Trouble in Tulsa

[C Rod]

First Tulsa fires Coach Wilson and now this. Time for UNT to swoop in…

 

[greenminer]

Read between the lines and it has to be asked: did the Tulsa coaches knowingly lie about their NIL offers when recruiting these players?  Cuz that's what I interpret this as.

[FirefightnRick]

 

 

Rick

[peanuts104]

Starting to see why Knox flipped to us.

[meangreenfaninno]

Very sad situation.  And they have like a billion endowment so its not like they don't have the money.

[Matt from A700]

Are these players not getting anything in writing?

[MeanGreenTexan]

51 minutes ago, greenminer said:

Read between the lines and it has to be asked: did the Tulsa coaches knowingly lie about their NIL offers when recruiting these players?  Cuz that's what I interpret this as.

If so, they're likely to have a very difficult time getting a job anywhere moving forward, especially Coach Wilson.
If the coaches were told they would have $# to spend, and that funding was pulled for whatever reason... That's on Tulsa's boosters, and good luck fielding a decent team ever again.

[C Rod]

1 hour ago, greenminer said:

Read between the lines and it has to be asked: did the Tulsa coaches knowingly lie about their NIL offers when recruiting these players?  Cuz that's what I interpret this as.

Coach Wilson publicly said he didn’t use NIL for recruiting which is technically correct. He did not use NIL dollars to recruit HS players, however he absolutely promised NIL money to incoming transfers and also to keep current players from transferring out.

I know this because my friend's son plays for Tulsa and he was told by his son multiple times throughout the seasons that coach says the NIL dollars are coming but they're delayed.

Not a good look for Coach Wilson. The players and parents have every right to be pissed. It's false promising. 

[NT80]

AI Overview

 

Can college coaches or schools offer NIL?

No, college coaches or schools themselves cannot directly "offer" NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness) money to athletes; the NCAA rules prevent them from paying players directly, meaning they cannot use NIL as a recruitment tool by offering cash incentives to potential recruits. 

 

 

Key points about NIL and college coaches/schools:

• No direct payment:

  Schools cannot provide athletes with money as compensation for their athletic abilities. 

   
• Facilitation allowed:

  However, schools and coaches can now facilitate NIL deals by connecting athletes with potential sponsors or businesses that want to utilize their name, image, and likeness. 

   
• State laws vary:

  Regulations around NIL can differ by state, so specific rules regarding coach involvement might vary. 

Edited Thursday at 09:23 PM by NT80

[97and03]

2 hours ago, meangreenfaninno said:

Very sad situation.  And they have like a billion endowment so its not like they don't have the money.

Those things are completely unconnected 

[MeanGreenTexan]

2 minutes ago, 97and03 said:

Those things are completely unconnected 

Correct.   Or Rice would be the dominant AAC team.

[C Rod]

39 minutes ago, NT80 said:

the NCAA rules prevent them from paying players directly, meaning they cannot use NIL as a recruitment tool by offering cash incentives to potential recruits. 

Lmao AI doesn’t yet realize the NCAA is a paper tiger. They may have a rule in place but they’re not regulating or policing NIL deals. NCAA is too worried about lawsuits and the potential total collapse of their amateur-athlete business model. 

[UNTLifer]

42 minutes ago, NT80 said:

AI Overview

 

Can college coaches or schools offer NIL?

No, college coaches or schools themselves cannot directly "offer" NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness) money to athletes; the NCAA rules prevent them from paying players directly, meaning they cannot use NIL as a recruitment tool by offering cash incentives to potential recruits. 

 

 

Key points about NIL and college coaches/schools:

• No direct payment:

  Schools cannot provide athletes with money as compensation for their athletic abilities. 

   
• Facilitation allowed:

  However, schools and coaches can now facilitate NIL deals by connecting athletes with potential sponsors or businesses that want to utilize their name, image, and likeness. 

   
• State laws vary:

  Regulations around NIL can differ by state, so specific rules regarding coach involvement might vary. 

SMU looked at the sentence in bold and

[Coffee and TV]

58 minutes ago, NT80 said:

AI Overview

lemme stop ya right there. 

[NT80]

14 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

SMU looked at the sentence in bold and

[VideoEagle]

4 hours ago, Matt from A700 said:

Are these players not getting anything in writing?

One of the things that came out from the kid at UNLV is NIL deals CANNOT be in writing until after students enroll. 

