Lashlee

[wardly]

1 hour ago, rcade said:

You make cheating sound so considerate.

As for SMU remaining near the top of the ACC in the future, you might take a look at how things are going in Tallahassee just 12 months after FSU went undefeated. The portal giveth, the portal taketh away.

I am really sorry to see SMU2006 post that comment about taking care of players when it was illegal to do so. I could accept his previous comments about the rich can make the rules but I can't agree that they can break them as well. I have even admired what they have accomplished in only one year in the AAC and agree with the DMN that in hindsight the BIG 12 made a mistake in passing them over. Granted the death penalty was probably a bridge too far but if SMU2006  can justify it's institutional cheating then the Mustangs have learned nothing.

[NM Green]

I disagree that it was a mistake by the Big 12. They could have them tomorrow but don’t want them in their league. They fit the ACC better anyway. B12 is not crying with ASU U of A UU and Colorado. Those are some potent all around programs. 

GMG

[wardly]

8 hours ago, NM Green said:

I disagree that it was a mistake by the Big 12. They could have them tomorrow but don’t want them in their league. They fit the ACC better anyway. B12 is not crying with ASU U of A UU and Colorado. Those are some potent all around programs. 

GMG

I understand that the BIG 12 doesn't want SMU. However they are ranked 7th in the nation today while the BIG 12 conference championship is between teams ranked somewhere around 16th and 18th.

[untjim1995]

19 hours ago, FirefightnRick said:

Even though he’s being a sickening troll coming here and bragging over smu’s pathetic excess that will surely hasten the demise of what is left of college athletics,….everyone needs to read this post above carefully and let it sink in real deep because he’s telling us all the truth.  And unless something drastic changes, and soon, anyone at North Texas who still supports this NIL bullshit and somehow thinks we, or any other G5, and some P4’s are going to ever compete in this insane environment need to have their head examined.  
 

Rick   

As I've said, I quit going to games in 2023. Just cannot stand what CFB has become for schools like ours. The portal did it for me. I don't like NIL, but I get it. Unfortunately, its easy to manipulate and SMU and other private schools can look like they belong with the power programs when they really wouldn't in any other time. But the portal is what makes it so easy to have this become a major problem. Transferring anywhere, like you are changing your job from working at Wendy's to going to work at Chili's the next day is an ender for me. If its gonna be this way, then treat the players as employees, let them pay taxes on their earnings, and be able to stay at the university for as long as they want--hell, Mason Fine, for example, could still be here if he wanted to be, under this umbrella.

What I would love to see is simply for the power 24-48 to just move on and be the CFB Super Power, NFL-lite league. Then, let then next tier of 80-120 schools play a college football that looks like regular amateur college football. Include stipends, make players and the school sign a scholarship contract that is at least 2 years long, and if you leave for any school in this new level, you sit out a year, like before, but you cannot leave until your two years is up. Also, coaches and coordinators and staff get a salary limit that is across the board the same, like a salary cap. Make conferences regional and get back to CFB for this level to be what we are used to it being. We don't need to fool ourselves into believing we can compete financially with any current power league team.

[SMU2006]

4 hours ago, untjim1995 said:

As I've said, I quit going to games in 2023. Just cannot stand what CFB has become for schools like ours. The portal did it for me. I don't like NIL, but I get it. Unfortunately, its easy to manipulate and SMU and other private schools can look like they belong with the power programs when they really wouldn't in any other time. But the portal is what makes it so easy to have this become a major problem. Transferring anywhere, like you are changing your job from working at Wendy's to going to work at Chili's the next day is an ender for me. If its gonna be this way, then treat the players as employees, let them pay taxes on their earnings, and be able to stay at the university for as long as they want--hell, Mason Fine, for example, could still be here if he wanted to be, under this umbrella.

What I would love to see is simply for the power 24-48 to just move on and be the CFB Super Power, NFL-lite league. Then, let then next tier of 80-120 schools play a college football that looks like regular amateur college football. Include stipends, make players and the school sign a scholarship contract that is at least 2 years long, and if you leave for any school in this new level, you sit out a year, like before, but you cannot leave until your two years is up. Also, coaches and coordinators and staff get a salary limit that is across the board the same, like a salary cap. Make conferences regional and get back to CFB for this level to be what we are used to it being. We don't need to fool ourselves into believing we can compete financially with any current power league team.

what a bunch of garbage.  Schools have been paying players, inducing high school recruits, and skirting (or outright ignoring) the rules since they started keeping score.  The only difference now is that its out in the open for everyone to see.  This is a bunch of revisionist history and yearning for the "good ol days" when in truth this stuff has always been there.

[SMU2006]

6 hours ago, wardly said:

I understand that the BIG 12 doesn't want SMU. However they are ranked 7th in the nation today while the BIG 12 conference championship is between teams ranked somewhere around 16th and 18th.

Brett Yormark, Big 12 Commissioner, basically told SMU that there was one school in the country that made obvious sense to add and it was SMU but TCU, OK State, Baylor, Tech, etc. did not want to elevate SMU.  This year is proving them right to a certain degree b/c with the level playing field SMU will outspend and surpass them in record time.  Why waste four years of your life in Lubbock, Stillwater, Fort Worth, or Waco when you could be in Dallas?  

[untjim1995]

50 minutes ago, SMU2006 said:

what a bunch of garbage.  Schools have been paying players, inducing high school recruits, and skirting (or outright ignoring) the rules since they started keeping score.  The only difference now is that its out in the open for everyone to see.  This is a bunch of revisionist history and yearning for the "good ol days" when in truth this stuff has always been there.

