****OFFICIAL TULANE VS UNT IN-GAME DISCUSSION****

[MeanGreen22]

21 minutes ago, TheColonyEagle said:

The last 13 points were when the game was over. Those last 2 drives were like hitting a solo home run in the 8th down 9-1. 

Defense gave up 8 yards a play. 6 on the ground alone. We were never ever going to win that game no matter what the offense did. 

[jtm0097]

Jake Shipley got his tail whipped by that TE on Tulane all game.

[GMG_Dallas]

2 minutes ago, jtm0097 said:

Jake Shipley got his tail whipped by that TE on Tulane all game.

Is that who was on our right, their left on every run to the left?

[jtm0097]

14 minutes ago, GMG_Dallas said:

Is that who was on our right, their left on every run to the left?

There were several plays he was blown off the ball and they ran at will.

[ghost_of_darrell_dickey]

This season and the last two games in particular really make you wonder what this team could be with just a league average defense. It doesn't matter how explosive your offense is, it can't keep up if your D is giving up 6 yards a carry and big plays through the air. 

[3_n_out]

35 minutes ago, 97and03 said:

Plenty of blame to go around but we gave up six yards a carry. Simply can’t win like that. 

Maybe we should play more DBs

[greengal]

Anybody know why the concession lines were so long?  Seems like it was busier than ever before.  Hubby had to wait in line for 40 minutes for just a hot dog.

[Green Otaku]

2 hours ago, MeanGreenMat said:

Because we choose to drink the green kool-aid! We have to believe or no one will.

For the record I'd like to note I was anti-kool-aid all off season. With the record last year, keeping the worst DC, and all the turn over what evidence was there that we would be improved this year? I'll never get people getting gassed up without seeing a down of football, and nothing to go off of.

[MeanGreenMat]

12 minutes ago, Green Otaku said:

For the record I'd like to note I was anti-kool-aid all off season. With the record last year, keeping the worst DC, and all the turn over what evidence was there that we would be improved this year? I'll never get people getting gassed up without seeing a down of football, and nothing to go off of.

Because if I don't believe, I don't go to games. If I don't go to games, I never come back to UNT or travel for a road game. If I don't interact with the university ever, why should I donate to academic scholarships, buy a UNT polo to wear to work on Fridays, or watch the game at a bar when it's on TV?

I sort of care about the football. I really care about the culture and making UNT better overall. They are linked together.

[Shark84]

We're not going to beat Army but if we can keep Morris from getting killed we will win our last three games and go 8-4. After last season, that is progress. Those of you who will cry that we didn't beat a winning team seem to forget that we only won 5 games last year and lost 77 players. We need to make a change at defensive coordinator next year and go after some size on that side of the ball. Not sure what people expected going into this season but I think 8-4 would be a damn good season. Who knows how many of our offensive players will leave in the portal. The playing field isn't level. Just get through the Army game healthy. UTSA is playing better. That will be the most important game of our season. 

[BigWillie]

5 hours ago, Pavlovs Eagle said:

Every 3rd person in Hub Club is saying "well I think we're leaving at half time"

Why would they not? I was one of them. No confidence in this team and it is founded.

1 hour ago, Green Otaku said:

For the record I'd like to note I was anti-kool-aid all off season. With the record last year, keeping the worst DC, and all the turn over what evidence was there that we would be improved this year? I'll never get people getting gassed up without seeing a down of football, and nothing to go off of.

This is exactly why I pay very little attention to off season rankings, player transfers, etc. Final product and on the field results is what matters.

[Green Otaku]

1 hour ago, MeanGreenMat said:

Because if I don't believe, I don't go to games. If I don't go to games, I never come back to UNT or travel for a road game. If I don't interact with the university ever, why should I donate to academic scholarships, buy a UNT polo to wear to work on Fridays, or watch the game at a bar when it's on TV?

I sort of care about the football. I really care about the culture and making UNT better overall. They are linked together.

I don't ever believe we are magically going to be better, the odds are very slim. That's just reality, it shouldn't stop you from doing those other things.

[Hunter Green]

6 hours ago, akriesman said:

Defense just can't stop a decent offense.  Until we get an average defense (with some size ?), we won't be beating the better teams.

I'm late to the discussion,  but my observations are this. 

We have no running game

We are too small and too slow on defense

We may be the lowest IQ team in the country and I blame that on E. Morris. We're not good enough on defense to be continually give a good team a short field to work with. Too much pressure on C. Morris to score on every possession. Sometimes you have to take the field goal instead of going for it on 4th and long and come up empty handed over and over. We give up so much and just make it easy on the other team. A team will take on the characteristics of its coach. In this case, dumb. E. Morris, if you don't trust your defense, take it over yourself,  fire the DC an put someone else in charge, cause this ain't working.

 

[RBP79]

Another MEAN GREEN lost opportunity.

