Anyone else still rooting for Eric Morris?

[MeanGreenTexan]

7 hours ago, MrAlien said:

I don't see any other option but to root for him...

If you fire him now and reset the program again (twice in less then 2 years) then you throw away next season.  All the recruiting, and portal momentum, and most of the team will disappear with the coach being fired. 

This is the Stockholm syndrome that is NT fandom.  Right here.  
And I totally understand.   We’ve made underwhelming hire after underwhelming hire… then make a good one, but even he peters out.
Why would we ever assume NT can make a good hire, right?   

It’s not like there aren’t a ton of examples of G5 schools that experience instant turnarounds.  Why can’t NT find the right guy like these other programs do?

[Meangreen Fight]

On 11/24/2024 at 2:53 PM, Glory to the Green said:

100% rooting for him, the coaches, and our players!

We’ll see what adjustments are made the last game…hopefully two games.  

It is not a matter of rooting.  Rooting for this team as currently constructed is a waste of positive energy.  Let me know when Charlie Brown kicks the winning field goal when Lucy is holding.....   

[Glory to the Green]

3 hours ago, Meangreen Fight said:

It is not a matter of rooting.  Rooting for this team as currently constructed is a waste of positive energy.  Let me know when Charlie Brown kicks the winning field goal when Lucy is holding.....   

That’s funny.  I get it, but I just try to enjoy the moment.  The last 5 weeks have been tough. I’m putting a lot of weight into the next few weeks:

Temple, Bowl?, New DC, NSD, TP.  

If it’s like this past season, it’s pretty clear to me that next season will be determined by the next few weeks. 

[greenminer]

3 hours ago, Meangreen Fight said:

It is not a matter of rooting.  Rooting for this team as currently constructed is a waste of positive energy.  Let me know when Charlie Brown kicks the winning field goal when Lucy is holding.....   

you know, if 20k fans showed up, rooting for the team, while holding 20,000 signs that say “Fire ELF”, that would be more powerful  than any boycott.

sounds like one big misfire on our part, sir.

[Meangreen Fight]

On 11/27/2024 at 5:59 PM, greenminer said:

you know, if 20k fans showed up, rooting for the team, while holding 20,000 signs that say “Fire ELF”, that would be more powerful  than any boycott.

sounds like one big misfire on our part, sir.

That is comical. 🤣 The only thing that makes things move in a capitalist soceity is money.  And our Football program doesn't generate it.  I refuse to continue to waste my time with a core fanbase that seems not to understand that.  A fanbase that 💩on even the idea of pursuing a transcendent force with a home and other local tie in the North Texas region like Coach Sanders.   

UC Boulder General Budget 2022:  1.04 Billion

UNT Denton 2022 Budget:  365 milliom

Colorado Student Enrollment:  37k

North Texas: 47 k

Karl Dorrell's contract (Sander's predecessor) 3.6 million

Seth Littrell's & EM's 2023 Pay:  2.9 million

Now with detailed corrections can you see how proper management of Seth's contract(s) could have put us in a position to at least talk to Sanders?  This program with projected improvement could offer a base salary 4 million. 

There is no excuse for a program in a perfect position to reap the most benefit from Sanders jumping up from FCS to FBS for not pursuing Sanders PUBLICLY.  Retaining Seth Littrell in the foolish misguided hope that he would go beyond 0.500 vs FBS competition in year 6 was a low aspirational budget conscious decision.  It communicated to me this program doesn't care to sell more tickets nor win.  Only when have ridiculous nationally embarrassing outing does this program respond with minimal conventional competency, making staffing moves. We wouldn't be debating this level of idiocy any fanboard for a respectable program.  Who brings back the WORST DC in all of FBS for year 2 and NOT fire the head coach who wanted to give him another chance when he fails in year 2?  My donations will go strictly to the academic side of the house from now on.  

Long story short if Eric Morris performs in a underwhelming fashion Morris and Jared need to be gone.

We operate like a program with no athletic history located in an isolated location few people would want to move to like Moscow, Idaho.  This is why alumni walk away.  

Edited 17 hours ago by Meangreen Fight

[GMG_Dallas]

34 minutes ago, Meangreen Fight said:

That is comical. 🤣 The only thing that makes things move in a capitalist soceity is money.  And our Football program doesn't generate it.  I refuse to continue to waste my time with a core fanbase that seems not to understand that.  A fanbase that 💩on even the idea of pursuing a transcendent force with a home and other local tie in the North Texas region like Coach Sanders.   

