Keeler to Temple

[Big Z]

https://www.texasfootball.com/article/2024/12/01/kc-keeler-leaving-sam-houston-for-temple-head-coaching-vacancy?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR07QGpu1z0XKAjcuvt-l73C_GbxvXF20BBrndfe9SkVkL8LUGvr5GPyA7w_aem_sTuHqtTan3csiVZAJliu2A

[Meangreen Fight]

33 minutes ago, Big Z said:

https://www.texasfootball.com/article/2024/12/01/kc-keeler-leaving-sam-houston-for-temple-head-coaching-vacancy?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR07QGpu1z0XKAjcuvt-l73C_GbxvXF20BBrndfe9SkVkL8LUGvr5GPyA7w_aem_sTuHqtTan3csiVZAJliu2A

And we hired Eric Morris, as a KC Keeler starter kit maybe?   Yeah, I won’t be going to games next year.  Maybe if Temple comes to DATCU next year I will make at exception.  I will be the one wearing the custom “KC was Available” shirt.  MANY fans here first guessed this hire and wanted Keeler here instead of Morris.  

[SUMG]

Yeah.....many of us did mention Keeler last year. I guess Moseley thought we were saying "Keebler."

I really feel for SHSU. Their first bowl game ever.....and this puts a damper on it. 

[p_phelps]

42 minutes ago, Meangreen Fight said:

And we hired Eric Morris, as a KC Keeler starter kit maybe?   Yeah, I won’t be going to games next year.  Maybe if Temple comes to DATCU next year I will make at exception.  I will be the one wearing the custom “KC was Available” shirt.  MANY fans here first guessed this hire and wanted Keeler here instead of Morris.  

What if we got his DC. You still crying?

[Graddean]

SHSU was 9-3.  Seven of their wins were against teams with non winning seasons.  Keeler was 2-3 against winning teams.  As I read the board, for man, those are the wins that count.

[UNTLifer]

This could be a death blow to that man’s career. Has Temple ever been good at football?

[Big Z]

1 minute ago, UNTLifer said:

This could be a death blow to that man’s career. Has Temple ever been good at football?

Yes

[BBA1989]

3 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

This could be a death blow to that man’s career. Has Temple ever been good at football?

Temple was in the AAC championship against Herman and UH the year they had one loss then wiped the floor with FSU in the Peach Bowl.

[BBA1989]

No wonder he was in tears after the game against Liberty on Friday and saying we're all family here and such.  Guess he'd rather play in an empty Philadelphia Eagles stadium than wait on the renovation of Bowers.  

[greenminer]

4 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

This could be a death blow to that man’s career. Has Temple ever been good at football?

temple all time is 41.1 winning %

north Texas is 43.6%

so…you’re safe!

[MCMLXXX]

Keeler is a native of Pennsylvania. Perhaps that played a part in his decision.

[NT80]

1 hour ago, greenminer said:

temple all time is 41.1 winning %

north Texas is 43.6%

so…you’re safe!

Not sure where you got your info. 

Thru the 2023 season:  The Mean Green have played 106 seasons of football, compiling a record of 530–527–33 (.501)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_Texas_Mean_Green_football_seasons

Edited 14 hours ago by NT80

[NT80]

2 hours ago, BBA1989 said:

No wonder he was in tears after the game against Liberty on Friday and saying we're all family here and such.  Guess he'd rather play in an empty Philadelphia Eagles stadium than wait on the renovation of Bowers.  

Lol.   Renovations of Bowers (if it happens) will be a $60M press box, some suites and club level, plus restroom and concession space updates.  No major seating addition to their 14,000 seat stadium.  

https://gobearkats.com/news/2024/8/1/football-bowers-stadium-redesign-plans-submitted-to-bor.aspx

https://gobearkats.com/facilities/bowers-stadium/22

 

Edited 14 hours ago by NT80

[greenminer]

25 minutes ago, NT80 said:

Not sure where you got your info. 

Thru the 2023 season:  The Mean Green have played 106 seasons of football, compiling a record of 530–527–33 (.501)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_Texas_Mean_Green_football_seasons

Happy to show you:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/north-texas/index.html

Shame on me, because I know that our history goes back that far.  But my attempt to rib Lifer still stands 😉

PS: if you count those ties as part of the total, 530/1090 = 48.62%

Edited 14 hours ago by greenminer

[MeanGreen22]

7 hours ago, Meangreen Fight said:

And we hired Eric Morris, as a KC Keeler starter kit maybe?   Yeah, I won’t be going to games next year.  Maybe if Temple comes to DATCU next year I will make at exception.  I will be the one wearing the custom “KC was Available” shirt.  MANY fans here first guessed this hire and wanted Keeler here instead of Morris.  

Man hasn’t coached a single game at Temple and you’re already taking victory laps?

[NT80]

7 minutes ago, greenminer said:

Happy to show you:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/north-texas/index.html

Shame on me, because I know that our history goes back that far.  But my attempt to rib Lifer still stands 😉

Lol.

Seasons: 60 (1953 to 2024)

What that says is we won more in small college football conferences from 1913-1952.

Since moving up to major school football conferences from 1953-2024 (except for the demotion to 1-AA 1983-1995) as we moved up in Conference power, it has become more difficult to sustain winning. 

