I hope we lose to Temple

UNTcrazy727 · November 24

17 minutes ago, GMG24 said:

Not sure everyone is understanding of college football landscape. Miami paid a transfer DL $250,000 AND THE DUDE DOESN'T PLAY, He is a back up (insurance policy if you will.) I totally understand on not wanting to throw money at players but the reality is if you can pay, kids will join. If not, you're relying on finding kids who don't care about money (GOOD LUCK) and just want to compete and win football games.

On our current roster 4 players from Littrell era contributed to wins this season. Jordan Brown, Damon Ward, Jett Duncan, and Rod Brown. We played 10 games with a very sub par DC. We did not pursue the portal near hard enough to help fill holes in the defensive scheme. IMO at our level we should be a 4 down front with the ability to hop in and out of 3 down when needed in favorable down and distances. 46 players on the current roster are Jr or Sr.

The vast majority of this roster are So, RS Fr, and the biggest group being true Freshman. You don't win a bunch of games at any level with a bunch of true freshman. The fact we've been in them to compete has been a miracle (No I am not happy we aren't pulling them out or winning.) The young and transfer talent they have brought in is encouraging to me personally. Should we play better, should we be making more plays, ABSOLUTELY. However, coach can't catch the ball for guys, coach can't catch wide open TD's for guys. Coach can't magically make a walk on WR/ ST guy into a bonafide D1 RB. Our scholarship RB's have been banged up like crazy and we have relied on a walk on, and 2 True Freshman RB. I think we go to Temple, play very well and get into a bowl game and then its on.

Coach lost our most productive OL in pregame to a freak injury...... PREGAME. Sometimes the ball doesn't bounce your way. Is he perfect? no, but to call for the staff and his job is silly in year 2. The guy did a total rebuild last year and had us IN games with a completely rebuilt roster. He needs to make the right DC hire in the offseason. My pick is La Tech current DC. We will see what happens.

You make valid points, but most on this site lack logic and reason. They’ll just say they’re better fans for expecting more and that you’re part of the problem.

UNTcrazy727 · November 24

15 hours ago, NTSU52 said:

Geeze yall are so f’ing negative all damn time

I swear most people here are happier when UNT loses just so they can bitch and moan and tear people down.

emmitt01 · November 24

45 minutes ago, UNTcrazy727 said:

I swear most people here are happier when UNT loses just so they can bitch and moan and tear people down.

No, most people are happier when the product they support with time, energy, and (most importantly) money has some ROI.

Tell ya what, name for me another thing you’d invest those three things in with no expectation of a pay off prior to year three…especially when those year three expectations are based on the biggest of “maybes”

Edited November 24 by emmitt01

3_n_out · November 24

Some fans claim lack of logic keeping EM when they also wanted SL gone. To me, we essentially extended SL to 5 more years by way of EM. Tell me I’m wrong.

NT80 · Monday at 04:55 AM

8 hours ago, Side.Show.Joe said:

I whole-heartedly disagree. We are not a mob. We are the fan base, and the only ones that actually give a crap. That's why we are demanding more than the sh!t show that is currently being feed to us. I refuse to marginalize the frustration of our fans. And if our AD can't or won't fund a Morris buyout, then he needs to be replaced too. Our stadium is usually half full on game day, when we have around 400,000 alums within an hour of campus. It is time we get someone that can build a real program in Denton, not make excuses for why we should continue to accept failing in football.

Seriously? The AD doesn't care about verbal fan demands...unless you have a check with lots of $$$ on it to give??

Every fan of every team that is below .500 is also demanding their coach and AD be fired. It's a yearly tradition. One we have participated in far too often.

Anyway....the point is (most) everyone on this board is a fan, and nobody is happy about losing. The first reaction in losing is fire the coach. You already know it won't happen until money is not an issue. Why didn't we fire the DC on a 2-year contract after his first season? $$

NT80 · Monday at 05:02 AM

8 hours ago, Green with Envy said:

Aren’t all of the assistants on year-to-year contracts?

Morris has a buyout somewhere around $2M. Why do we need $5-10M to make a change?

To hire a Coach that isn't such a risk takes $$.

Otherwise you:

-hire a fired former Head Coach and take a chance (McCarney),

-hire a hot shot Coordinator at a P4 and hope he knows how to become a HC (Seth),

-or hire a HC from a lower division and hope he can translate his style to FBS level (Morris)

Green with Envy · Monday at 01:57 PM

9 hours ago, NT80 said:

To hire a Coach that isn't such a risk takes $$.

So you are advocating for a 400% pay increase for the next HC so we can [hopefully] get out of this mess?

If we had that kind of money, I’m rolling with Morris and putting $3.7M towards the OL/DL, easy.

Edited Monday at 02:31 PM by Green with Envy

Hunter Green · Monday at 03:26 PM

If Morris stays another year, then I hope we beat Temple and go to the Frisco Bowl. Not was I was hoping for earlier in the year, but any bowl will help with recruiting IMHO.

GMG24 · Monday at 03:26 PM

15 hours ago, emmitt01 said:

No, most people are happier when the product they support with time, energy, and (most importantly) money has some ROI.