You’re the poster child—as a fan, as a school—that is wrong with the current college football world. Congrats, trust fund kid. Your world seems so easy and fun to those of us who have worked our entire lives and support an Alma Mater that has no ability to compete in the current landscape. Yall can simply buy away our players and coaches.

Thats garbage. Enjoy your team and your season. Seriously, never thought CFB would create a system ever again that your type of program could ascend in. You did it.

[DentonStang]

23 hours ago, wardly said:

I am really sorry to see SMU2006 post that comment about taking care of players when it was illegal to do so. I could accept his previous comments about the rich can make the rules but I can't agree that they can break them as well. I have even admired what they have accomplished in only one year in the AAC and agree with the DMN that in hindsight the BIG 12 made a mistake in passing them over. Granted the death penalty was probably a bridge too far but if SMU2006  can justify it's institutional cheating then the Mustangs have learned nothing.

You're crazy - SMU's total spend was not even that out of line by SWC standards.  The other poster saying SMU was arrogant and hated was correct,  and we didn't have the aircover of local media like they do in, say, Austin.   Read The Pony Trap for a good view on the size and nature of all the other SWC violations and comparison of the severity of their punishment indexed against their size and media value.

So yes SMU was not totally innocent in provoking backlash but paying has been continuous from the 1930's on.  Why do you think the big blue bloods hate NIL?  They have the most money,  they should love it shouldn't they? Their under the table pay infrastructure isn't a competitive advantage anymore especially with free transfers.  Can't buy up all the talent and lock it down on their bench.

We are in the LEAST money corrupted era ever because it's out in the open above the table.

UNT has MORE opportunity to be competitive and get talent than it ever has before.  They're out there waiting to give you their commitment. If you pick it up it's yours, if you don't I have no sympathy for you. 

 

Edited December 4 by DentonStang

[dodgefan]

9 hours ago, DentonStang said:

You're crazy - SMU's total spend was not even that out of line by SWC standards.  The other poster saying SMU was arrogant and hated was correct,  and we didn't have the aircover of local media like they do in, say, Austin.   Read The Pony Trap for a good view on the size and nature of all the other SWC violations and comparison of the severity of their punishment indexed against their size and media value.

So yes SMU was not totally innocent in provoking backlash but paying has been continuous from the 1930's on.  Why do you think the big blue bloods hate NIL?  They have the most money,  they should love it shouldn't they? Their under the table pay infrastructure isn't a competitive advantage anymore especially with free transfers.  Can't buy up all the talent and lock it down on their bench.

We are in the LEAST money corrupted era ever because it's out in the open above the table.

UNT has MORE opportunity to be competitive and get talent than it ever has before.  They're out there waiting to give you their commitment. If you pick it up it's yours, if you don't I have no sympathy for you. 

 

Your last paragraph is 100% truth. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a burning desire to organize, just jealously towards the ones that do.

[untjim1995]

1 hour ago, dodgefan said:

Your last paragraph is 100% truth. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a burning desire to organize, just jealously towards the ones that do.

Talk about jealousy…being an OBVIOUS SMU fan and always posting here because there aren’t any decent pony sites to converse on.

[UNTLifer]

5 hours ago, dodgefan said:

Your last paragraph is 100% truth. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a burning desire to organize, just jealously towards the ones that do.

His first three were 100% true as well and SMU thumbed their nose at the NCAA from Gov. Clements office.  Found it ridiculous that a church affiliated school was the worst and their alumni think like you...well everybody else was doing it...

[DentonStang]

23 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

.  Found it ridiculous that a church affiliated school was the worst and their alumni think like you...well everybody else was doing it...

Render unto Jennings what is Jennings'

 

Edited Thursday at 05:25 PM by DentonStang

[SMU2006]

On 12/3/2024 at 5:01 PM, untjim1995 said:

You’re the poster child—as a fan, as a school—that is wrong with the current college football world. Congrats, trust fund kid. Your world seems so easy and fun to those of us who have worked our entire lives and support an Alma Mater that has no ability to compete in the current landscape. Yall can simply buy away our players and coaches.

Thats garbage. Enjoy your team and your season. Seriously, never thought CFB would create a system ever again that your type of program could ascend in. You did it.

[rcade]

On 12/4/2024 at 7:56 AM, dodgefan said:

Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a burning desire to organize, just jealously towards the ones that do.

Who do you think we should organize -- fat cat boosters? I will start a Facebook group "Mean Green Alumni Billionaires" and see who joins.

[rcade]

SMU is 11-1 and playing in a Power 4/3/2 conference championship game in just two days.

Yet their fans are hanging out this week with us.

Does anyone find that utterly bizarre? If UNT was 11-1 and playing for a spot in the College Football Playoff this weekend I wouldn't even remember that SMU exists.

[NT80]

1 hour ago, rcade said:

I wouldn't even remember that SMU exists.

WHO?

[DentonStang]

8 hours ago, rcade said:

SMU is 11-1 and playing in a Power 4/3/2 conference championship game in just two days.

Yet their fans are hanging out this week with us.

Does anyone find that utterly bizarre? If UNT was 11-1 and playing for a spot in the College Football Playoff this weekend I wouldn't even remember that SMU exists.

Don't worry, I'll bring driving out of Denton to DFW to fly to Charlotte Saturday morning. 

[NT80]

52 minutes ago, DentonStang said:

Don't worry, I'll bring driving out of Denton to DFW to fly to Charlotte Saturday morning. 

You and 60,000 Clemson fans there.

Everyone else will be watching Oregon vs Penn St at the same time...

[rcade]

8 hours ago, DentonStang said:

Don't worry, I'll bring driving out of Denton to DFW to fly to Charlotte Saturday morning. 

Get yourself some Lexington-style barbecue while you're there so the trip won't be a total disappointment.