[Monkeypox]

2 minutes ago, VideoEagle said:

One of the things that came out from the kid at UNLV is NIL deals CANNOT be in writing until after students enroll. 

Not a lawyer (Though I played one on JAG), but I think it's pretty hard to enforce something that isn't allowed.

 

[VideoEagle]

2 minutes ago, Monkeypox said:

Not a lawyer (Though I played one on JAG), but I think it's pretty hard to enforce something that isn't allowed.

 

Yup! The NCAA says it gets dozens of calls from players not getting what they were promised. There’s a reason the State of Georgia passed something related to sovereignty that prevents students from seeing any of their universities! 

[TheColonyEagle]

13 hours ago, VideoEagle said:

Yup! The NCAA says it gets dozens of calls from players not getting what they were promised. 

Not defending the NCAA....but how would that call go?

"What?! Oh little buddy, I'm sorry. This is what you wanted. Go be a free agent now and get that bag somewhere else! Don't let them take advantage of you! Why are you calling us? What do you want us to do? We don't really have anything to do with college football anymore. ESPN runs it. Or, maybe momma can help you. Have her call the school. Btw, have you declared a major yet? How is school going? Learning anything?"

They seem to want all the upside and none of the risk and shocker....coaches and alumni running these NIL collectives are taking advantage of them. (death, taxes and this result were guaranteed because college football is a filthy business)

You want the wild wild west, people are gonna get shot. (figuratively)

NCAA: "Figure it out kiddos..."

[SilverEagle]

21 hours ago, meangreenfaninno said:

Very sad situation.  And they have like a billion endowment so its not like they don't have the money.

According to Wiki it's 1.36 billion......as of 2021.  Not bad for a school originally called "Presbyterian school for Indian Girls". (1882-1894)

[NT80]

3 hours ago, TheColonyEagle said:

Not defending the NCAA....but how would that call go?

"What?! Oh little buddy, I'm sorry. This is what you wanted. Go be a free agent now and get that bag somewhere else! Don't let them take advantage of you! Why are you calling us? What do you want us to do? We don't really have anything to do with college football anymore. ESPN runs it. Or, maybe momma can help you. Have her call the school. Btw, have you declared a major yet? How is school going? Learning anything?"

They seem to want all the upside and none of the risk and shocker....coaches and alumni running these NIL collectives are taking advantage of them. (death, taxes and this result were guaranteed because college football is a filthy business)

You want the wild wild west, people are gonna get shot. (figuratively)

NCAA: "Figure it out kiddos..."

I hope many more players get denied payments! 

It's past time to end this farce called NIL.

Instead there needs to be signed, negotiated labor contracts between schools and players.  Similar to the NFL.  You can't break your contract and play somewhere else (for any reason), unless a negotiated release or traded for compensation from the receiving school.

[C Rod]

3 minutes ago, NT80 said:

I hope many more players get denied payments! 

It's past time to end this farce called NIL.

Instead there needs to be signed, negotiated labor contracts between schools and players.  Similar to the NFL.  You can't break your contract and play somewhere else (for any reason), unless a negotiated release or traded for compensation from the receiving school.

That means players unionizing and collective bargaining agreements.

It also means employment status for athletes and all the requirements and benefits the comes with that which is exactly what the universities don't want. 

[NT80]

2 minutes ago, C Rod said:

That means players unionizing and collective bargaining agreements.

It also means employment status for athletes and all the requirements and benefits the comes with that which is exactly what the universities don't want. 

It's coming anyway.  Players at some schools already have court approval to unionize.   Plus players are already under school medical insurance and care for game injuries and scholarships cover room and board.  The only thing left is compensation continues if game injured.

[greenjoe]

All the above is true.  If a “real business person” were to make a deal with a person that might be a supporter of a particular university, he/she would get it in writing and, there would be recourse if either party didn’t follow through.  These aren’t real business people.  They’re like catfish.  Attracted to the first shiny object they find.  When the shiny object is jerked away, they don’t know what to do.  They’re kids.  The same way they “commit” to a school and then “de-commit” when a shiny object catches their eye.   

[Coffee and TV]

I love how we're continuing the go mean green trend of shitting on 18-22 year olds and pretending like we were so much smarter than them at that age. Yeah, kids wanna get paid fairly for their work and it's *their* fault the system is setup to dupe them. Great thinking guys.