24/25 MBB Attendance Tracker

[NorthTexasWeLove]

11 minutes ago, Shark84 said:

DFW media doesn't help promote us and that hurts.

Piss on the DFW media. Tired of hearing that bullshit excuse. It's simply not true. 

GCU has developed an atmosphere that we envy. They have Arizona State down the road and a basketball blueblood 70 miles away. Spare us. 

[Shark84]

2 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Piss on the DFW media. Tired of hearing that bullshit excuse. It's simply not true. 

GCU has developed an atmosphere that we envy. They have Arizona State down the road and a basketball blueblood 70 miles away. Spare us. 

Didn't say that was the reason fans don't show up, just that it doesn't help. 

[NorthTexasWeLove]

Just now, Shark84 said:

Didn't say that was the reason fans don't show up, just that it doesn't help. 

It certainly doesn't help. But a program ran with department motivation and support doesn't need that fluffed up empty comments on the 10 o'clock news. 

We don't draw because our athletic department SUCKS and has for decades. 

[untjim1995]

1 hour ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

To not hover at 5k as our avg and peak 2 or 3 times a year to 7k+ is an absolute pathetic joke and frankly people should be fired for avgeraging 3k+ and peaking to 5k, what, once? The athletic department is culpable. 

Some moron on here (not the person, the comment) was posting an entire thread about the "great attendance at the finale." It was 4199. Lol. They gotta be hired AD bugs. 

The AD makes a pathetic effort and the school spirit is like an ember that is in need of something to get it burning, but too many people just walk by the pit and won’t even attempt to help. 
 

[Salsa_Verde]

Maybe the elephant in the room is that the AD doesn’t care about attendance because that isn’t a metric he gets evaluated on. Winning percentage or wins across all sports would make sense on why the AD is lackluster on promoting fan attendance. I don’t really know. Just a thought. 

[NorthTexasWeLove]

2 minutes ago, Salsa_Verde said:

Maybe the elephant in the room is that the AD doesn’t care about attendance because that isn’t a metric he gets evaluated on. Winning percentage or wins across all sports would make sense on why the AD is lackluster on promoting fan attendance. I don’t really know. Just a thought. 

Revenue and attendance run parallel. 

[untjim1995]

59 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Revenue and attendance run parallel. 

Unless you only care about bigger donors and have contracts that get extended for staying in budget, like RV had. 
 

The sad thing about attendance is that we even have an issue with it. A school this big with this large of an alumni base, in a giant metro area and we can’t sell out the 31k seat football stadium even one time EVER and the 10k seat Super Pit hasn’t seen a crowd of close to capacity in decades. 
 

But as someone said, it’s not like the Murchison Center is ever filled to capacity or the Art Department can’t keeP people from seeing an art exhibit or dance performance because too many people are attending. Literally, nobody cares about ANYTHING the university sponsors in any decent number. It’s like the complete 180 degree opposite of A&M, where the brain washing is so strong that these people only wear maroon and khaki and drive maroon cars.

[NT80]

7 hours ago, untjim1995 said:

The sad thing about attendance is that we even have an issue with it. A school this big with this large of an alumni base, in a giant metro area and we can’t sell out the 31k seat football stadium even one time EVER and the 10k seat Super Pit hasn’t seen a crowd of close to capacity in decades. 

But as someone said, it’s not like the Murchison Center is ever filled to capacity or the Art Department can’t keeP people from seeing an art exhibit or dance performance because too many people are attending. Literally, nobody cares about ANYTHING the university sponsors in any decent number. It’s like the complete 180 degree opposite of A&M, where the brain washing is so strong that these people only wear maroon and khaki and drive maroon cars.

Those programs like A$M are on automatic as far as a fan base.   Not much for an AD to do except rake in the cash.

For our level program we have better facilities, location, and resources, plus more students, than many of our peer FBS programs. 

But as fans we know we should be getting better attendance and support= more donations.   This requires effort and research on the reasons and solutions from the AD.   We haven't seen much in that regard.  

[Salsa_Verde]

16 hours ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Revenue and attendance run parallel. 

Yeah that makes sense. I would say a school’s media rights deal is the #1 driver of revenue but yeah…it’s all interconnected I think. It would be interesting to know what the ADs contract looks like, I would hope there is some incentive for improving attendance. 

[Green Otaku]

22 hours ago, untjim1995 said:

It's a real question to ponder, but what is it gonna take? I've been told that it would take us being a winner. Then, it was we need to make a postseason tournament. No, we need to have wins in the NCAA Tournament or NIT. We have done all of this. 

The only times I ever see anyone in Denton show up big time for a game in the Super Pit is for games against power teams from the region (Tech, SMU, OSU, etc...) Otherwise, nobody goes. So they basically go to watch the other team play, whether to see the other team win or get beat. 

Who is making it so cool for the students and the local citizenry to be apathetic or hate our sports teams STILL in 2025?? I mean, I get that when we were in the SLC, Big West, the SBC, or even CUSA 3.0, people could look down on the situation we were in. But the American is the BEST conference situation we have ever been in for the current NCAA Basketball environment--brand names that have made big runs in the tournament over the years like Memphis, Wichita State, Temple, Tulsa, Charlotte, UAB, and even, now, Florida Atlantic with their recent Final Four run. And we have in-state games still with Rice and UTSA. And all of that equals being THRILLED to have over 4000 in attendance...

