What is this program missing?

[UNT 90 Grad]

9 hours ago, meangreenfaninno said:

Good post and the simple answer is we need football to emulate what UNT basketball is doing.  UNT basketball has better recruiting, coaching and significantly more NIL support.

Losing to Southland’s McNeese State?

[southsideguy]

fans, I use to bleed green but it is getting harder and harder to go the games.  

[NTSU52]

5 hours ago, Cougar King said:

Simple. UNT has never won the conference and doesn't have a signature win that captured the nation attention. No 2-10 Arkansas doesn't count.

This part of your argument is just not true. North Texas has claimed 25 conference championships in football all time, tied for 13th most in the FBS. I would say a “signature win” would be the win over undefeated #22 UTSA in 2021. Looking a little further back, are you forgetting about the season we beat Rice and Texas Tech on the road, and also nearly beat Texas at DKR?

[Salsa_Verde]

57 minutes ago, NTSU52 said:

This part of your argument is just not true. North Texas has claimed 25 conference championships in football all time, tied for 13th most in the FBS. I would say a “signature win” would be the win over undefeated #22 UTSA in 2021. Looking a little further back, are you forgetting about the season we beat Rice and Texas Tech on the road, and also nearly beat Texas at DKR?

I don’t agree with cougar king like ever but you got to call a spade a spade…signature win against a good power conference team maybe this century?…the last conference championship this program won is what 20 years ago? Last bowl win more than a decade ago? The fact you mention how North Texas “almost” won against Texas in like what…the 70s?!…also does not help your argument 

Edited 14 hours ago by Salsa_Verde

[Cougar King]

9 hours ago, NTSU52 said:

This part of your argument is just not true. North Texas has claimed 25 conference championships in football all time, tied for 13th most in the FBS. I would say a “signature win” would be the win over undefeated #22 UTSA in 2021. Looking a little further back, are you forgetting about the season we beat Rice and Texas Tech on the road, and also nearly beat Texas at DKR?

 

This is exactly the problem. UTSA? Really?

Beating Texas Tech was what? 30 years ago in a season where you went like 7-5.

Almost Beating UT? That's still a loss.

 

The fact that you have to go back several years and mention close losses drives my point home.

Edited 5 hours ago by Cougar King

[peanuts104]

13 hours ago, Cougar King said:

Simple. UNT has never won the conference and doesn't have a signature win that captured the nation attention. No 2-10 Arkansas doesn't count.

 

UNT also needs a Heisman Candidate to be the face of the team. It was ALMOST there with Mason Fine but it was squandered, opportunity after opportunity keep being missed.

 

Until UNT has a marketable face of the team, actually take down P4 opponents and win the conference, the same story will keep repeating itself. 

 

UCF had Blake Bortles take them to the Fiesta Bowl and a big run followed by Milton McKenzie beating Auburn.

Boise had Kellen Moore, Jared Zanbranski and others followed with wins over Oregon, Georgia, Oklahoma, etc.

 

Cincinatti had a 14-0 run to the Sugar Bowl followed by back to back undefeated runs with Desmond Ridder.

 

Houston had a great 2011 run with Case Keenum where we beat UCLA and Penn State in a January Bowl Game. In 2009 we beat #5 Oklahoma State and Texas Tech back to back.

In 2015 with Greg Ward Jr, we went 13-1, beat Louisville, Vanderbilt, ranked Navy, ranked Memphis, ranked Temple in the AAC Championship and Florida State in the Peach Bowl

2016, we had Ward back and Ed Oliver and beat Top 5 Oklahoma and Top 5 Louisville on National TV.

[Cougar King]

1 hour ago, peanuts104 said:

 

So in other words, you know I'm right and don't have anything intelligent to add. It's not my fault you'll most likely go your entire lifetime without ever seeing UNT win anything. 

[peanuts104]

1 hour ago, Cougar King said:

 

So in other words, you know I'm right and don't have anything intelligent to add. It's not my fault you'll most likely go your entire lifetime without ever seeing UNT win anything. 

UNT could spend its entire time as a football program in mediocrity and it still wouldn't be as sad as you hanging around on another team's message board.

[UNTLifer]

3 hours ago, Cougar King said:

 

So in other words, you know I'm right and don't have anything intelligent to add. It's not my fault you'll most likely go your entire lifetime without ever seeing UNT win anything. 

No.  You're just the classic douchebag looking for attention.  You are so disliked by your own that  they removed you from their fan boards, so you found a place where the MOD's accept your dumbass. 

[meangreen2016]

We can hate on him but I do think he makes solid points. It is somewhat helpful to have an outside perspective that isn’t drinking the green kool-aid. (Although it crosses a line if that person starts kicking us while we’re down-which I don’t think he’s done in this post). 
 

So this offseason/next year looks like the following:

-give morris another year to see what he can build 

-hire a new defensive coordinator

-hopefully hang on to Chandler Morris and Sheffield

-pray for a healthy RB room

Anything I’m missing?

This year: Still think a bowl win gives the program some momentum going into next year. Maybe my expectations grew too large after that 5-1 start, but man there was a glaring need defensively that was not addressed. The offense has also just fallen off a cliff. 

[SilverEagle]

6 hours ago, Cougar King said:

 

This is exactly the problem. UTSA? Really?

Beating Texas Tech was what? 30 years ago in a season where you went like 7-5.

Almost Beating UT? That's still a loss.

 

The fact that you have to go back several years and mention close losses drives my point home.

I hate to help you out in any way, but Houston had some pretty signature wins back in the 60's that got them noticed. They beat #3 Michigan State 37-7 in 1967, in 68 they tied #4 Texas and #7 Georgia, and beat Tulsa a NCAA record 100-6. Those were the days of Warren McVea and the veer.

[Cougar King]

7 minutes ago, SilverEagle said:

I hate to help you out in any way, but Houston had some pretty signature wins back in the 60's that got them noticed. They beat #3 Michigan State 37-7 in 1967, in 68 they tied #4 Texas and #7 Georgia, and beat Tulsa a NCAA record 100-6. Those were the days of Warren McVea and the veer.

Right but if we hadn't done anything since the 60s, we wouldn't have a football program today. 

We were one vote away from dropping football 20 something years ago. Our adminstration basically told the Athletic Department that if the next guy didn't turn things around, that was it.

The next guy that was hired was Art Briles.