Tell ya what, name for me another thing you’d invest those three things in with no expectation of a pay off prior to year three…especially when those year three expectations are based on the biggest of “maybes”

I totally understand the frustration ( no one is as frustrated as the next true UNT alumni/Fan.) The roster has been rebuilt, the reality is you don't win a lot of games when relying on Freshman - Sophomores to be the main contributors. The jump from HS to College is vast and takes time to adjust to typically. I would say if we are experiencing the same issues in year 3 then its time to hit the panic button. We have shown to have the capability to play with the top of the top in our league. Yes we crapped the bed at some point, yes it absolutely needs to get fixed. If you fire Morris now, you're going to be dealing with the same stuff next 2 maybe 3 years as a roster gets totally rebuilt. The portal will decimate a roster in HC Turmoil. I believe some of the hoarding that the big boys do of the good OL/DL will slow when they limit roster sizes FWIW so guys we're losing out on may be forced to fall to us due to numbers.

3_n_out · Monday at 03:41 PM

10 hours ago, NT80 said:

To hire a Coach that isn't such a risk takes $$.

Otherwise you:

-hire a fired former Head Coach and take a chance (McCarney),

-hire a hot shot Coordinator at a P4 and hope he knows how to become a HC (Seth),

-or hire a HC from a lower division and hope he can translate his style to FBS level (Morris)

The small time thinking has gotten us to where we are. They need to fully invest in the football program and not be “all in” jerry jones style

Side.Show.Joe · Monday at 06:11 PM

13 hours ago, NT80 said:

Seriously? The AD doesn't care about verbal fan demands...unless you have a check with lots of $$$ on it to give??

Every fan of every team that is below .500 is also demanding their coach and AD be fired. It's a yearly tradition. One we have participated in far too often.

Anyway....the point is (most) everyone on this board is a fan, and nobody is happy about losing. The first reaction in losing is fire the coach. You already know it won't happen until money is not an issue. Why didn't we fire the DC on a 2-year contract after his first season? $$

I'm sure RV didn't care about the verbal demands of fans either, until they flew a banner calling for his job.

And comparing our situation to every other sub .500 team is disingenuous. Just in the AAC... FAU, Charlotte & Tulsa have already fired their 2nd year coaches. If they can afford to fire their coaches, but we can't then Mosley isn't qualified to be our AD. Under Mosley and Morris this football program is still a sh!t show. Name the other FBS teams that started their season 5-1 and have now lost 5 straight games? I'll wait.

NT80 · Monday at 07:19 PM

1 hour ago, Side.Show.Joe said:

I'm sure RV didn't care about the verbal demands of fans either, until they flew a banner calling for his job.

And comparing our situation to every other sub .500 team is disingenuous. Just in the AAC... FAU, Charlotte & Tulsa have already fired their 2nd year coaches. If they can afford to fire their coaches, but we can't then Mosley isn't qualified to be our AD. Under Mosley and Morris this football program is still a sh!t show. Name the other FBS teams that started their season 5-1 and have now lost 5 straight games? I'll wait.

I agree I'd like to see where those schools get the dollars to buy out 3-year's worth of head coach salary.

It's time for G5 programs to go to 2-3 year head coaching contracts max. If the guy is really good he will leave anyway for a P4 job. If he's really bad you want him gone, and if he has potential then add extensions as needed...but not Seth type extensions...so be careful!

Aquila_Viridis · Monday at 07:23 PM

None of the 5 losses we’ve just incurred were to Miami or any program remotely comparable to it.

rws69 · Monday at 11:29 PM

I cannot root for NT to lose. Beat Temple, decline a bowl bid, and finish 6-6.

NM Green · Tuesday at 02:17 AM

Never turn down college football. There will never be such a thing as too much college football in my book.

But win on Saturday then get shipped out of state to a bowl game we won’t have many fans. This team needs to escape us. We might set ourselves on fire with a blowout to Texas state in Frisco. Win then send us to Boston or Boca. This team cannot be around us fans right now.

GMG

DentonLurker · 2024-11-30T22:04:32Z

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Rudy · 2024-11-30T22:22:30Z

On 11/24/2024 at 3:04 PM, UNTcrazy727 said:

The schedule is favorable next year and our best chance at success is with Morris. If he can’t win in year 3 with a favorable schedule, then sure, call for his firing. But to do it now would be dumb AF.

The schedule was favorable this year. And I don't have the records of last year's opponents in front of me, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't a gauntlet of powerhouse teams either.

Edited 5 hours ago by Rudy

Meangreen Fight · 2024-12-01T01:06:29Z

On 11/23/2024 at 7:29 PM, UNTLifer said:

I don’t care. I won’t watch and, if we win and make a bowl game, I won’t watch either. Glad I didn’t renew my season tickets this year, because I just don’t care any more.

On to basketball for me.

I stopped when I could give tickets away to people who live in Denton and like football. After the new smell wore off Apogee (DATCU) it was impossible to give 3 tickets out of set of 4 away. Then I would have to drag one of my sons kicking and screaming to fill one of my 2 season ticket seats. Now I buy week of the game. In 2025 I probably won't even do that. Just very sad. Leadership doesn't care to win just participate. When and if Clemson breaks free of AAC we will end up in something more FCS than FBS. And I am not sure how they will pay the bills with that reduced revenue. 😥

yyz28 · 2024-12-01T01:39:09Z

I can’t root against my team. Just can’t do it. I’m frustrated. I want better. But a ball game means a whole lot, not just to the football team, but the band, the dancers, the cheerleaders, and everybody else who participates. With all due respect, it isn’t about what the fans want, it’s about creating opportunities for the students.

God knows I get as frustrated as anybody, but I just can’t get there, rooting against this team to fail, even if at a fan it set up a potential better tomorrow.

It’s about the students first. Us alumni and fans have to come second.