Army will be a long game for the Defense. Would of thought we'd win one of these three. Don't get comfortable with winning in San Antonio. 

Disappointing....but I once again set myself up.

[southsideguy]

yeah I a thinking if I want to even go to the army game.

[Udomann]

Army going to lay 70 pts on us if this doesn't change. Almost hope they do so caponi can be shown the door

[Big Z]

No way we beat Army and after that, just got to win one of three against the lower standing teams to make to it to our Super Bowl 

[El Paso Eagle]

1 hour ago, Hunter Green said:

I'm late to the discussion,  but my observations are this. 

We have no running game

We are too small and too slow on defense

We may be the lowest IQ team in the country and I blame that on E. Morris. We're not good enough on defense to be continually give a good team a short field to work with. Too much pressure on C. Morris to score on every possession. Sometimes you have to take the field goal instead of going for it on 4th and long and come up empty handed over and over. We give up so much and just make it easy on the other team. A team will take on the characteristics of its coach. In this case, dumb. E. Morris, if you don't trust your defense, take it over yourself,  fire the DC an put someone else in charge, cause this ain't working.

 

We need to find a DC who is experienced and can run the show on that side of the ball. Let Morris continue to focus on the offense but we need someone with experience and then we also need a total organizational effort to improve the recruiting on the defensive side of the ball.

[SUMG]

A new DC isn't the total answer. Buddy Ryan, in his prime.....would have a tough time having a good D....with this offense that Eric runs.

It doesn't value time possession. It doesn't value field position. It believes in way too much gambling.

Maybe this is why Air Raid offenses.....tend to never have good defenses. 

So until you change some of your offensive philosophy.....you're never gonna have a good defense. Because this offense thwarts that. 

[NT93]

1 hour ago, SUMG said:

A new DC isn't the total answer. Buddy Ryan, in his prime.....would have a tough time having a good D....with this offense that Eric runs.

It doesn't value time possession. It doesn't value field position. It believes in way too much gambling.

Maybe this is why Air Raid offenses.....tend to never have good defenses. 

So until you change some of your offensive philosophy.....you're never gonna have a good defense. Because this offense thwarts that. 

This!  This!  This!

I said it last week, but if your defense is a liability, you have to try and help them, not put them in difficult situations.  
 

I wish we could put together some time-consuming drives like the 16 play drive in the 4th quarter (when, ironically, we needed to score fast).

[Aquila_Viridis]

NT never had a chance at this game. Coach Sumrall was 23-4 at Troy the last two seasons. Tulane got a better coach. I don't know how we could have got one better than him.

[Son Of A Flying Worm]

5 hours ago, greengal said:

Anybody know why the concession lines were so long?  Seems like it was busier than ever before.  Hubby had to wait in line for 40 minutes for just a hot dog.

When did he go? I heard the lines were good midway through the 3rd but have no idea about the rest of the game.

[Son Of A Flying Worm]

Watched the game from Section 105. They will almost certainly change the defensive coordinator after the season. That's fine. However, the difference in size, skill, and athleticism was jarring between Tulane's offense and our defense. An upgrade in coaching won't close the gap that much. Need to develop and get better players to be competitive against good offenses. Hope that Jayden Hill and others can come back for Army.

[TIgreen01]

9 hours ago, Son Of A Flying Worm said:

Watched the game from Section 105. They will almost certainly change the defensive coordinator after the season. That's fine. However, the difference in size, skill, and athleticism was jarring between Tulane's offense and our defense. An upgrade in coaching won't close the gap that much. Need to develop and get better players to be competitive against good offenses. Hope that Jayden Hill and others can come back for Army.

I agree.  This has been the case since I’ve followed UNT, though.  Going to the New Orleans bowls all those years, we were always much smaller than the teams we faced.  Everytime Houston has been to Denton I’ve been shocked by how much smaller we were.  UAB and smu used to make us look small, too.  We’ve been able to get by against most of our peers, but the step up reveals a big gap in recruitment that we haven’t come close to closing since I’ve been around.  This year’s oline is one of the bigger units I can remember us fielding.  Don’t care what gets printed on a roster, they are bigger and closer to the level we need to be at to win a championship.  I do think this is where NIL could really help.  To get those difference makers on defense you’re going to have to pay up.

[meaniegreenie]

13 hours ago, SUMG said:

A new DC isn't the total answer. Buddy Ryan, in his prime.....would have a tough time having a good D....with this offense that Eric runs.

It doesn't value time possession. It doesn't value field position. It believes in way too much gambling.

Maybe this is why Air Raid offenses.....tend to never have good defenses. 

So until you change some of your offensive philosophy.....you're never gonna have a good defense. Because this offense thwarts that. 

When your "air raid" offense has multiple 3-and-outs in a game, that's another problem.

I thought the typical problem with AR was that it could get lots of yardage but then stall out in the red zone.  We have too many 3-5 play possessions that either get 0 or 1 first downs.