Earth to GMG

[Tommy Gadberry]

They signed Eric to a 5 year deal per Brett Vito. So there is no way in hell they can afford to buy him out.  They are still paying off Seth now that he got canned again!  I don’t disagree that he deserves to be fired, but we screwed up with the guaranteed contracts and no buyout provisions.  Which Jared deserves the blame.

[Travis]

  On 11/24/2024 at 4:34 AM, Tommy Gadberry said:

They signed Eric to a 5 year deal per Brett Vito. So there is no way in hell they can afford to buy him out.  They are still paying off Seth now that he got canned again!  I don’t disagree that he deserves to be fired, but we screwed up with the guaranteed contracts and no buyout provisions.  Which Jared deserves the blame.

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Wasn’t this past year the last year to pay out Seth?

[meangreenfaninno]

  On 11/24/2024 at 4:35 AM, Travis said:

Wasn’t this past year the last year to pay out Seth?

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I think we didn’t have to pay him the remainder of his guaranteed money if be had another gig.  Now that he is fired again we may owe him some more.

Edited November 24, 2024 by meangreenfaninno

[Big E]

Littrell’s UNT contract ended Jan. 31, 2024, so UNT shouldn’t have been paying him for quite some time.

[untjim1995]

The point stands that we aren’t buying out three years of Morris’ contract. He will got one more year, at least, to sell the leadership on why he should keep his job. 

[FirefightnRick]

  On 11/24/2024 at 4:34 AM, Tommy Gadberry said:

They signed Eric to a 5 year deal per Brett Vito. So there is no way in hell they can afford to buy him out.  They are still paying off Seth now that he got canned again!  I don’t disagree that he deserves to be fired, but we screwed up with the guaranteed contracts and no buyout provisions.  Which Jared deserves the blame.

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Really????

 

 

Rick

[ForneyGreen]

  On 11/24/2024 at 4:34 AM, Tommy Gadberry said:

They signed Eric to a 5 year deal per Brett Vito. So there is no way in hell they can afford to buy him out.  They are still paying off Seth now that he got canned again!  I don’t disagree that he deserves to be fired, but we screwed up with the guaranteed contracts and no buyout provisions.  Which Jared deserves the blame.

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Yup - at least 2 more years of exciting 5-win football  😐

[southsideguy]

in the new world of NIL coaches contracts should not be signed for more than three years.  There is no longer the luxury of building a team.

[Sig381]

  On 11/24/2024 at 1:15 PM, southsideguy said:

in the new world of NIL coaches contracts should not be signed for more than three years.  There is no longer the luxury of building a team.

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This is a good point. NIL has changed the game and we at North Texas has a long way to go . But turning over your whole roster each year would be difficult. If you sign a coach for three years a high school recruit would be hesitant to sign up with a coach knowing he will leave possibly when he is a red shirt sophomore . I believe you do have to sign a coach for five years for recruiting stability but have buy out packages along the way. 

[Meangreen Fight]

  On 11/24/2024 at 6:10 AM, ForneyGreen said:

Yup - at least 2 more years of exciting 5-win football  😐

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This hurts, I was skeptical of the hire in the first place.  We got another OC that wasn't ready to be a head coach nor tweak his Air Raid offense to perform in the clutch and short yardage.  Walked out of the game after that 4th and 1 up the middle run that took us out of the game leading 21-14.  By the time I got to my car the score 31-24.  See y'all back at DATCU Stadium 2026 maybe if we have a new head coach or EM wins 9 games in 2025.  I can't afford to spend money on something that just frustrates me.

Edited November 27, 2024 by Meangreen Fight

[BigWillie]

  On 11/24/2024 at 1:34 PM, Sig381 said:

This is a good point. NIL has changed the game and we at North Texas has a long way to go . But turning over your whole roster each year would be difficult. If you sign a coach for three years a high school recruit would be hesitant to sign up with a coach knowing he will leave possibly when he is a red shirt sophomore . I believe you do have to sign a coach for five years for recruiting stability but have buy out packages along the way. 

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I think that's the point. This is not a thing anywhere except the elite programs.

[BigWillie]

  On 11/24/2024 at 1:34 PM, Meangreen Fight said:

This hurts, I was skeptical of the hire in the first place.  We got another OC that wasn't ready to be a head coach nor tweak his Air Raid offense to perform in the clutch and short yardage.  Walked out of the game after that 4th and 1 up the middle run that took us out of the game leading 21-14.  By the time I got to my car the score 31-24.  See y'all back at DATCU Stadium 2026 maybe if we have a new head coach or EM wins 9 games in 2025.  I can't afford to spend money on something that just frustrates me.

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This is where I have been for a little bit. I went to a couple of the games where I thought they could make a difference in their national credibility, and we know how that went. Not sure why I was expecting anything different.

[greenjoe]

3 year contracts.  1 year extension for bowl appearances.  

[Green with Envy]

  On 11/24/2024 at 2:55 PM, greenjoe said:

3 year contracts.  1 year extension for bowl appearances.  

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No.  No extensions for appearances.  6-wins should not be rewarded in any way.   Don’t reward mediocrity. 

Extension for conference championship games.  Raise the standards.   
 

#ReallyNewDenton

[meangreenfaninno]

  On 11/24/2024 at 2:55 PM, greenjoe said:

3 year contracts.  1 year extension for bowl appearances.  

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Given NIL etc this makes sense.

[keith]

  On 11/24/2024 at 1:34 PM, Sig381 said:

This is a good point. NIL has changed the game and we at North Texas has a long way to go . But turning over your whole roster each year would be difficult. If you sign a coach for three years a high school recruit would be hesitant to sign up with a coach knowing he will leave possibly when he is a red shirt sophomore . I believe you do have to sign a coach for five years for recruiting stability but have buy out packages along the way. 

