Seth Littrell Update

Green with Envy · October 21

Wait, so you can fire a coordinator mid-season, replace from within and hope that things turn for the better?

blasphemy.

KingDL1 · October 21

Such a surprise. Now, maybe he can go back to Golf.

wardly · October 21

48 minutes ago, Green with Envy said:

Wait, so you can fire a coordinator mid-season, replace from within and hope that things turn for the better?

blasphemy.

Early in my health care sales I inherited a sales district as their new manager. A few years later when I started my sales agency I decided that if my performance was based upon the performance of others I was going to hire the others. Whether they accept it or not head football coaches are held to the same standard and must replace non performers less they caused you to be replaced. I don't think Purdue's or O.U.'s offensive struggles will go away but it did make their O.C.'s accountable which is something our head coach seems unwilling to do as regards our D.C.

KingDL1 · October 21

4 minutes ago, wardly said:

Early in my health care sales I inherited a sales district as their new manager. A few years later when I started my sales agency I decided that if my performance was based upon the performance of others I was going to hire the others. Whether they accept it or not head football coaches are held to the same standard and must replace non performers less they caused you to be replaced. I don't think Purdue's or O.U.'s offensive struggles will go away but it did make their O.C.'s accountable which is something our head coach seems unwilling to do as regards our D.C.

Are you sure of the circumstances at North Texas?

rcade · October 21

Did Seth Littrell taking the Oklahoma OC job affect the remaining money he was owed by UNT?

DentonLurker · October 21

2 hours ago, Green with Envy said:

Wait, so you can fire a coordinator mid-season, replace from within and hope that things turn for the better?

blasphemy.

You should definitely run your program on “hope.”

All this really says is BV is starting to feel the heat. It’s desperation from a head coach who doesn’t have his team ready to compete in the SEC.

JT Hammons · October 21

33 minutes ago, rcade said:

Did Seth Littrell taking the Oklahoma OC job affect the remaining money he was owed by UNT?

The money we owe him was deducted by his salary at OU. This firing hurt UNT because we will now be eligible to turn what we owe him to the full amount. This is not a good day for Seth or UNT athletics honestly. We both lose big time.

El Paso Eagle · October 21

Based on some of you here I guess the Oklahoma coach just does not realize making a mid-season change brings nothing to the table and probably hurts recruiting and harmony of the team.

cousin oliver · October 21

greenminer · October 21

3 hours ago, JT Hammons said:

This firing hurt UNT because we will now be eligible to turn what we owe him to the full amount.

what? Can you elaborate on this?

We were off the hook for what we owed him, and now OU can hand that debt back to us?

Venson · October 21

8 hours ago, JT Hammons said:

The money we owe him was deducted by his salary at OU. This firing hurt UNT because we will now be eligible to turn what we owe him to the full amount. This is not a good day for Seth or UNT athletics honestly. We both lose big time.

How can this come back on us? He got a job paying him close to, if not more than what we were paying him. Does the contract state that if he is fired from that job that we have to start paying him again? I don't think anyone would write a contract like that.

NT80 · October 21

15 hours ago, Green with Envy said:

Wait, so you can fire a coordinator mid-season, replace from within and hope that things turn for the better?

blasphemy.

Head coaches fire Coordinators for their own job security. And they need to when it involves poor performance like Seth or Matt Caponi.

Mean Green 93-98 · October 21

13 hours ago, JT Hammons said:

This firing hurt UNT because we will now be eligible to turn what we owe him to the full amount.

I highly doubt this is true.

Do you really think he became OU's OC without signing a contract with them?

greenjoe · October 21

That would be a very sophisticated contract.

Tommy Gadberry · October 21

16 hours ago, rcade said:

Did Seth Littrell taking the Oklahoma OC job affect the remaining money he was owed by UNT?

I think so.

wardly · October 21

26 minutes ago, Tommy Gadberry said:

I think so.

He signed a $1 million contract with OU, who owes him the balance. It has been my understanding that UNT would owe him the difference if his OU contract paid him less. I think Littrell had only a 1 year contract but am not sure. However he probably will get a coaching job next year and the same payment rules would apply. As I stated this is my understanding of how the process works.

Green with Envy · October 21

17 hours ago, DentonLurker said:

You should definitely run your program on “hope.”

All this really says is BV is starting to feel the heat. It’s desperation from a head coach who doesn’t have his team ready to compete in the SEC.

'Hope' was a poor choice of words on my part and not a lot of thought put into it. but you and everyone else knew the point I was making.

So BV didn't make this change to try to improve an underperforming unit? Whether it saves his job or not is irrelevant. The offense didn't meet a standard that they expect and making a change was necessary to improve what ails them. BV, like every other HC, owes it to the program to always put program first and do what is necessary to be successful.

UNTLifer · October 21

Just move on. I don't get the joy derived from another's failure, unless it has something to do with smuT.

