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So you have Navy, Army, ULM, and SHS* ranked, but you’re telling me we have to up our NIL game if we want to be any good?

*and a few others on that list that I doubt are giving big NIL deals

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10 minutes ago, Graddean said:

USA Today must have been impressed.  We lost and advanced 14 places from 70 to 56.  

As I stated in another thread, a loss is a loss as it pertains to conference standings, but not as it pertains to perception.

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53 minutes ago, Graddean said:

USA Today must have been impressed.  We lost and advanced 14 places from 70 to 56.  

Not sure this is the best strategy, but hey, it worked this time.  Looking forward to the Tulane game to see what a win does for us.

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2 hours ago, NT93 said:

So you have Navy, Army, ULM, and SHS* ranked, but you’re telling me we have to up our NIL game if we want to be any good?

*and a few others on that list that I doubt are giving big NIL deals

ULM and SHSU are not ranked on a national scale, this is just a G5 ranking. SHSU is 5-2 just like us and just got beat by Western Kentucky by 17. ULM is 5-1. Hopefully we can aspire to perform better against our peers than two schools playing in conferences we left.

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2 hours ago, GMG_Dallas said:

ULM and SHSU are not ranked on a national scale, this is just a G5 ranking. SHSU is 5-2 just like us and just got beat by Western Kentucky by 17. ULM is 5-1. Hopefully we can aspire to perform better against our peers than two schools playing in conferences we left.

Call me stupid without calling me stupid.  Do you seriously think (1) I couldn’t figure out that this is a G5 poll and that (2) I thought ULM and SHS were actually ranked???

You say “aim a little higher,” but ULM is ahead of us, so there’s that.  But no where did I say that we should aspire to be ULM or SHS, just pointing out that you obviously don’t need mega-NIL to be successful at the G5 level based on these rankings.

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3 hours ago, NT93 said:

Call me stupid without calling me stupid.  Do you seriously think (1) I couldn’t figure out that this is a G5 poll and that (2) I thought ULM and SHS were actually ranked???

You say “aim a little higher,” but ULM is ahead of us, so there’s that.  But no where did I say that we should aspire to be ULM or SHS, just pointing out that you obviously don’t need mega-NIL to be successful at the G5 level based on these rankings.

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Your original gripe is the idea that we need to up our NIL game to be any good while then listing a program ranked lower than us in the graph. Zero logic.

And for what it's worth, Navy and Army pay their head coaches significantly more than we do. Morris has a base salary of 900k and total compensation of about 1.3 million. Army's HC is at 2.0 million and Navy at 1.8 million. We'd also be undefeated with Army's schedule BTW. Take a look at it. Either way, NIL or not, we're not spending like the top AAC programs.

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10 hours ago, GMG_Dallas said:

Your original gripe is the idea that we need to up our NIL game to be any good while then listing a program ranked lower than us in the graph. Zero logic.

And for what it's worth, Navy and Army pay their head coaches significantly more than we do. Morris has a base salary of 900k and total compensation of about 1.3 million. Army's HC is at 2.0 million and Navy at 1.8 million. We'd also be undefeated with Army's schedule BTW. Take a look at it. Either way, NIL or not, we're not spending like the top AAC programs.

My point is that you can win without a big NIL based on these rankings.  I listed SHS because I believe their NIL is probably near the bottom of all G5, but yet there they are…ranked.  

Yes, I’ve seen Army’s schedule, even made a post about it.  

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18 minutes ago, NT93 said:

My point is that you can win without a big NIL based on these rankings.  I listed SHS because I believe their NIL is probably near the bottom of all G5, but yet there they are…ranked.  

Yes, I’ve seen Army’s schedule, even made a post about it.  

We've made the G5 rankings which are worthless. We're trying to take it a step up, right? That will require a more robust NIL. If you think otherwise, I can't help you.

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On 10/21/2024 at 10:04 PM, GMG_Dallas said:

Your original gripe is the idea that we need to up our NIL game to be any good while then listing a program ranked lower than us in the graph. Zero logic.

And for what it's worth, Navy and Army pay their head coaches significantly more than we do. Morris has a base salary of 900k and total compensation of about 1.3 million. Army's HC is at 2.0 million and Navy at 1.8 million. We'd also be undefeated with Army's schedule BTW. Take a look at it. Either way, NIL or not, we're not spending like the top AAC programs.

We paid Seth 2MM a year after some impressive seasons. Morris famously took less so his assistant pool was higher. You know we have the highest paid DC in the G5 right?

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1 hour ago, GreenFlag said:

We paid Seth 2MM a year after some impressive seasons. Morris famously took less so his assistant pool was higher. You know we have the highest paid DC in the G5 right?

https://sportsdata.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant

Sort by conference so you see all the AAC at the top. A few columns to the right will show total AAC assistant pool salaries. The only AAC schools paying less than us as a total AAC pool are FAU, UAB, and Charlotte. After that it's us. Now, is our $2.4 million pool far from the top? No and the gap between us and the bottom 3 is significant but factor in the other schools' HC salaries and you'll see our total pool is significantly less than the top. Take UTSA and Traylor's $2.8 million with the $2.59 million salary pool and you get a total of $5.39 million. Memphis pays the HC $2.2 million and the assistant pool is $2.655 million for a total of $4.855 million. Us? $1.325 million for Morris and $2.4 million for the assistants for a total of $3.725 million. Navy and Army assistant numbers aren't published but I'd guess they also surpass us in total pool. Correction on this, per the USA Today link Army's total assistant pool was $2.985 million last year and their DC made $480k so more than Caponi. The link is for last year so Army was listed as Independent.

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We’re kind of getting away from NIL and getting into total budget, but my question is, and this is a serious question that I don’t know the answer to:  Is there a proven correlation between the money spent and wins?  I’m talking about comparing P-4 to P-4 and G-5 to G-5.

 

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4 hours ago, NT93 said:

We’re kind of getting away from NIL and getting into total budget, but my question is, and this is a serious question that I don’t know the answer to:  Is there a proven correlation between the money spent and wins?  I’m talking about comparing P-4 to P-4 and G-5 to G-5.

 

My instincts say no but I personally don't know. There's a study, though. I haven't gone through it all but here it is:

https://www.samford.edu/sports-analytics/fans/2023/Spending-Smart-A-Comparative-Look-at-Areas-of-University-Spending-Within-Football-Programs-and-Their-Effect-on-Wins-From-2005-2022

SMU may be the best current case study. Many of these P4 budgets are huge and they can't all win. SMU inflated their budget via boosters basically overnight to far surpass the spending of their peers. The result seems to support the idea that spending equals wins. The question then would be how much more do you need to spend compared to your peers to see positive results.

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