Colorado Budget/Endowment: 2.3 Billion

North Texas:  2.6 Billion

Colorado Student Enrollment:  37k

North Texas: 47 k

There is no excuse for a program in a perfect position to reap the most benefit from Sanders jumping up from FCS to FBS for not pursuing Sanders PUBLICLY.  Retaining Seth Littrell in the foolish misguided hope that he would go beyond 0.500 vs FBS competition in year 6 was a low aspirational budget conscious decision.  It communicated to me this program doesn't care to sell more tickets nor win.  Only when have ridiculous nationally embarrassing outing does this program respond with minimal conventional competency, making staffing moves. We wouldn't be debating this level of idiocy any fanboard for a respectable program.  Who brings back the WORST DC in all of FBS for year 2 and NOT fire the head coach who wanted to give him another chance when he fails in year 2?  My donations will go strictly to the academic side of the house from now on.  

Long story short if Eric Morris performs in a underwhelming fashion Morris and Jared need to be gone.

 

Ummm where did you see that UNT's endowment is that high? Also, I doubt we could have hired Sanders. If you're interested in that kind of a gamble, would you be interested in Jason Witten who appears to be following the Sanders path? We could be his Jackson State.

[greenminer]

@Meangreen Fight are you sure budget figures and endowment are interchangeable? Because that is how I think you came up with those figures.

[3_n_out]

10 hours ago, GMG_Dallas said:

Ummm where did you see that UNT's endowment is that high? Also, I doubt we could have hired Sanders. If you're interested in that kind of a gamble, would you be interested in Jason Witten who appears to be following the Sanders path? We could be his Jackson State.

This could be our Deion Sanders hire or our Trent Dilder hire. Definitely could be a huge hit or a massive miss. If UNT wants a circus, I got my popcorn ready. 

[p_phelps]

It all comes down to DC hire.  Last time we were considered "good" was 2018 and the defense was ranked 47. Since then it's been 100s+ ranked. Get Carthel, sam Houston st, or la lech dc along with hitting the portal with a purpose to get more D1 talent on defense. We should be good next year. If not, Morris is probably gone.

[jtm0097]

Yeah, I want them to win every game. I'm just over the inconsistency. It's hard to keep the faith with this program. 5-1 thinking we are about to compete for the conference championship, to 5-6 hoping we beat Temple to make a bowl. We have to figure out how to finish games. I know we are super young, had a bad defensive scheme, etc... 

This is probably going to be the most important off-season of Eric Morris' coaching career. If he doesn't get the DC hire and transfer class right, he will be coaching somewhere else in 2026.  Meanwhile us fans, will just be getting ready for another dose of false hope or green kool-aid as we call it. 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 03:15 PM by jtm0097

[RBP79]

Record is 5-6...

[GMG_Dallas]

59 minutes ago, 3_n_out said:

This could be our Deion Sanders hire or our Trent Dilder hire. Definitely could be a huge hit or a massive miss. If UNT wants a circus, I got my popcorn ready. 

I've kind of played out the scenario in my mind... Cobbs as HC, Witten as OC/TE coach, Quinn Shanbour as QB coach, Charlie Strong as DC as an experienced DC and former HC to help guide Cobbs. I don't have answers at every coaching position but I think these guys can do we all at coaching and recruiting. I think Strong has enough connections to bring in a good staff on defense.

Witten has a son committed to Rice and another son who's the number 2 safety in the 2027 class. Maybe they tag along like the Sanders' did with Deion? Regarding Shanbour, he's the current QB coach at UC Davis and they have the number 3 passing offense in FCS. I'd really like to get him back in Denton.

[C Rod]

1 hour ago, GMG_Dallas said:

I've kind of played out the scenario in my mind... Cobbs as HC, Witten as OC/TE coach, Quinn Shanbour as QB coach, Charlie Strong as DC as an experienced DC and former HC to help guide Cobbs. I don't have answers at every coaching position but I think these guys can do we all at coaching and recruiting. I think Strong has enough connections to bring in a good staff on defense.

Witten has a son committed to Rice and another son who's the number 2 safety in the 2027 class. Maybe they tag along like the Sanders' did with Deion? Regarding Shanbour, he's the current QB coach at UC Davis and they have the number 3 passing offense in FCS. I'd really like to get him back in Denton.

Careful bud, I floated the Witten to UNT idea last year and got lit up for it. Funny, since my post, Jason Witten won a state championship, coach of the year, and is currently 10-1 with Liberty Christian poised to make another run at the championship. 

