If Eric Morris wins a bowl game, will you forgive his past sins?

[Coffee and TV]

14 minutes ago, Big Z said:

His last win before yesterday  was October 12th…let that sink in 

Ohio State hasn't beaten Michigan in like 1200 days but they're still going to the playoff. What other fun calendar games we playing. 

[MrAlien]

It has not even been 2 years since this program did a complete reset, and the team is back in a bowl game.  I think most G5 programs would consider that being on the right track. 

[Udomann]

3 minutes ago, MrAlien said:

It has not even been 2 years since this program did a complete reset, and the team is back in a bowl game.  I think most G5 programs would consider that being on the right track. 

We essentially tripped backwards into what will be the worst bowl game thanks to temple being god awful. Half the teams get a bowl game. If this is "being on the right track" then I think I would like to take another train

[Mean Green 93-98]

5 minutes ago, MrAlien said:

It has not even been 2 years since this program did a complete reset, and the team is back in a bowl game.  I think most G5 programs would consider that being on the right track. 

We did just as much of a "complete reset" roster-wise this season as we did last season.  And with the current level of roster turnover in college football, we can pretty much expect a "complete reset" every year.  I'm not calling for Coach Morris to be fired or anything, but I need to see something better than a .500 record to be convinced that we're on the right track.

[MrAlien]

8 minutes ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

We did just as much of a "complete reset" roster-wise this season as we did last season.  And with the current level of roster turnover in college football, we can pretty much expect a "complete reset" every year.  I'm not calling for Coach Morris to be fired or anything, but I need to see something better than a .500 record to be convinced that we're on the right track.

There will be a roster reset every year going forward, 2023 was a complete program reset with new coaches and virtually no recruiting momentum.   

[Mean Green 93-98]

2 minutes ago, MrAlien said:

2023 was a complete program reset with new coaches and virtually no recruiting momentum.   

Going by that, Seth Littrell had a far better complete reset after two years than Eric Morris.  Littrell took a team that was absolutely terrible the year before to 5-8 in year 1 and 9-5 in year 2.

I'm hoping for a bowl win and significant improvement in year 3 of the Morris regime.  We shall see.

[mgfan]

On 11/30/2024 at 2:41 PM, Matt from A700 said:

I just wanted to be the guy to start the thread.

To answer the question…. NO. 
 

bowl games have even less meaning now with the expanded playoff.

[Cr1028]

4 hours ago, Udomann said:

We essentially tripped backwards into what will be the worst bowl game thanks to temple being god awful. Half the teams get a bowl game. If this is "being on the right track" then I think I would like to take another train

Not only that, we only had 3 conference wins and those wins came against teams that were a combined 4-20 in conference and 9-27 overall. 

[Aquila_Viridis]

17 hours ago, Cr1028 said:

Not only that, we only had 3 conference wins and those wins came against teams that were a combined 4-20 in conference and 9-27 overall. 

We should go on those teams' boards regularly to declare our superiority, but what kind of person would actually do that???

[Wag Tag]

I think coaches measuring stick should be the 1st Half of the schedule next year.  Moseley should be prepared to fire him mid season and assign Cobb as interim if he is having poor outcomes. 

[MeanGreenTexan]

On 12/1/2024 at 3:13 PM, MrAlien said:

It has not even been 2 years since this program did a complete reset, and the team is back in a bowl game.  I think most G5 programs would consider that being on the right track. 

It's almost like Littrell didn't have NT in the CCG & a bowl himself before Morris took over!
Morris' track:

[Green Lantern]

7 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

It's almost like Littrell didn't have NT in the CCG & a bowl himself before Morris took over!
Morris' track:

I’ll never understand the mental gymnastics some on here do to justify this underperformance? We fired Seth after a Conference USA title game appearance- justifiably - so we would get someone to take the NEXT step that was elusive for his regime.

Now we’ve got people making excuses for wasting the first year of Morris’ tenure by mis-reading the personnel that he judged to be “AAC title contenders” and then flopping. Didn’t use the portal well enough to beef up glaring deficiencies. Then brings back the worst, yet somehow highest compensated G5 DC in America for year 2 which led to an inevitable firing that even the most casual of football fans could see coming from a mile away before the season even started.

The 2nd year performance was predictable as well, but extra dissapointing given the soft schedule 5-1 start. To end up 6-6 is nearly unforgivable. We’d better win this upcoming Bowl game.

[MrAlien]

On 12/1/2024 at 3:44 PM, Mean Green 93-98 said:

Going by that, Seth Littrell had a far better complete reset after two years than Eric Morris.  Littrell took a team that was absolutely terrible the year before to 5-8 in year 1 and 9-5 in year 2.

I'm hoping for a bowl win and significant improvement in year 3 of the Morris regime.  We shall see.

The rules were different when Seth was hired, you didnt have to worry about half the team jumping into the portal, building an NIL fund, and having to build a team from the transfer market.  When Seth got here he had something to start with.  Morris had nothing when he got here, most of the good players we had left, he was hired with only a couple days left in the transfer window, and had no recruiting plan for UNT. 

