OFFICIAL ARMY VS MEAN GREEN IN-GAME DISCUSSION

GMG_Dallas · November 11

4 hours ago, MeanGreenMat said:

The stats with context tell us more. I feel like Army kept the defense on the field on purpose to limit a famously high flying North Texas team. I agree we had turnovers- how effective were they? How many 1st downs did army have in a single drive? Army never turned the ball over on downs with high 3rd down efficiency. We lucked out on the fumble from the RB. How long did it take to get the turnover? How was the field position that the defense earned? Those are better questions.

Our defense did a lot and I loved seeing the sack, near fumble (ruled an incompletion), interception, and lack of penalties(that pass interference in the red zone hurt) to deflate their passing game- all 4 attempts. Then, they took us on the ground. Daily slid early to drain more time on a run near the 50. They line up with the same formation for an easy read to gain a yard or two, but, more importantly, the clock starts back up. This was triple option football and I feel like we failed to disrupt their plans.

Daily had three runs near the 50 all game and all 3 came with the game at 7-3 and before the 4th quarter. Are you're really suggesting they were draining the clock up 4 with 20+ minutes to go instead of expanding their lead to two possessions?

Our defense was not shut down, sure. No G5 defense really ever is against the service academies if you think death by paper cut for 10 plays without allowing a score doesn't count. Your statements that our defense couldn't force turnovers for long periods of play and even lucked out on a fumble are asinine. Army doesn't committ foolish turnovers. They've had 3 turnovers all year, 2 of which were this past Saturday in Denton. That's not luck.

You don't want to give credit where it's due and that's fine. I'll move on to next week. You can keep ignoring the jobs our defense and special teams (sniffed out the fake punt) did. If our offense were truly elite, we'd have at least scored 1 touchdown. Couldn't even do that.

DeepGreen · November 11

On 11/9/2024 at 5:53 PM, Cougar King said:

We're on a winstreak and have taken over local news with our blue uniforms and blue merch selling out stores.

Also we have a Top 10 matchup with Auburn at the Toyota Center tonight.

Go to another board. Tell someone who gives a schit!

BBA1989 · November 11

17 hours ago, 97and03 said:

He also needs to fire the OC (himself) and run the whole team. Honestly, I think he has shown that he is just an OC and not a head coach.

He was a good HC at UIW, but he had Cam Ward to bail him out. You're right, he's an OC at best.

3_n_out · November 11

39 minutes ago, BBA1989 said:

He was a good HC at UIW, but he had Cam Ward to bail him out. You're right, he's an OC at best.

You can be a good coach at that level and compete because the talent level tends to be a little more comparable IMO. A little different when you’re in D-1.

UNTLifer · November 11

23 hours ago, Rudy said:

We've been plagued with injuries since 2014, after that S&C coach left for BYU.

Still has very little to do with strength and conditioning.

greenminer · November 11

5 hours ago, DeepGreen said:

Go to another board. Tell someone who gives a schit!

Want them to go away? Bore them off. They can wake up one day, knowing they won't get a response and move on. But it means you have to stop responding/quoting them.

I've accepted that this scenario isn't going to happen.

GrandGreen · November 11

On 11/10/2024 at 5:54 AM, UNT 90 Grad said:

NT held Army to the least points of the year, but also scored least points against them. Not exactly the normal results from this NT team.

Rudy · November 11

10 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

Still has very little to do with strength and conditioning.

It's literally half of their job. They prepare the players to withstand the rigors of their season and prevent injury.

Son Of A Flying Worm · November 11

19 hours ago, MeanGreenMat said:

The stats with context tell us more. I feel like Army kept the defense on the field on purpose to limit a famously high flying North Texas team. I agree we had turnovers- how effective were they? How many 1st downs did army have in a single drive? Army never turned the ball over on downs with high 3rd down efficiency. We lucked out on the fumble from the RB. How long did it take to get the turnover? How was the field position that the defense earned? Those are better questions.

Our defense did a lot and I loved seeing the sack, near fumble (ruled an incompletion), interception, and lack of penalties(that pass interference in the red zone hurt) to deflate their passing game- all 4 attempts. Then, they took us on the ground. Daily slid early to drain more time on a run near the 50. They line up with the same formation for an easy read to gain a yard or two, but, more importantly, the clock starts back up. This was triple option football and I feel like we failed to disrupt their plans.

