mowing lawns, I had a business arrangement with my customers.  I mow—You pay.  I never got stiffed.   You’re exactly right.  They’re kids.  But they want to participate in an adult world and get paid and they’re not qualified.  

[NT80]

2 hours ago, Coffee and TV said:

I love how we're continuing the go mean green trend of shitting on 18-22 year olds and pretending like we were so much smarter than them at that age. Yeah, kids wanna get paid fairly for their work and it's *their* fault the system is setup to dupe them. Great thinking guys. 

Seriously?    They have these things called parents and advisors to hold their hands, lol.   At 18 they are adults, can vote, and go to war.  They want real world $$, then they need to be real world savy.

[TheColonyEagle]

3 hours ago, Coffee and TV said:

I love how we're continuing the go mean green trend of shitting on 18-22 year olds and pretending like we were so much smarter than them at that age. Yeah, kids wanna get paid fairly for their work and it's *their* fault the system is setup to dupe them. Great thinking guys. 

No the system WAS set up to dupe them. They didn't like it. So now they got the system they wanted. And they don't like that. 

Don't like it? Don't get duped. 

[Coffee and TV]

4 hours ago, greenjoe said:

Certainly didn’t mean to tip you over Coffee, but even before I could drive and was mowing lawns, I had a business arrangement with my customers.  I mow—You pay.  I never got stiffed.   You’re exactly right.  They’re kids.  But they want to participate in an adult world and get paid and they’re not qualified.  

LMAO yeah that's certainly comparable to the legal and logistical mess that is NIL. Sure. Did you have the same legal team as the NCAA on retainer? 

[GMG_Dallas]

Entertaining quote in the ESPN article about their new hire. 

"Tulsa officials also sought experience navigating the NIL and portal space, which Lamb has done at the FCS level. Part of Tulsa's pitch to candidates was that they'd have available NIL/revenue share dollars that are competitive with the top of the conference."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/42861981/tulsa-hires-tre-lamb-next-head-football-coach

[Jason Howeth]

On 12/6/2024 at 2:57 PM, NT80 said:

They want real world $$, then they need to be real world savy.

If only the education system in the United States afforded them any opportunity to learn useful tools for the real world. #EndtheEd

[Jason Howeth]

Another unintended consequence of a horrifically designed system. No wonder Saban got out of the game.

Lukewarm take: I don't fault the Tulsa coaches all that much. They're a middling G6 program with higher aspirations (just like UNT) facing a gauntlet of losses every single offseason because kids can go make a buck somewhere else to ride the bench (S/O Chandler Rodgers). They know they can't compete with an Ohio State or even places like UCF anymore for the same kid, so they turn to their only option--lying to try and get the player they want. If they can't compete financially, what else are they expected to do? 

If I'm a coach in FBS at a G6 school, I'm probably doing the same thing and hoping like hell someone makes good on my promise. It's obviously sucks morally to have to toy with the lives of these kids, but a coach can either be like Tulsa and UNLV, or sit on their hands and get fired after 2/3 years and hope to find another job somewhere. If the system was redesigned so that NCAA players couldn't go chasing the biggest paycheck, we wouldn't see half of this crap going on.

Get rid of NIL and institute pay-for-play, then put a $250,000 cap on per player earnings. There, I solved it.

[NT80]

43 minutes ago, Jason Howeth said:

If only the education system in the United States afforded them any opportunity to learn useful tools for the real world. #EndtheEd

Athletes are not in school for the education...it's for the $$

[Jason Howeth]

36 minutes ago, NT80 said:

Athletes are not in school for the education...it's for the $$

I'm specifically dogging the K-12 model. The U.S. Dept. of Education is hot garbage. 

[rcade]

On 12/6/2024 at 1:44 PM, greenjoe said:

Certainly didn’t mean to tip you over Coffee, but even before I could drive and was mowing lawns, I had a business arrangement with my customers.  I mow—You pay.  I never got stiffed.

If you mowed the lawn before getting paid you were taking the same risk as these athletes.

I mowed lawns too. Ten-year-old me is ashamed I pay somebody else to do it now.

[C Rod]

59 minutes ago, Jason Howeth said:

I'm specifically dogging the K-12 model. The U.S. Dept. of Education is hot garbage. 

K-12 school curriculum is primarily determined by state governments, with local school districts tailoring and implementing it according to state standards. The federal government has minimal influence over the curriculum. If you don't like what you currently have, take it up with your state and local school board.