@97and03, why the constant disdain for Morris? I don't get it.

aztecskin · October 21

19 hours ago, El Paso Eagle said:

Based on some of you here I guess the Oklahoma coach just does not realize making a mid-season change brings nothing to the table and probably hurts recruiting and harmony of the team.

Firing a coordinator is a temporary reprieve. They kept the co-oc. BV is in serious trouble. Offense has been bad his entire tenure.

DentonLurker · October 22

6 hours ago, Green with Envy said:

So BV didn't make this change to try to improve an underperforming unit? Whether it saves his job or not is irrelevant. The offense didn't meet a standard that they expect and making a change was necessary to improve what ails them. BV, like every other HC, owes it to the program to always put program first and do what is necessary to be successful.

Meh, he’s just using SL as a way to create a little breathing room because his seat is on fire. Their fanbase wanted Finley, their new play caller, gone too. We will see how it plays out. I’m not convinced it’s going to get any better, because they just don’t have the talent they need to compete. BV knows that. This is all smoke and mirrors.

BBA1989 · October 22

On 10/13/2024 at 1:47 PM, El Paso Eagle said:

I was not a fan of Seth but right now OU has their top five receivers out and most of their offensive line has been banged up. So if we want to make reasons why we struggle we can't overlook when another team loses this much depth.

Yep, OU doesn't have the personnel to compete in the SEC. Can't fire the team, so someone has to go. Venables is next and it could be at the end of the season. Some guys are just good coordinators, and not meant to be a HC.

wardly · October 22

On 10/20/2024 at 8:09 PM, KingDL1 said:

Are you sure of the circumstances at North Texas?

Such as? I am just looking at results but would like to see any information that you think might contribute to our poor defensive performance. In golf its called LOFT, lack of f.....g talent . Actually our defense has been sketchy for a number of years. One problem that an announcer of the Memphis game brought up is that our offense can score so fast that it puts our defense on the field for longer periods of time. With injuries I don't know that we have the depth we need on defense.

KingDL1 · October 22

1 hour ago, wardly said:

Such as? I am just looking at results but would like to see any information that you think might contribute to our poor defensive performance. In golf its called LOFT, lack of f.....g talent . Actually our defense has been sketchy for a number of years. One problem that an announcer of the Memphis game brought up is that our offense can score so fast that it puts our defense on the field for longer periods of time. With injuries I don't know that we have the depth we need on defense.

You covered several.

My thoughts on the original post were many, but I like Eric and I think, at this point, he will get it figured out. I wonder about the length of contracts, who gets to fire coordinators at UNT, the money available for replacements, the personnel available, player injuries, and I am sure many other issues are discussed. Does Eric get to just fire, or was he told to wait until EOS?

97and03 · October 22

On 10/21/2024 at 10:35 PM, UNTLifer said:

Just move on. I don't get the joy derived from another's failure, unless it has something to do with smuT.

@97and03, why the constant disdain for Morris? I don't get it.

Thanks for asking. I have said why but across multiple threads so I guess I will try to sum up succinctly.
1) I thought we could do better with the money we had available and preferred a more experienced coach. Either a former FBS HC or a coach with more HC experience or greater lower level success. Many of the most successful FCS call up coaches have had real hardware before getting the call.
2) Caponi. We greatly overpaid for a guy with one or two years as a DC at D3 (iirc). We easily could have gotten someone with real DC experience if we were going to pay the most of G5 schools. Obviously the 3-3-5 didn’t work here but perhaps an experienced coordinator would have recognized that earlier.
3) Morris is the HC and OC. The HC should largely be a CEO (although clearly not in the Charlotte sense of it) not a play caller, in my opinion. He should be managing the entire team and game, not trying to figure out why that second down call didn’t work. Might have more ability and time to work on the defensive struggles.
4) Morris as OC is too aggressive for me. Going for it on fourth in our own territory with this defense is insane to me. I get that he does it because he doesn’t believe in his defense (see point two) but give the shitty defense 80 yards to defend and not 40, ffs. I know the defense sucks so he is thinking to try to strike and score more, but the offensive side of the ball is constantly crippled with injuries. Why do we think a patchwork OL and fourth string RBs and second/third string WRs and TEs give us a better chance? You punt that ball every time, sorry. The hurry up tempo BS is not effective. The few times we get a positive result from that is outweighed by the lack of rest for our exhausted, shitty defense. We don’t have the defense that can ensure this all game, especially with the injuries. Again, a thing a HC should be reigning in an aggressive OC. But they are the same person, so…

Hope those reasons are clear. I don’t claim to be a guru or have all the answers. Just my personal opinion based on my observations. Some of these things are just preference or gut feelings. But that’s how we as humans generally make our decisions, right?

(on a side note, why do we have so many injuries?)