[emmitt01]

On 12/1/2024 at 3:13 PM, MrAlien said:

It has not even been 2 years since this program did a complete reset, and the team is back in a bowl game.  I think most G5 programs would consider that being on the right track. 

Only if they had zero knowledge of the actual season we just had

[MeanGreenTexan]

40 minutes ago, MrAlien said:

The rules were different when Seth was hired, you didnt have to worry about half the team jumping into the portal, building an NIL fund, and having to build a team from the transfer market.  When Seth got here he had something to start with.  Morris had nothing when he got here, most of the good players we had left, he was hired with only a couple days left in the transfer window, and had no recruiting plan for UNT. 

Oh wow.   This is some serious history revision, or just outright lying.

Let me clear this up with facts:
Littrell inherited a 1-win team that came with Jeff Wilson, Nate Brooks & Kishawn McClain.   
He immediately improved with a bunch of new IMPACT players he brought in (Mason Fine, Rico Bussey, Kemon Hall, EJ Ejiya, Courtney Finney, Josh Wheeler).

For Morris, the only guys that hurt when they left for the portal was Nixon, Shorter, Gaddie, Cam Robinson (this one actually hurt), & I guess you could say Gumms?
Here's what he inherited (from a 6-win team): 4 of his 5 starting OL (Ethan Miner was a nice 1-yr pickup), his top 3 receivers, and his top 4! RBs.  He had to find a new QB, just like Littrell, but that was inevitable since Aune had graduated.  Who's to say Littrell (or any other coach) wouldn't have also brought Rogers in?

Defensively, it was virtually all Littrell's personnel, except for Phil Hill (another 1-yr pickup), and knowing full well he needed LB help, he rolled out more Littrell LBs.  Caponi wasted Mazin Richards' final season of football.  Poor guy.
Moore graduated at K, so Rauchenberg was a really nice 1-yr pickup.  Yet, knowing it would be just 1-yr, and having a full year to focus on recruiting a new K...  Nguma went 11-16.  😬

Not sure if you're trolling or not.  If so, slow clap, you got me.  If not, you're not paying attention.

[Coffee and TV]

23 hours ago, emmitt01 said:

Only if they had zero knowledge of the actual season we just had

Amazing that some of you managed the Dodge years without finding yourself in rehabs. 

[97and03]

1 hour ago, Coffee and TV said:

Amazing that some of you managed the Dodge years without finding yourself in rehabs. 

Rehab is for quitters.  We doubled down and became drunks.

[Coffee and TV]

42 minutes ago, 97and03 said:

Rehab is for quitters.  We doubled down and became drunks.

I'm not wrong though, this is a 2nd year coach in the best G5 conference with a 6-6 record and I guess all that drinking just made most of the whiners forget the Dodge years. Everyone is fine with remembering the Ticket City Bowl, but want to forget the same guy brought us Portland State 2 years later. 

[97and03]

12 minutes ago, Coffee and TV said:

I'm not wrong though, this is a 2nd year coach in the best G5 conference with a 6-6 record and I guess all that drinking just made most of the whiners forget the Dodge years. Everyone is fine with remembering the Ticket City Bowl, but want to forget the same guy brought us Portland State 2 years later. 

No one has forgotten the Dodge years. We have gotten progressively better as a program since, with Mac and Seth raising the profile and expectations of the program. 
We fired a coach who had done fairly well (not great but better than his predecessors) and made a conference championship game. By doing so, the administration told the fans and college football in general that NT expected more from itself as a program. Then we hired a relatively inexperienced HC who hired a completely inexperienced DC, which undid all the good of hiring a hot coaching name in Morris and negated the offensive success. 
So no one has forgotten where we were. We are trying to get were we needed to be - where this AD told us we were going. We are tired of waiting to get there. 

[GrandGreen]

On 12/4/2024 at 11:02 AM, 97and03 said:

No one has forgotten the Dodge years. We have gotten progressively better as a program since, with Mac and Seth raising the profile and expectations of the program. 
We fired a coach who had done fairly well (not great but better than his predecessors) and made a conference championship game. By doing so, the administration told the fans and college football in general that NT expected more from itself as a program. Then we hired a relatively inexperienced HC who hired a completely inexperienced DC, which undid all the good of hiring a hot coaching name in Morris and negated the offensive success. 
So no one has forgotten where we were. We are trying to get were we needed to be - where this AD told us we were going. We are tired of waiting to get there. 

Littrell proved he was exactly a .500 coach, I can't believe many fans thought it was a bad decision to terminate him.

Morris had the biggest roster change of any D1 coach last year, basically lost most of NT's better than average players.

There are a lot of posters here that believe NT has unlimited funds to buy out contracts and at the same time continue to fund the football program and buy players through NIL, I wish that were true.  

I am fine with Morris being the HC next year, however I hope he has to win at least 7 games to remain here.

 

Edited Friday at 10:08 PM by GrandGreen