Any word on Bowl destination?

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4 hours ago, Side.Show.Joe said:

North Texas went 1-5 to finish the season 6-6. I would have preferred Mosley turned the smu bowl down and kept the team at home, then accept this POS against Texas State. Maybe next season we will earn a real bowl, or get a real coach. 

It would make no sense to turn down an opportunity to win seven games and end the bowl losing streak.

[Side.Show.Joe]

2 hours ago, TheReal_jayD said:

Yeah you obviously missed the part about revenue sharing and leveling the playing field. 🫡

No I got it. I just don't see revenue sharing helping us. We have student fees not revenue. ECU will probably benefit from revenue sharing since they can get 40K into their stadium on game day.

Again, our leadership isn't getting it done, and no one seems to care. They just act like we're moving in the right direction. 

[Side.Show.Joe]

56 minutes ago, Aquila_Viridis said:

It won’t feel so homey when you are outnumbered by Bobcats 3 to 1. I have a sense they have done more to build school spirit in their general population.

I totally agree. 

[Side.Show.Joe]

36 minutes ago, meaniegreenie said:

So, punish the players that busted their asses to play hard to the end of pretty much every game?
(Yes, exasperation/frustration did arise at the end of a couple of games.)

This despite many players being young due to injuries, simply outsized physically, or ill prepared due to poor coaching.

My opinion of the players have changed since the introduction of the Portal. Those that we sign and actually go on to graduate from UNT are our players. But most are mercenaries, looking for their next step up. 

Look, in the end this team didn't beat a single opponent that finished with a winning record. It's Littrell all over again. And this bowl is just another slap in the face. 

[GMG_Dallas]

1 hour ago, Side.Show.Joe said:

My opinion of the players have changed since the introduction of the Portal. Those that we sign and actually go on to graduate from UNT are our players. But most are mercenaries, looking for their next step up. 

Look, in the end this team didn't beat a single opponent that finished with a winning record. It's Littrell all over again. And this bowl is just another slap in the face. 

Then maybe stop complaining so much and just support those players that started here and are graduating at UNT? Rod Brown has spent his entire college career in Denton. Guys like him are very rare these days and on January 3rd of 2025, he'll be suiting up for our school one last time. We've got other loyal seniors such as Damon Ward, Alphie Guillory, Jordan Brown, and I believe Jaylen Smith. Maybe remember these guys could have left but didn't. They've lost what? Three bowl games? Let's show up January 3rd to cheer them on in hopes they can finish their careers on a high note.

[Side.Show.Joe]

7 minutes ago, GMG_Dallas said:

Then maybe stop complaining so much and just support those players that started here and are graduating at UNT? Rod Brown has spent his entire college career in Denton. Guys like him are very rare these days and on January 3rd of 2025, he'll be suiting up for our school one last time. We've got other loyal seniors such as Damon Ward, Alphie Guillory, Jordan Brown, and I believe Jaylen Smith. Maybe remember these guys could have left but didn't. They've lost what? Three bowl games? Let's show up January 3rd to cheer them on in hopes they can finish their careers on a high note.

I feel bad for those guys. And you are right, they have been at UNT for the long haul. Unfortunately, there are only a few. Bad Littrell years and now bad Morris years really cost those UNT players a chance at doing great things at the college level. 

In the 2013 season UNT finished 9-4 and won the HOD Bowl over UNLV at the Cotton Bowl. I was there with around 30,000 other Mean Green fans were. It was epic. I felt North Texas had a bright future after that bowl win. In that same year, Texas State was playing their first full season in the FBS as our replacement in the Sun Belt. Let that sink in.

While other AAC programs are firing their failing coaches, we are handing out a bowl bonus. Our leadership's apathy towards accountability has allowed our football program to become a joke. There is no high note waiting for North Texas on Jan 3rd. 

 

[GMG_Dallas]

3 minutes ago, Side.Show.Joe said:

I feel bad for those guys. And you are right, they have been at UNT for the long haul. Unfortunately, there are only a few. Bad Littrell years and now bad Morris years really cost those UNT players a chance at doing great things at the college level. 

In the 2013 season UNT finished 9-4 and won the HOD Bowl over UNLV at the Cotton Bowl. I was there with around 30,000 other Mean Green fans were. It was epic. I felt North Texas had a bright future after that bowl win. In that same year, Texas State was playing their first full season in the FBS as our replacement in the Sun Belt. Let that sink in.

While other AAC programs are firing their failing coaches, we are handing out a bowl bonus. Our leadership's apathy towards accountability has allowed our football program to become a joke. There is no high note waiting for North Texas on Jan 3rd. 