[GMG_Dallas]

32 minutes ago, C Rod said:

Careful bud, I floated the Witten to UNT idea last year and got lit up for it. Funny, since my post, Jason Witten won a state championship, coach of the year, and is currently 10-1 with Liberty Christian poised to make another run at the championship. 

It's the Dodge PTSD. Any time a coach fails, our fans dismiss any coach with a similar coaching profile moving forward. Witten has been great at Argyle Liberty. Somebody will give him a job at the D1 level and we're in his backyard. Could be beneficial for both parties.

[BleedingGreen]

I am hoping for a 20 point win on Saturday and a bowl appearance with win for Coach Morris and the seniors.

[DentonLurker]

21 hours ago, GMG_Dallas said:

Ummm where did you see that UNT's endowment is that high?

It’s not even close

[DentonLurker]

22 hours ago, Meangreen Fight said:

There is no excuse for a program in a perfect position to reap the most benefit from Sanders jumping up from FCS to FBS for not pursuing Sanders PUBLICLY.

lol 

[GMG_Dallas]

47 minutes ago, DentonLurker said:

It’s not even close

Yeah not sure where those numbers came from...

[greenminer]

22 minutes ago, GMG_Dallas said:

Yeah not sure where those numbers came from...

If you look at our wiki page, scroll past the endowment number, it lists budget numbers.  That sum (UNT + UNTS) is the same as what he is claiming is our endowment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_North_Texas

[GMG_Dallas]

55 minutes ago, greenminer said:

If you look at our wiki page, scroll past the endowment number, it lists budget numbers.  That sum (UNT + UNTS) is the same as what he is claiming is our endowment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_North_Texas

Got it... it shows our endowment just above it but ok. Thanks for clarifying.

[TheColonyEagle]

On 11/27/2024 at 9:25 PM, GMG_Dallas said:

Ummm where did you see that UNT's endowment is that high? Also, I doubt we could have hired Sanders. If you're interested in that kind of a gamble, would you be interested in Jason Witten who appears to be following the Sanders path? We could be his Jackson State.

A former NFL player coaching at a successful private school that can recruit talent from all over and is winning in private school competition? Then we'll make him an FBS Head Coach? That's not the Deion path, that's 100% the Trent Dilfer path. That was an absolute disaster that should be run from at all costs.....

[TheColonyEagle]

On 11/24/2024 at 5:00 PM, UNTcrazy727 said:

I can’t believe how many people think going through another complete roster overhaul with a new coaching staff that has no time to recruit is a good way to set us up for success in 2025. 

We just went through a complete roster overhaul with a returning coach. I would expect another complete roster overhaul after this season. New coach or returning coach. The roster overhaul is going to happen regardless....

 

[Cr1028]

On 11/27/2024 at 8:49 PM, Meangreen Fight said:

That is comical. 🤣 The only thing that makes things move in a capitalist soceity is money.  And our Football program doesn't generate it.  I refuse to continue to waste my time with a core fanbase that seems not to understand that.  A fanbase that 💩on even the idea of pursuing a transcendent force with a home and other local tie in the North Texas region like Coach Sanders.   

Colorado Budget/Endowment: 2.3 Billion

North Texas:  2.6 Billion

Colorado Student Enrollment:  37k

North Texas: 47 k

There is no excuse for a program in a perfect position to reap the most benefit from Sanders jumping up from FCS to FBS for not pursuing Sanders PUBLICLY.  Retaining Seth Littrell in the foolish misguided hope that he would go beyond 0.500 vs FBS competition in year 6 was a low aspirational budget conscious decision.  It communicated to me this program doesn't care to sell more tickets nor win.  Only when have ridiculous nationally embarrassing outing does this program respond with minimal conventional competency, making staffing moves. We wouldn't be debating this level of idiocy any fanboard for a respectable program.  Who brings back the WORST DC in all of FBS for year 2 and NOT fire the head coach who wanted to give him another chance when he fails in year 2?  My donations will go strictly to the academic side of the house from now on.  

Long story short if Eric Morris performs in a underwhelming fashion Morris and Jared need to be gone.

 

Gotta admire the youthful ignorance and enthusiasm.

[Rudy]

I'm not saying we shouldn't give Witten a chance, but it's too risky to give someone a coordinator position or HC position straight out of high school. 

[DentonLurker]

I’m out on Witten. This program has hopefully outgrown hiring high school coaches.