24/25 MBB Attendance Tracker

wardly · February 22

On 2/21/2025 at 11:52 AM, NT80 said:

This is what needs fixed.

The arena is fine (and paid for).

It's the Athletic Department's marketing and student relationships that need MAJOR repairs!

Agreed! We must somehow get the students to games.

wardly · February 22

Our out of conference home game schedule really need improvement. While we may not get SMU or the Frogs,I think UTA would be a decent draw and a natural rival. How about thinking outside the box? Try a promotion offering TWU students bus transportation and a $5.00 ticket. Try local promotions with our high schools. I would think someone has done a survey asking UNT students what would it take for them to attend our sporting events . I would think.......

NorthTexasWeLove · February 22

1 hour ago, greenminer said:

Be the exception, not the excuse!

Yuuuup. They're doing right at GCU. Every time I see them sneak onto TV I am envious of their home court advantage they have created for themselves. Yet, our very own diehard fans bitch about people bitching about the nonexistent work ethic of our athletic department.

untphd · February 22

3 hours ago, greenminer said:

Be the exception, not the excuse!

Wow.

Matt from A700 · February 22

The Pit should be replaced, but maybe in the next 10-15 years. The athletic center expansion and getting all the women's teams out of high school facilities should be higher priorities, as well as other small projects you can do around Mean Green Village (still don't know why the grandstand was put on the West side of the new soccer stadium). I'll let y'all argue about if a new baseball program should come before a new arena.

But the basketball priority the next 10 years aside from winning should be increasing attendance. Improve the experience at The Pit - timeout games, concession offerings, build a walk-in merch store, add more bar areas... Really make the concourse a less depressing place. And figure out how to get the students and community out.

You see it for any sport at any level - the wonder of a new venue wears off quickly if the product inside is still not good.

NT80 · February 23

33 minutes ago, Matt from A700 said:

But the basketball priority the next 10 years aside from winning should be increasing attendance. Improve the experience at The Pit - timeout games, concession offerings, build a walk-in merch store, add more bar areas... Really make the concourse a less depressing place. And figure out how to get the students and community out.

This has to become a priority. What's the student problem, what's the fix?

It's not because the teams don't win.

greenminer · February 23

12 minutes ago, NT80 said:

What's the student problem, what's the fix?

It's not because the teams don't win.

you asked this in January. historically, liberal arts and ed majors are not into sports (as much). This is not just UNT.

On 1/28/2025 at 7:35 PM, NT80 said:

Very much confusing. There has to be a consulting group (?) that would investigate why our students, alums, and locals are not as passionate towards the school and it's athletic teams as we feel they should be. What is missing; what can be done to push them into becoming passionate fans?

On 1/28/2025 at 8:05 PM, greenminer said:

It’s the type of student. Education and liberal arts. I don’t think it’s a mystery.

now, changing that? No easy answer.

NorthTexasWeLove · February 23

46 minutes ago, greenminer said:

you asked this in January. historically, liberal arts and ed majors are not into sports (as much). This is not just UNT.

The elongated fix is to quit recruiting/attracting losers. I get it, not all lib arts people are losers. But if you're a liberal art type person and you are on thi ms site then you are 100% and anomaly within your professional community.

The quick fix is to get an AD in here that cares. Truly cares about UNT.

Matt from A700 · February 23

Yeah as @NorthTexasWeLove just said, it needs to be a university-wide effort. I am proud of our performing arts programs or that we have a lot of students who are the first in their families to attend school, but there needs to be some strategizing by the admissions leaders. Most of our students are from big metros. How could we get in front of more small town kids who are used to spending all their Friday nights at football games in the fall?

When it comes to student population, at this point try to focus on quality over quantity. Cap enrollment at 50K and work on building more dorms, getting more of your students on campus and intertwined with the student experience.

And there's gotta be something done with the Greeks. When I was a student from 2014-17 there was one home game a year where all the Greeks would show up for "points" or whatever but now it seems we don't even have that. I'm wondering if just doing one frat and sorority of the game every game instead of all at once for one game would be more enticing so each chapter on campus would get an opportunity to be showcased.

NT80 · February 23

3 hours ago, greenminer said:

you asked this in January. historically, liberal arts and ed majors are not into sports (as much). This is not just UNT.

I hear you, but that's the easy, lazy answer without any facts.

Out of 47,000 students there has to be enough "into sports" to fill more student seats.