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This world does not exist anymore.  It used to, but not in the portal and NIL age of college football.  If players cared about coaching staff stability they would not be transferring at the rate they are.  If this thinking permeates our AD, then they need to look for a new line of work because that ship sailed.  Seriously, how many 17-18 years olds sit down and review the contracts of the coaches to decide which offer to take?

High school recruiting should be de-emphasized.  It can't go away completely, but building a program through the high school ranks over multiple years no longer works.  When recruiting high school players, I think the only "stability" play is academic stability.  There are a lot of players that have the skill and ability to play D1 football, but won't make it to the next level.  Hopefully they are smart enough to realize that.  Sell them (and their parents!) on playing a sport they love and getting a solid education and degree while they do.  That's why it's important to continue to improve the academic status of UNT.  We're not going to be a Stanford, but improving 4-year graduation rates and tighter admission standards will help.  

[MeanGreenZen]

Why should we care much about high school recruits anymore?

I would focus on recruiting Sun Belt/CUSA, D2, D3, JUCO and NAIA STUDS. Guys who have proven themselves at a higher level. Along with some P4 drop downs who have also gotten reps but have suffered a setback and are looking for an opportunity to make an impact. 

There is no reason to develop a high school player anymore. If a high school player is ready to step on the field and compete NOW, let’s get him. 

Until the rules change or our NIL gets to a level where we can hang on to good guys for multiple seasons (which will probably be never) then team-building is year-to-year proposition. Get the guys who have reps at higher levels and have spent time in college weight programs. 

We will get poached by the schools higher in the current food chain than us, we need to be doing the same to the schools below us. That is just how it is right now and if we can properly identify and acquire that available talent, we can win. 

Both of our basketball teams have successfully done this. 

Edited November 24, 2024 by MeanGreenZen

[Stix]

  On 11/24/2024 at 2:55 PM, greenjoe said:

3 year contracts.  1 year extension for bowl appearances.  

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  On 11/24/2024 at 3:17 PM, Green with Envy said:

No.  No extensions for appearances.  6-wins should not be rewarded in any way.   Don’t reward mediocrity. 

Extension for conference championship games.  Raise the standards. 

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Given NIL, how about 2 year contracts?

How about an extension for a bowl win?

[MAX KOCH]

  On 11/24/2024 at 3:22 PM, meangreenfaninno said:

Given NIL etc this makes sense.

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  On 11/24/2024 at 2:55 PM, greenjoe said:

3 year contracts.  1 year extension for bowl appearances.  

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bowl wins

[Green with Envy]

  On 11/24/2024 at 5:31 PM, Stix said:

 

Given NIL, how about 2 year contracts?

How about an extension for a bowl win?

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No. I don’t want to reward my 6-7 team for beating another 6-7 team.  
 

#ReallyNewDenton

[GreenEggs&Ham™]

The coaches caused the NIL issue in the first place with their outsized salaries and ridiculous employment contracts. And you better believe these AD's and coaches all are in on it and look after each other's financial interest. The players saw this and said "screw it" I'm getting paid too.

How many of you on GMG have an employment contract or make what these clowns do a year? 

If you add up all the players and coaches and staff, what is that? Like 150 people? Even Ohio State's annual budget is only $215 million. In the business world, managing $200/million/year and 150 people isn't that big a deal and you certainly won't be compensated like a college football coach. This system is rigged!

I say that coaches should be at will employees like the rest of us, now that they screwed up College Football.

[greenjoe]

I like the notion of a bowl win for an extension but I’m thinking that might be too steep a mountain to climb contract wise.  But however it’s done, get rid of the 5 year deal.  And don’t get so excited if a guy has a good season.  That’s what he’s getting paid millions for.

[3_n_out]

  On 11/24/2024 at 4:32 PM, MeanGreenZen said:

Why should we care much about high school recruits anymore?

I would focus on recruiting Sun Belt/CUSA, D2, D3, JUCO and NAIA STUDS. Guys who have proven themselves at a higher level. Along with some P4 drop downs who have also gotten reps but have suffered a setback and are looking for an opportunity to make an impact. 

There is no reason to develop a high school player anymore. If a high school player is ready to step on the field and compete NOW, let’s get him. 

Until the rules change or our NIL gets to a level where we can hang on to good guys for multiple seasons (which will probably be never) then team-building is year-to-year proposition. Get the guys who have reps at higher levels and have spent time in college weight programs. 

We will get poached by the schools higher in the current food chain than us, we need to be doing the same to the schools below us. That is just how it is right now and if we can properly identify and acquire that available talent, we can win. 

Both of our basketball teams have successfully done this. 

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I ABSOLUTELY agree! We had 77 new players, but most were freshmen. You can’t win with freshmen. They leaned too much on this IMO. It’ll take a good 2.5-3 years for them to hit their stride. By that time…hello portal. 

[Venson]

  On 11/24/2024 at 3:41 PM, keith said:

High school recruiting should be de-emphasized.  It can't go away completely, but building a program through the high school ranks over multiple years no longer works.

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I am starting to agree with this. I think I heard Deion Sanders say that if a high school kid is not ready to play on day one, then he is not recruiting them. We may need to do that. If not, we are going to end up being one of this kids few offers at the FBS level because no one else is recruiting him. We develop him to a ready to play status and off to the portal he goes.

[rcade]

  On 11/24/2024 at 1:34 PM, Sig381 said:

If you sign a coach for three years a high school recruit would be hesitant to sign up with a coach knowing he will leave possibly when he is a red shirt sophomore .

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Is that a problem any more at the G5 level? Recruits go somewhere hoping for transfer portal opportunities. It would take sustained success or non-football considerations to make players want to be somewhere four years, not a coach they liked when they were still in high school.