I'll never understand. And it will not make a lick of sense to me when we see about 500 people in FW for the AAC conference tournament, either. All it does is reinforce to the local media that we are some commuter school that even our alumni and students don't care about. And maybe, in the end, that's the reality that will never change, either.

You pretty much hit the issue on its head. The issue is not the type of students we have, but that students don't care about UNT, or at least not enough to go to games. They and the townspeople of Denton didn't grow up loving and wishing they could go to UNT one day, like they do for UT or A&M. The AD needs to heavily focus on making a connection to Denton county and the students to change that mentality.

 

[untjim1995]

2 hours ago, NT80 said:

Those programs like A$M are on automatic as far as a fan base.   Not much for an AD to do except rake in the cash.

For our level program we have better facilities, location, and resources, plus more students, than many of our peer FBS programs. 

But as fans we know we should be getting better attendance and support= more donations.   This requires effort and research on the reasons and solutions from the AD.   We haven't seen much in that regard.  

Your last paragraph is what has made this entire university so completely lost on donations from alumni. No connection ever made, no connection ever expected, no connection ever acknowledged. It all runs both ways. This place has been a diploma mill for decades because of its location and ease for admittance. So the administration and faculty know the students are always coming, the town knows the students are there, and the students come and go to class and never come back when they’re done.

[untjim1995]

21 hours ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

It certainly doesn't help. But a program ran with department motivation and support doesn't need that fluffed up empty comments on the 10 o'clock news. 

We don't draw because our athletic department SUCKS and has for decades. 

The media is just an extension of what the alumni and local citizens think about their team. We give them nothing at all to care or cover. And why should they? We are 23-7 and in second place in the AAC with a conference tournament here but the local media knows we won’t have that place even 15% full of fans

[keith]

1 hour ago, Salsa_Verde said:

Yeah that makes sense. I would say a school’s media rights deal is the #1 driver of revenue but yeah…it’s all interconnected I think. It would be interesting to know what the ADs contract looks like, I would hope there is some incentive for improving attendance. 

For Athletic Department's like ours, not even close.  Here are the sources of revenue as reported by the AD financial reports.  71% of our AD's budget comes from Direct Institutional Support and Student Fees.  Throw in things like NCAA distribution, Conference Distribution, etc. and 75-80% of what the AD brings in is on auto-pilot.  Basically, without doing anything, three-fourths+ of the revenue is protected.  Maybe this is the source of our problem....there's minimal incentive/need to generate revenue.  

 

 

[untjim1995]

6 minutes ago, keith said:

For Athletic Department's like ours, not even close.  Here are the sources of revenue as reported by the AD financial reports.  71% of our AD's budget comes from Direct Institutional Support and Student Fees.  Throw in things like NCAA distribution, Conference Distribution, etc. and 75-80% of what the AD brings in is on auto-pilot.  Basically, without doing anything, three-fourths+ of the revenue is protected.  Maybe this is the source of our problem....there's minimal incentive/need to generate revenue.  

 

 

I think that is a big part of the problem. The administration cares about costs and staying in budget. The AD knows that’s how he’s graded, so he stays within budget.

Absolutely no interest from anyone to see a packed house for football and hoops. They already know that the fees are coming from the students, NCAA licensing, and conference revenues.

[NT80]

56 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

I think that is a big part of the problem. The administration cares about costs and staying in budget. The AD knows that’s how he’s graded, so he stays within budget.

Absolutely no interest from anyone to see a packed house for football and hoops. They already know that the fees are coming from the students, NCAA licensing, and conference revenues.

Those current fees are to run a budget with the program as-is. 

Nothing towards the future, new buildings, more outreach and advertising, or Master Plan.   It's just on auto-pilot.    

An AD satisfied with the status quo of current attendance and donors is an AD just overseeing, not building a program.  We need a builder and a grower of the fanbase.   

[untjim1995]

4 hours ago, NT80 said:

Those current fees are to run a budget with the program as-is. 

Nothing towards the future, new buildings, more outreach and advertising, or Master Plan.   It's just on auto-pilot.    

An AD satisfied with the status quo of current attendance and donors is an AD just overseeing, not building a program.  We need a builder and a grower of the fanbase.   

But the university’s leadership has to want that builder and grower. 

[NT80]

13 hours ago, untjim1995 said:

But the university’s leadership has to want that builder and grower. 

Yes.  I’m not sure where the new Prez stands on Athletics.   Anyone seen him at a game?
 

Dr. Pohl, Dr. Smaz, Jitter Nolan were all pro-athletics Presidents. 

[untjim1995]

1 hour ago, NT80 said:

Yes.  I’m not sure where the new Prez stands on Athletics.   Anyone seen him at a game?
 

Dr. Pohl, Dr. Smaz, Jitter Nolan were all pro-athletics Presidents. 

The thing is that our ADs have been putrid, except for Wren Baker. Helwig whored us out for money in every way possible. RV came here and opened up tailgating, but he was terrible at communication, hiring coaches, and scheduling for home games. And he was here for 16 years. Wren was great, which was why he went to WVU. Mosley is back to the normal UNT AD management, which is bare minimum to keep his job...which is staying in budget.