I've seen them at NT games before, even in the past few years, back to many years ago.

Jared, what's the answer??

NT80 · February 23

2 hours ago, Matt from A700 said:

nt at 50K and work on building more dorms, getting more of your students on campus and intertwined with the student experience.

UNT owns/controls over 29,000 student beds on/near campus. Probably another 10K in apartments nearby. This is not a "commuter school" like some refer to it as.

NorthTexasWeLove · February 23

12 minutes ago, NT80 said:

UNT owns/controls over 29,000 student beds on/near campus. Probably another 10K in apartments nearby. This is not a "commuter school" like some refer to it as.

This is accurate. The commuter thing is way overplayed.

Aquila_Viridis · February 23

Ha! North Texas has for decades vastly appealed to young people who not only don’t give a hoot about sports, but for whom the idea, of sitting close together in an enclosed space singing the same songs in unison and wearing the same clothes, sounds like absolute torture. Those young people are not ‘losers’. Some of them will change as they move on and mature. Efforts would be better spent finding those.

NorthTexasWeLove · February 23

1 hour ago, Aquila_Viridis said:

Ha! North Texas has for decades vastly appealed to young people who not only don’t give a hoot about sports, but for whom the idea, of sitting close together in an enclosed space singing the same songs in unison and wearing the same clothes, sounds like absolute torture. Those young people are not ‘losers’. Some of them will change as they move on and mature. Efforts would be better spent finding those.

Loser has many definitions. But I would definitely think that if one thinks they are too cool for something then they are definitely a loser and we are greater without the type.

keith · February 23

14 hours ago, Matt from A700 said:

Really make the concourse a less depressing place.

Maybe the concourse can be turned into something of a student art gallery with a rotating display of exhibits or areas for the various colleges (business, education, engineering, liberal arts and social studies, etc.) or student groups to promote themselves.

greenminer · February 23

16 hours ago, NT80 said:

I hear you, but that's the easy, lazy answer without any facts.

Out of 47,000 students there has to be enough "into sports" to fill more student seats.

I've seen them at NT games before, even in the past few years, back to many years ago.

Jared, what's the answer??

you just listed the facts. We have 47k students, primarily liberal arts and ed majors, and struggle to fill our venues. For generations.

its not complex, and that doesn’t make anyone lazy for putting 2 and 2 together.

you also have your answer: with enough work from the right people, we should get just enough of those, even just a small percentage, to come. We don’t need all of them.

NorthTexasWeLove · February 23

51 minutes ago, greenminer said:

you just listed the facts. We have 47k students, primarily liberal arts and ed majors, and struggle to fill our venues. For generations.

its not complex, and that doesn’t make anyone lazy for putting 2 and 2 together.

you also have your answer: with enough work from the right people, we should get just enough of those, even just a small percentage, to come. We don’t need all of them.

Primarily? Is it, really, though?

NT80 · February 23

58 minutes ago, greenminer said:

you just listed the facts. We have 47k students, primarily liberal arts and ed majors, and struggle to fill our venues. For generations.

its not complex, and that doesn’t make anyone lazy for putting 2 and 2 together.

you also have your answer: with enough work from the right people, we should get just enough of those, even just a small percentage, to come. We don’t need all of them.

I'm not seeing it.

Depends on definitions of liberal arts vs non-liberal arts majors.

Just so we have some more facts to work with...

University of North Texas Majors

Ten Most Popular Majors for 2023 Graduates

Business, Management, Marketing, and Related Support Services

19%
Multi/Interdisciplinary Studies

9%
Visual and Performing Arts

9%
Psychology

8%
Communication, Journalism, and Related Programs

7%

Biological and Biomedical Sciences

6%
Computer and Information Sciences and Support Services

5%
Liberal Arts and Sciences, General Studies and Humanities

5%
Education

4%
Parks, Recreation, Leisure, Fitness, and Kinesiology

4%

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/unt-3594/academics#:~:text=for 2023 Graduates-,Business%2C Management%2C Marketing%2C and Related Support Services,4%

Edited February 23 by NT80

NorthTexasWeLove · February 23

8 minutes ago, NT80 said:

I'm not seeing it.

Depends on definitions of liberal arts vs non-liberal arts majors.

Just so we have some more facts to work with...