That is to be expected if you don't have the resources, donors, and support other major programs have.  Also, of course, coaching and recruiting has been unstable.   But still we have come a long way...into one of the Top 5 football conferences in the country! 

[NTSU52]

7 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

This could be a death blow to that man’s career. Has Temple ever been good at football?

The exact same thing was probably thought by other fan bases about Eric, Seth, Dan, and any other head coach we’ve hired here.

[Meangreen Fight]

6 hours ago, NT80 said:

But still we have come a long way...into one of the Top 5 football conferences in the country! 

That is very subjective.  Boise State or UNLV probably will get the G5 spot in the playoff over a one loss Army team.  Louisville, SMU, Houston, Rutgers and Cincinnati left conference for greener pastures.  So I don’t know who anointed the AAC as 5th, but the playoff committee isn’t listening to them.  Army, a team brand new to the conference that came into the conference and dominated. They were independent juggernauts last year at 6-6 🙄.

AAC is viewed as better than the MAC, CUSA and Sun Belt.  But we certainly won’t be viewed as better than the reconstructed PAC 12 and right now it doesn’t look like we are viewed better than the current MWC. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Meangreen Fight

[Meangreen Fight]

12 hours ago, p_phelps said:

What if we got his DC. You still crying?

🙄 like I have stated before DC under a lame duck coach is not a highly desired job for coaches with options.

[TheReal_jayD]

2 hours ago, Meangreen Fight said:

🙄 like I have stated before DC under a lame duck coach is not a highly desired job for coaches with options.

Who is a lame duck coach?

 

[NT80]

4 hours ago, Meangreen Fight said:

That is very subjective.  Boise State or UNLV probably will get the G5 spot in the playoff over a one loss Army team.  Louisville, SMU, Houston, Rutgers and Cincinnati left conference for greener pastures.  So I don’t know who anointed the AAC as 5th, but the playoff committee isn’t listening to them.  Army, a team brand new to the conference that came into the conference and dominated. They were independent juggernauts last year at 6-6 🙄.

AAC is viewed as better than the MAC, CUSA and Sun Belt.  But we certainly won’t be viewed as better than the reconstructed PAC 12 and right now it doesn’t look like we are viewed better than the current MWC. 

I'm talking best G5 Conference as a whole.   

AAC had 8/14 teams with 6 or more wins.

MWC had 5/12 teams with 6 or more wins.

Plus, Boise is leaving the MWC to the G5 PAC, and UNLV is staying in the MWC...further diluting both.

[Meangreen Fight]

1 hour ago, NT80 said:

I'm talking best G5 Conference as a whole.   

AAC had 8/14 teams with 6 or more wins.

MWC had 5/12 teams with 6 or more wins.

Plus, Boise is leaving the MWC to the G5 PAC, and UNLV is staying in the MWC...further diluting both.

Those wins numbers are meaningless until you factor out wins against FCS and lower*.  (I believe FBS can schedule a D2 team but I am unaware if a match up of FBS vs D2 occurred this season).  
 

I believe the new Pac 12 will be thought of as better than MWC leftovers.  And UNLV will eventually leave the MWC also.  And referencing 6 wins when by default you can schedule 2 (most only do 1 but still) virtually guaranteed wins against FCS and lower is just not an accurate way to assess a conference’s strength.  Head to Head in non-conference is the only way imo.  But perception when there are not that many games is the one that matters.  Because that is what will keep a 1 loss Army team out of the playoffs.  
 

Army’s blowout loss to Norte Dame looks worse than Boise’s to Oregon.  But they struggled more recently to beat a bad Wyoming team 17-13 while we blew them out 44-17.   Boise all had a close call to a bad Nevada team 28-21.  Both of these games were in November. 
 

Your perception is just as valid as anyone else’s but the majority of power brokers will still probably view AAC as behind the new Pac 12.  And it won’t even be close if the Pac gets UNLV while retaining everyone else they took from MWC.  

[wardly]

11 minutes ago, Meangreen Fight said:

Those wins numbers are meaningless until you factor out wins against FCS and lower*.  (I believe FBS can schedule a D2 team but I am unaware if a match up of FBS vs D2 occurred this season).  
 

I believe the new Pac 12 will be thought of as better than MWC leftovers.  And UNLV will eventually leave the MWC also.  And referencing 6 wins when by default you can schedule 2 (most only do 1 but still) virtually guaranteed wins against FCS and lower is just not an accurate way to assess a conference’s strength.  Head to Head in non-conference is the only way imo.  But perception when there are not that many games is the one that matters.  Because that is what will keep a 1 loss Army team out of the playoffs.  
 

Army’s blowout loss to Norte Dame looks worse than Boise’s to Oregon.  But they struggled more recently to beat a bad Wyoming team 17-13 while we blew them out 44-17.   Boise all had a close call to a bad Nevada team 28-21.  Both of these games were in November. 
 

Your perception is just as valid as anyone else’s but the majority of power brokers will still probably view AAC as behind the new Pac 12.  And it won’t even be close if the Pac gets UNLV while retaining everyone else they took from MWC.  

Its been a few months but from what I remember the UNLV athletic department was about $20 million in the hole and could not afford to buy out of the MWC. The MWC then threw that much at UNLV to keep them in the conference where they shall remain.