 

I was there at the HOD as a student. I became a lifelong fan that year. I didn't know what the future held. I barely knew about our past. What I do know is this year, we're going back to a bowl game. Losing it won't help us any. We have to win.

About other AAC teams firing their coaches, we fired our last coach after losing a conference championship game. Granted, he'd been losing big games but step back a bit and consider just how many G5 programs have fired a head coach for performance reasons the same season they made their conference championship. I'd say apathy is not the issue with our AD. They're just not making the right hires but that's easier said than done.

Anyways, I hope you change your mind and choose to attend. With a win we can turn more students into long-term fans. That's the only way it happens.

[Aquila_Viridis]

It is quite a sad commentary that several on here are only willing to go to a bowl if it's a short drive. That is exactly the level of commitment that has us NOT going to a desirable winter destination for a bowl. I want to blame leadership for going along with this 'Dinner For Schmucks' situation, but maybe they ARE just playing the cards they're dealt.

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2 hours ago, Side.Show.Joe said:

Look, in the end this team didn't beat a single opponent that finished with a winning record. It's Littrell all over again. And this bowl is just another slap in the face. 

If we win the bowl game it isn't Littrell all over again. He couldn't get to 7 or win a bowl game.

This game is a chance for Eric Morris to prove he's an improvement over Littrell.

That wouldn't be enough to show he's the right guy for the job, but it would at least be a step in the right direction.

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1 hour ago, GMG_Dallas said:

I was there at the HOD as a student. I became a lifelong fan that year. I didn't know what the future held. I barely knew about our past. What I do know is this year, we're going back to a bowl game. Losing it won't help us any. We have to win.

This is the correct answer.

I became a lifelong fan during the Southland Conference years in the Division I-AA wilderness. Something can be a good time even if it is small time. I'll never forget Corky Nelson throwing haymakers in the enormous brawl between SMU and UNT going into halftime in the late 1980s. UNT fans were nearly berserk for the rest of that game. Only the long walk and the cheap pitchers of beer at the Flying Tomato afterwards calmed us down.

[97and03]

13 hours ago, Side.Show.Joe said:

 

If you have a reason why I should get behind this abomination, I'm willing to listen. Believe me, I don't want to be so negative about every aspect of our football program. Please, give me a reason to hope for more.

As I said elsewhere, if they are brining in the new DC now there is great value in this or any bowl game. Cassity can come in and start installing his system, and in doing so evaluate the defensive coaching staff and current players. This will give him a head start on knowing who he needs bring in. Only S&C coaches can work with the players in the period between the end of the season and start of spring practices. If NT does this right, it is a huge opportunity to start improving the defense. Maybe that doesn’t change your mind on attending but it should on why we should play it. 

[MeanGreenTexan]

7 hours ago, rcade said:

If we win the bowl game it isn't Littrell all over again. He couldn't get to 7 or win a bowl game.

This game is a chance for Eric Morris to prove he's an improvement over Littrell.

That wouldn't be enough to show he's the right guy for the job, but it would at least be a step in the right direction.

I watched his teams win 7 or more 3 times. 

[MeanGreenTexan]

8 hours ago, Aquila_Viridis said:

It is quite a sad commentary that several on here are only willing to go to a bowl if it's a short drive. That is exactly the level of commitment that has us NOT going to a desirable winter destination for a bowl. I want to blame leadership for going along with this 'Dinner For Schmucks' situation, but maybe they ARE just playing the cards they're dealt.

Agree, but it's the state of the program.
IF NT were to have a Boise-State-like season (or heck, even an Army-like season), you'd better believe there would be a massive Green contingent following us around, wherever we ended up.

But when you end your season on a 5-game losing skid + a nail-biter win against what many would say is one of the worst football programs in the FBS... it's just not something a lot of casuals want to get behind.

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1 hour ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

I watched his teams win 7 or more 3 times. 

Point taken, Tim, but I wasn't talking about the early years.

I was referring to Littrell's final years always having us around 6-6 and crapping the bed in big OOC games and bowls.

He was the averagest coach in the FBS. 44-44 record.

[MeanGreenTexan]

1 minute ago, rcade said:

Point taken, Tim, but I wasn't talking about the early years.

I was referring to Littrell's final years always having us around 6-6 and crapping the bed in big OOC games and bowls.

He was the averagest coach in the FBS. 44-44 record.

Littrell's final 2 seasons had NT at 7 wins, and 6 wins, along with a CCG appearance.  We then ran into Ashton Jeanty and lost a squeaker.   

We needed Morris to do better than "averagest", but that has not happened.  It's not like he had to rebuild or salvage a horrible losing program.   He just needed to take "averagest" and make it "better-than-averagest".

