**OFFICIAL ECU vs UNT IN-GAME DISCUSSION*

keith · November 24

Only being down 1 score just north of 2 minutes left in the game with the 2-minute time-out and all 3 of your time-outs remaining, do you risk it all on a 4th and 8 from your own 32 to keep a potential game-winning drive alive or do you punt to flip the field, get a stop and the ball back with a chance to win on the last possession? Discuss….

El Paso Eagle · November 24

1 hour ago, greenminer said:

EM was the first hire in my fandom (1999) that on paper made a ton of sense. Every single succession of hires since then was very reactionary: we went from running (DD) to passing (Dodge). Then we went from young and passing (Dodge) to old age, old school (McCarney). Then we went back to youth and tried the Leach tree

In many ways, the EM hire being another young Leach guy, was the department's first attempt to seek consistency. Remember, SL was wnning some games, just failing in the important ones. I liked it, because it seemed like all this was was taking something that was almost there, and tweaking it as needed.

Great point, however I think we all failed to, and most importantly Mosley failed to understand this guy had absolutely no concept of defense.

I wonder how much more is trying to be the offensive coordinator and head coach has hurt him. This game seems to be too much at this level for him.

Edited November 24 by El Paso Eagle

GMG_Dallas · November 24

15 minutes ago, greenminer said:

. Remember, SL was wnning some games, just failing in the important ones. I liked it, because it seemed like all this was was taking something that was almost there, and tweaking it as needed.

In hindsight, EM made no sense for this very reason. SL had us close, just couldn't take the next step. We were in a position that warranted an experienced FBS head coach to make the leap. Instead we got a first time FBS coach with the same learning curve as SL. Spending three years as a head coach at any level isn’t enough. He never even saw his first freshman graduate. I feel like we're in neutral at this point. The sooner we cut ties the better.

NT93 · November 24

7 minutes ago, keith said:

Only being down 1 score just north of 2 minutes left in the game with the 2-minute time-out and all 3 of your time-outs remaining, do you risk it all on a 4th and 8 from your own 32 to keep a potential game-winning drive alive or do you punt to flip the field, get a stop and the ball back with a chance to win on the last possession? Discuss….

It was one of the few going for it on 4th downs I agreed with this year. Didn’t particularly like the 3rd down or 4th down play calls though.

GMG_Dallas · November 24

Just now, NT93 said:

It was one of the few going for it on 4th downs I agreed with this year. Didn’t particularly like the 3rd down or 4th down play calls though.

Agreed. You punt it there and a single first down is game over. The fact you're at 4th and 8 though is ridiculous.

greenminer · November 24

22 minutes ago, greenminer said:

I dont' know about a presser, but EM was on the post-game radio show.

keith · November 24

2 minutes ago, NT93 said:

It was one of the few going for it on 4th downs I agreed with this year. Didn’t particularly like the 3rd down or 4th down play calls though.

I’m torn on this one. You don’t pick up the first, you still have a chance, but the game is likely over. Punt it and you extend the game. ECU won’t want to risk a turn-over around their 20, so they go conservative. Maybe we force a fumble. We need our defense to get a stop which may be as risky as 4th and 8. I dunno…coin toss. We ultimately got the ball back, but down now down two scores.

GoMeanGreen1999 · November 24

So according to his postgame, he says the interim DC did a phenomenal job coaching today. I don't consider giving up 40 points phenomenal.

When asked what has gone wrong in the last 5 losses, he says "too much to discuss."

He does not not have it.

3_n_out · November 24

2 hours ago, untbowler said:

last play of the game shows everything about EM, 4th and 11 gets a screen pass and runs OB. All coaching and discipline.

Where would he be if he couldn’t call a screen pass to his WRs ?

NT93 · November 24

11 minutes ago, keith said:

I’m torn on this one. You don’t pick up the first, you still have a chance, but the game is likely over. Punt it and you extend the game. ECU won’t want to risk a turn-over around their 20, so they go conservative. Maybe we force a fumble. We need our defense to get a stop which may be as risky as 4th and 8. I dunno…coin toss. We ultimately got the ball back, but down now down two scores.