I want us to be better on all sides of the ball. I don’t a moral victory. I want us to acknowledge that Army, just like Tulane 2 weeks ago, used the run effectively against the defense. However, they used it to play at their tempo/style limiting our offense time on the field. I love the heart these players showed. I feel like any one of those teams from Army’s past 13 games are not the caliber we should be proud of being better than (except Coastal and Navy). Watching at army launch the ball vs Temple, Tulsa, & UAB was insane. But Daily is a okay QB that fits the triple option scheme as a runner primarily. Horvath is a miracle for service academy passing. Daily has 51 passing attempts YTD versus Horvath’s monstrous 117 attempts for a service academy. Daily has the same interception rate as Henigan.

I’ll see y’all in San Antonio. I’m still excited to see this team play and I know we can win out the season. I just feel like they were par for the course this Army weekend. If anyone complained about the DC all season, this game should not sway someone.

I get where you're coming from about the defense and it's not totally unreasonable. Army just kept converting 3rd and 4th downs. It felt like they would just fall forward and get 4 yards at times. But as you mentioned the defense did some really good things. To add to that: we kept them below their season average in yards per carry, yards per play, scoring % per drive (only 33%), and doubled up their turnovers. It was a noteworthy performance.

We just don't have the personnel to match straight up against a good running team like them and consistently win 1 on 1 -- much less impose our will. Maybe next season. We could've been more aggressive and pressed closer to the LOS with our safeties, more blitzes, etc. Then one missed tackle or gap assignment and they're doing push ups in the south end zone.

UNTLifer · November 11

1 hour ago, Rudy said:

It's literally half of their job. They prepare the players to withstand the rigors of their season and prevent injury.

My point is that you can have the most conditioned player and they could have a season ending injury that has nothing to do with S&C.

greenminer · November 11

4 hours ago, GrandGreen said:

NT held Army to the least points of the year, but also scored least points against them. Not exactly the normal results from this NT team.

I feel like, when it comes to the upper half of conference, UNT's norm is to play to the level of the opponent.

So, some heartbreakers. The championship mindset finds a way to get the W. We need to get over this hump.

Rudy · November 11

3 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

My point is that you can have the most conditioned player and they could have a season ending injury that has nothing to do with S&C.

Absolutely. But when it's an ongoing issue year after year, there's a pattern.

untcampbell · November 12

The pattern is that a certain percentage of our recruits, for whatever reason, are smaller and slower than the teams we play. Big ask for the S/C coach to fix that.

Wonder if there are stats about how much a P5 coach gets above baseline on his 4/5 stars vs what more a G5 coach gets from his 2/3star guys. Less upside from the 4/5s, but S/Cs also teach heart and getting to your max, from whatever level you started. Equality vs equity, if you will.

GMG

keith · November 12

There was a play where Army had the ball near mid-field, 3rd and 5. Receiver was out wide left and our defender was lined up 10 yards off the line of scrimmage! Quick out to the receiver who picked up an easy first down. The TV coverage switched to Caponi, obviously pissed, screaming, "it was 3rd and 5!!" Apparently this was to admonish our defender for not lining up directly across from the receiver and actually defending the pass.

Well, it was a little late for that coach. Teams often play like they practice. How often was this game situation reviewed during practice or in the film room? We have some talent on the field, you can see it at times. Not so sure about what's on the sidelines.

NT93 · November 13

9 hours ago, keith said:

There was a play where Army had the ball near mid-field, 3rd and 5. Receiver was out wide left and our defender was lined up 10 yards off the line of scrimmage! Quick out to the receiver who picked up an easy first down. The TV coverage switched to Caponi, obviously pissed, screaming, "it was 3rd and 5!!" Apparently this was to admonish our defender for not lining up directly across from the receiver and actually defending the pass.

Well, it was a little late for that coach. Teams often play like they practice. How often was this game situation reviewed during practice or in the film room? We have some talent on the field, you can see it at times. Not so sure about what's on the sidelines.

Or maybe that’s why Caponi was so pissed because they’ve practiced it over and over.