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1 hour ago, CMJ said:

Given West Point's current record, ranking, and playoff buzz - this would be a landmark win should we defeat them.

 
We have played a much tougher schedule than Army. 
Who have they beat that we couldn't beat??
 
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1 minute ago, Big Z said:

Well it looks like that Army team plays defense….

What that says is that Army controls the clock and the game by long drives and clock-running plays.  Opponent's offense doesn't get on the field enough to keep up.

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4 minutes ago, NT80 said:

What that says is that Army controls the clock and the game by long drives and clock-running plays.  Opponent's offense doesn't get on the field enough to keep up.

I think you’re right.  This is why I feel we’re going to try and put some longer drives together. Can’t have 21 point deficits in the first half and expect to win.  If we keep it close, we’ll pull away in the 2nd half.  Lock it up!

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12 minutes ago, Glory to the Green said:

I think you’re right.  This is why I feel we’re going to try and put some longer drives together. Can’t have 21 point deficits in the first half and expect to win.  If we keep it close, we’ll pull away in the 2nd half.  Lock it up!

We need to string together some long drives. Don't need to score every time but we need to win the field battle. We do that by taking care of the football and regularly getting first downs even if the drive ends in a punt so we can pin them deep. I don't know in what world people expect to win games when giving opponents the ball multiple times in our territory but that's not winning football.

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26 minutes ago, Glory to the Green said:

I think you’re right.  This is why I feel we’re going to try and put some longer drives together. Can’t have 21 point deficits in the first half and expect to win.  If we keep it close, we’ll pull away in the 2nd half.  Lock it up!

The problem is, 21 point first half deficits aren’t dictated by the pace of your offense…unless of course you run a slow, methodical offense that turns the ball over for defensive touchdowns. 

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1 hour ago, greenjoe said:

Hypothetically, if we had played the same schedule as Army and had the same record, do you think we would be ranked as well ?

I don’t know…Liberty was ranked a couple years ago and they didn’t play anyone either. I forget who blew them out in the NY6 bowl game. 

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1 hour ago, emmitt01 said:

The problem is, 21 point first half deficits aren’t dictated by the pace of your offense…unless of course you run a slow, methodical offense that turns the ball over for defensive touchdowns. 

I was referring more to our 3 and outs (sometimes multiple drives) which leads to leaving our defense on the field for longer periods of time. 

I think a fresher defense, especially for us, will give us better results. 

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I know stats and rankings don't really mean all that much because they also depend on who you've played and field position, but we're the #3 offense in the nation (#121 defense) and the teams they've played have the following rankings (defense): 

Stats based on Total Offense and Total Defense:
ECU #65 (#94)
UAB #67 (#91)
Tulsa #78 (#123)
FAU #92  (#107)
Rice #113  (#23)
Temple #119 (#93)
AFA #131 (#68)

That's only 2 defenses above #90 and the best offense of #65.

Maybe we have a bit of a chance if we can stop stupid mistakes, keep moving the ball, and making just a few stops.  A turnover would help too.

 

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5 hours ago, NT80 said:

What that says is that Army controls the clock and the game by long drives and clock-running plays.  Opponent's offense doesn't get on the field enough to keep up.

Well, they only gave up one TD against our common opponents. That’s not just a time of possession result. We have up 37 to FAU. 

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4 hours ago, 97and03 said:

Well, they only gave up one TD against our common opponents. That’s not just a time of possession result. We have up 37 to FAU. 

Obviously our defense got absolutely torched in the first half against FAU. Army does an incredible job at keeping their defense off the field though. In the second half, FAU had only 2 possessions against Army due to Army holding the ball for over 23 minutes of that second half. The first half ended 14-7 so it's not like Army had such a comfortable lead that they didn't need to score. If you don't give the other team the ball, they can't score. We could be up by 20 and we'd still be running uptempo.

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11 hours ago, NT80 said:
 
We have played a much tougher schedule than Army. 
Who have they beat that we couldn't beat??
 

I guess the question I'd ask is would they have lost three games so far if they had our schedule.  I'll go ahead and say no.  They'd have likely lost one or two, but I doubt they'd have lost all three.

 

If people want to crap all over them, that's fine...they haven't played anyone tough yet.  On the other hand my points still stand.  They are undefeated and getting a lot of buzz/attention, so whether they're deserving or not, this would be a HUGE win for us.

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In Army’s games this year they have passing attempts of 4, 6, 7, 8, 8, 9, 10, & 13. They don’t pass the ball, they run it. Rushing attempts are 40, 43, 56, 56, 56, 56, 57, & 58. 
 

Remind me again how we stack up against the run?  Maybe the highest paid G5 DC will be better prepared if he knows he’s about to see 50+ rushing attempts. 🤷‍♂️

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