For most teams, punting it away would have been reasonable, but I would have lost my mind if we’d punted based on our tendencies. I feel like we’ve gone for it with very similar field position in the first half of games this year.

3_n_out · November 24

1 hour ago, Big Z said:

Our AD is a wimp

The football coach sucks

Nothing has gotten better

This is the M.O. of this university. Always hiring bumbling idiots that have no clue how to run the show. They just keep throwing $hit against the wall hoping something sticks. We’re embarrassing ourselves on national tv constantly, and have now officially took a couple of steps back as far as the football program is concerned. Massive, massive failure.

untbowler · November 24

28 minutes ago, GoMeanGreen1999 said:

So according to his postgame, he says the interim DC did a phenomenal job coaching today. I don't consider giving up 40 points phenomenal.

When asked what has gone wrong in the last 5 losses, he says "too much to discuss."

He does not not have it.

What f'n game was EM watching? First half was solid, but the defense did nothing in the 2nd half nor make any adjustments. That comment alone tells you EM has no clue what he doing

Andrew · November 24

5 hours ago, Rudy said:

Yeah, they can't find a medium. It's either make your ears bleed, or non-existent.

And it seems like they try to adjust it while it’s on…. At least that is what it sounds like.

cousin oliver · November 24

2 hours ago, GoMeanGreen1999 said:

So according to his postgame, he says the interim DC did a phenomenal job coaching today. I don't consider giving up 40 points phenomenal.

Seems weird that he would say that. Are you sure you heard him accurately?

Rudy · November 24

Guys, gals, I'm seriously at a loss here. I'm not surprised we lost. I had zero faith after seeing the team quit in San Antonio. Even allowing an 83 yard touchdown run at the end of the game showed me this team has quit. I still think the athletic department owes me a check for the ticket, gas, wear on my car, parking, my food, and reimbursement for the two days I took off of work to go down there, but I know that's a pipe dream.

I've been on board with firing EM for a while. I even thought he should have been let go last year. I saw NOTHING from him to make me think he was the guy. I let my hopes get up when we hit 5-1, but I won't be fooled by him again.

He has lost this team, they've quit. Expect another off season of mass exodus. Even IF, by some miracle, we make it to a bowl game, the players have seen the truth about EM. Be prepared to be humbled by Temple.

This HAS to be the worst mid season collapse in program history. I've only been watching this program since the late '90's, but this has to take the cake.

I had a lot more to say about this pure shit show, but to be honest, I just don't have it in me.

meangreenfaninno · November 24

2 minutes ago, Rudy said:

Guys, gals, I'm seriously at a loss here. I'm not surprised we lost. I had zero faith after seeing the team quit in San Antonio. Even allowing an 83 yard touchdown run at the end of the game showed me this team has quit. I still think the athletic department owes me a check for the ticket, gas, wear on my car, parking, my food, and reimbursement for the two days I took off of work to go down there, but I know that's a pipe dream.

I've been on board with firing EM for a while. I even thought he should have been let go last year. I saw NOTHING from him to make me think he was the guy. I let my hopes get up when we hit 5-1, but I won't be fooled by him again.

He has lost this team, they've quit. Expect another off season of mass exodus. Even IF, by some miracle, we make it to a bowl game, the players have seen the truth about EM. Be prepared to be humbled by Temple.

This HAS to be the worst mid season collapse in program history. I've only been watching this program since the late '90's, but this has to take the cake.

I had a lot more to say about this pure shit show, but to be honest, I just don't have it in me.