Also, I think we had a few threads around here during the weekend of 9/7 making fun of the Roadrunners getting annihilated, 49-10, by our opponent.    I just hope our house isn't made of glass, because we all know what happened when we played UTSA.

 

I get it, we're all NT fans, and we need to support the program.   Many of us here on GMG.com have dozens of pairs of Green-tinted glasses, as we're the die-hards.   But man, if you step back & actually look... I can't imagine anyone objectively looking and saying we're in a better place now than we were in 2022.

Go Mean Green!   Beat SWTSt!

[Old Denton]

16 hours ago, Side.Show.Joe said:

No. I will not be there. This is not my expectation.

But, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. If you feel this is good enough, go and have a ball. I do hope we win, but I won't be there for whatever the outcome is 

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34 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

We needed Morris to do better than "averagest", but that has not happened.  It's not like he had to rebuild or salvage a horrible losing program.   He just needed to take "averagest" and make it "better-than-averagest". ...

But man, if you step back & actually look... I can't imagine anyone objectively looking and saying we're in a better place now than we were in 2022.

We are in a slightly better place than 2022, because we're the same barely average team except in a better conference.

Is that enough to have confidence Eric Morris is the guy long-term? Hell no.

Edited December 9 by rcade

[MeanGreenTexan]

13 minutes ago, rcade said:

We are in a slightly better place than 2022, because we're the same average team except in a better conference.

Is that enough to have confidence Eric Morris is the guy long-term? No.

Yes.  That's true.   
But that change was going to happen whether it was with Littrell, Morris, or Zombie Tom Landry running the show.

I hope, for Morris' sake, for the players' sake, and most-importantly: the University's sake, we win.
 

[Coffee and TV]

11 hours ago, Aquila_Viridis said:

It is quite a sad commentary that several on here are only willing to go to a bowl if it's a short drive. That is exactly the level of commitment that has us NOT going to a desirable winter destination for a bowl. I want to blame leadership for going along with this 'Dinner For Schmucks' situation, but maybe they ARE just playing the cards they're dealt.

Quite sad you judge. If I had to take any time off to travel for a bowl game I would have needed to arrange that months ago. 

[MeanGreenTexan]

54 minutes ago, Coffee and TV said:

Quite sad you judge. If I had to take any time off to travel for a bowl game I would have needed to arrange that months ago. 

Hypothetical for you:
Do you think if UNT were to have gone 12-1 (ending the year ranked #9, with the lone loss being a 3-pt loss to the #1-ranked team in the country), and found themselves in the CFP playing the Fiesta Bowl in Phoenix (Tuesday 12/31), you might find a way to make it?

Tougher one:
Do you think if UNT were to have gone 9-4, finishing 2nd in AAC (ranked as recently as 3 weeks ago, and still "receiving votes"), you'd have gone to Tampa to watch us square off against the Gators (Friday, 12/20)?

[Coffee and TV]

4 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Hypothetical for you:
Do you think if UNT were to have gone 12-1 (ending the year ranked #9, with the lone loss being a 3-pt loss to the #1-ranked team in the country), and found themselves in the CFP playing the Fiesta Bowl in Phoenix (Tuesday 12/31), you might find a way to make it?

Tougher one:
Do you think if UNT were to have gone 9-4, finishing 2nd in AAC (ranked as recently as 3 weeks ago, and still "receiving votes"), you'd have gone to Tampa to watch us square off against the Gators (Friday, 12/20)?

No to both

[MeanGreenTexan]

21 minutes ago, Coffee and TV said:

No to both

[Side.Show.Joe]

The Portal is turning the SMU Bowl into a glorified spring game against Texas State. This situation just keeps getting worse.

[Big Z]

LOL the UNT Ticket Office calling alums -"Be sure to get your tickets for the upcoming bowl game at SMU, we don't know who will left on the team, but I can guarantee it will be a great time!" 

Edited December 10 by Big Z

[Side.Show.Joe]

13 hours ago, 97and03 said:

As I said elsewhere, if they are brining in the new DC now there is great value in this or any bowl game. Cassity can come in and start installing his system, and in doing so evaluate the defensive coaching staff and current players. This will give him a head start on knowing who he needs bring in. Only S&C coaches can work with the players in the period between the end of the season and start of spring practices. If NT does this right, it is a huge opportunity to start improving the defense. Maybe that doesn’t change your mind on attending but it should on why we should play it. 

As I watch our roster jump into the portal, I'm thinking we might have to bring in another batch of 77 players again. The future is looking bleaker by the day.