University of North Texas Majors

Ten Most Popular Majors for 2023 Graduates

Business, Management, Marketing, and Related Support Services

19%

Multi/Interdisciplinary Studies

9%

Visual and Performing Arts

9%

Psychology

8%

Communication, Journalism, and Related Programs

7%

Biological and Biomedical Sciences

6%

Computer and Information Sciences and Support Services

5%

Liberal Arts and Sciences, General Studies and Humanities

5%

Education

4%

Parks, Recreation, Leisure, Fitness, and Kinesiology

4%

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/unt-3594/academics#:~:text=for 2023 Graduates-,Business%2C Management%2C Marketing%2C and Related Support Services,4%

Of course. It's just piped in lazy excuses from the people that go to extremes to defend this athletic department.

greenminer · February 24

5 hours ago, NT80 said:

I'm not seeing it.

Depends on definitions of liberal arts vs non-liberal arts majors.

Just so we have some more facts to work with...

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/unt-3594/academics#:~:text=for 2023 Graduates-,Business%2C Management%2C Marketing%2C and Related Support Services,4%

Thank you. Here's what I have:

Degrees awarded, by college, 2016-2021. From The UNT 2022-2023 Fact Book (p36)

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45% of degrees awarded were in liberal arts and sciences, education, music, and visual arts

Not "primarily", if you want to wordsmith me lol, but 45% still seems like a lot.

Edited February 24 by greenminer

NorthTexasWeLove · February 24

11 minutes ago, greenminer said:

Thank you. Here's what I have:

Degrees awarded, by college, 2016-2021. From The UNT 2022-2023 Fact Book (p36)

45% of degrees awarded were in liberal arts and sciences, education, music, and visual arts

https://institutionalresearch.unt.edu/images/factbook_dair_2022-2023.pdf

Not "primarily", if you want to wordsmith me lol, but 45% still seems like a lot.

I understand the reference to liberal art types not being into sports... but do education majors fit this mold? I'm thinking not. As someone that was an education major, I don't think it does.

greenminer · February 24

39 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

I understand the reference to liberal art types not being into sports... but do education majors fit this mold? I'm thinking not. As someone that was an education major, I don't think it does.

I was a MUED major, so I can't speak for non-music ed, but I imagine a lot of these secondary education teachers are giving sports priority to the employer school. It might be hard to expect them to come to UNT games (regularly), too?

I'm also reminded of the stories our older, Old-Denton era members, tell of the UNT professors who were (apparently) majority anti-athletics. Is that an academia thing, or something else?

Edited February 24 by greenminer

NorthTexasWeLove · February 24

3 minutes ago, greenminer said:

I was a MUED major, so I can't speak for non-music ed, but I imagine a lot of these secondary education teachers are giving sports priority to the employer school. It might be hard to expect them to come to UNT games (regularly), too?

Not really. Faculty is asked to sign up to a singular fall and spring game to help run concession, pressbox, gate, etc.

NT80 · February 24

2 hours ago, greenminer said:

Thank you. Here's what I have:

Degrees awarded, by college, 2016-2021. From The UNT 2022-2023 Fact Book (p36)

45% of degrees awarded were in liberal arts and sciences, education, music, and visual arts

Not "primarily", if you want to wordsmith me lol, but 45% still seems like a lot.

Ok, we can go with 45% of students assumed to be non-sports fans while in school and life after.

I count 40% of degrees awarded were in Business, Engineering, Info (IT), and Science.

Those probably would be considered where your typical college sports fans and potential "sports attending students" would come from on most campuses... maybe even someday to become rich guys and tech guys to give back to their schools? These are the students, plus Greeks, that the AD needs to focus on getting to games.

NTXDJ · February 24

On 2/22/2025 at 9:47 PM, NT80 said:

UNT owns/controls over 29,000 student beds on/near campus. Probably another 10K in apartments nearby. This is not a "commuter school" like some refer to it as.

The Fall 2023-2024 Fact Sheet states there are 6,419 beds in the residence halls.

"Housing (Campus): Fall 2023: 6,419 beds in 15 residence halls; no married/family housing; no staff
housing; (Includes Bruce Hall, Clark Hall, Crumley Hall, Honors Hall, Joe Greene Hall, Kerr Hall, Legends Hall,
Maple Hall, McConnell Hall, Mozart Square Hall, Rawlins Hall, Santa Fe Square, Traditions Hall, Victory Hall, and
West Hall)"

https://institutionalresearch.unt.edu/images/factsheet_2023-2024.pdf

So if ~6,500 are in the residence halls, are the remaining ~22,500 in University owned or controlled apartments?