Excellent post @Rudy

could not have said it better myself

El Paso Eagle · November 24

3 hours ago, GMG_Dallas said:

In hindsight, EM made no sense for this very reason. SL had us close, just couldn't take the next step. We were in a position that warranted an experienced FBS head coach to make the leap. Instead we got a first time FBS coach with the same learning curve as SL. Spending three years as a head coach at any level isn’t enough. He never even saw his first freshman graduate. I feel like we're in neutral at this point. The sooner we cut ties the better.

3_n_out · November 24

12 hours ago, greenminer said:

I dont' know about a presser, but EM was on the post-game radio show.

S.O.S. We made too many mistakes…we didn’t play complimentary football…had our chances…I could’ve called a better play to help us out…defense gave up too much…blah blah blah. It’s the same excuses he puts out there the past 5-6 weeks. Seems to me that all goes back to coaching. All of this is a product he created with his environment and culture. This is what you get when you have a coach that’s inexperienced and doesn’t know how to get out of funks. No proper adjustments and make the same mistakes over and over and over again.

Green with Envy · November 24

1 hour ago, 3_n_out said:

S.O.S. We made too many mistakes…we didn’t play complimentary football…had our chances…I could’ve called a better play to help us out…defense gave up too much…blah blah blah. It’s the same excuses he puts out there the past 5-6 weeks. Seems to me that all goes back to coaching. All of this is a product he created with his environment and culture. This is what you get when you have a coach that’s inexperienced and doesn’t know how to get out of funks. No proper adjustments and make the same mistakes over and over and over again.

His words are empty now.

Green with Envy · November 24

10 hours ago, Rudy said:

Guys, gals, I'm seriously at a loss here. I'm not surprised we lost. I had zero faith after seeing the team quit in San Antonio. Even allowing an 83 yard touchdown run at the end of the game showed me this team has quit. I still think the athletic department owes me a check for the ticket, gas, wear on my car, parking, my food, and reimbursement for the two days I took off of work to go down there, but I know that's a pipe dream.

I've been on board with firing EM for a while. I even thought he should have been let go last year. I saw NOTHING from him to make me think he was the guy. I let my hopes get up when we hit 5-1, but I won't be fooled by him again.

He has lost this team, they've quit. Expect another off season of mass exodus. Even IF, by some miracle, we make it to a bowl game, the players have seen the truth about EM. Be prepared to be humbled by Temple.

This HAS to be the worst mid season collapse in program history. I've only been watching this program since the late '90's, but this has to take the cake.

I had a lot more to say about this pure shit show, but to be honest, I just don't have it in me.

You sure said a lot for not having it in you to say 😂😂

greenminer · November 24

3_n_out · November 24

4 hours ago, greenminer said:

He had a lot of coach speak in that interview, but somehow I believed his more than I do our own coach.

TIgreen01 · November 24

17 hours ago, Rudy said:

…

This HAS to be the worst mid season collapse in program history. I've only been watching this program since the late '90's, but this has to take the cake.

You guys realize that all that has happened to this point in the season is that we’ve beaten all the teams we should have (teams with way below .500 records) and lost to every single team that had a winning record? It’s exactly what a mediocre team does. We’ve seen this show for years now. It’s just that the way our schedule lined up it looks like a collapse.

Next week we play a pretty lousy Temple squad. I expect we will win that game unless it is played in a winter storm. Then we can judge if this was a collapse, or just doing what we’ve been doing since 2021.

scratch1976 · November 25

This game literally made me vomit at end of game! 🤮🤮🤮🤮

Rudy · November 25

4 hours ago, TIgreen01 said:

You guys realize that all that has happened to this point in the season is that we’ve beaten all the teams we should have (teams with way below .500 records) and lost to every single team that had a winning record? It’s exactly what a mediocre team does. We’ve seen this show for years now. It’s just that the way our schedule lined up it looks like a collapse.

Next week we play a pretty lousy Temple squad. I expect we will win that game unless it is played in a winter storm. Then we can judge if this was a collapse, or just doing what we’ve been doing since 2021.

Honestly, how can anyone just shrug this off is beyond me. This dude is a joke and has to go.