Bosses are firing Gen Z workers months after hiring them

[Coffee and TV]

9 hours ago, greenminer said:

Divorce rates are at an all-time high

And that's the kids fault? 

Also, they are not. They reached 40 year lows during Covid and only have a miniscule uptick since

https://www.bgsu.edu/ncfmr/resources/data/family-profiles/loo-divorce-rate-US-geographic-variation-2022-fp-23-24.html#:~:text=After reaching a 40-year,increase from 2021 to 2022.

 

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After reaching a 40-year record low for two consecutive years (2020 and 2021 at 14.0 divorces per 1,000 married women), the divorce rate rose slightly in 2022 to 14.56 divorces per 1,000 married women.

 

 

9 hours ago, greenminer said:

as well as teen depression and suicide,

Yeah because those things were openly discussed and dealt with properly in the generations before them? Try and tell your parents you have anxiety or depression in 1978 and they laugh you out of the room. 

Edited October 3 by Coffee and TV

[Coffee and TV]

9 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

The number of youths with mental issues that decide to post delusional manifestos and go shoot up people and places is 100% higher than when I was a kid. I don’t have to link some bar graph to prove it, I’ve lived it. 

Did you live through all the race riots that white people started when they had to start sharing water fountains with black people too? 

[greenminer]

3 hours ago, Coffee and TV said:

And that's the kids fault? 

I"m definitely not against the kids, here.  More about finding reasons to be better parents and stop misplaced blame on institutions (sometimes, it is well placed, but I dont' see that here). 

I'll read your links.  

3 hours ago, Coffee and TV said:

Yeah because those things were openly discussed and dealt with properly in the generations before them? Try and tell your parents you have anxiety or depression in 1978 and they laugh you out of the room. 

Just my 0.02, but just because a society has gotten better about recognizing these things, doesn't mean we are better about addressing them.  It strikes me more as, an avoidant generation.  "I'll leave you alone to be you.", or "Okay bud, you do you just don't take away my peace."  Sometimes that's what someone needs.  Sometimes, it's not.

Sorry for your pain, bud! This was not my experience growing up at all in the 70s and 80s.  My parents, as well as theirs and the great-grands, were pretty good about sitting at tables and hearing people out, even if they didn't know how to respond.  At least we all felt like we mattered and had a voice.

Again, I'll read your links.  But I think we can all still agree, more dinners together, less tablets.  More convos and eye contact, less Netflix and internet.

Edited October 3 by greenminer

[UNTLifer]

3 hours ago, Coffee and TV said:

Did you live through all the race riots that white people started when they had to start sharing water fountains with black people too? 

No.

[GMG_Dallas]

3 hours ago, Coffee and TV said:

And that's the kids fault? 

Also, they are not. They reached 40 year lows during Covid and only have a miniscule uptick since

https://www.bgsu.edu/ncfmr/resources/data/family-profiles/loo-divorce-rate-US-geographic-variation-2022-fp-23-24.html#:~:text=After reaching a 40-year,increase from 2021 to 2022.

 

 

 

Yeah because those things were openly discussed and dealt with properly in the generations before them? Try and tell your parents you have anxiety or depression in 1978 and they laugh you out of the room. 

Marriage rates are at a 50 year low though. Less kids are being raised in 2-parent households.

https://www.bgsu.edu/ncfmr/resources/data/family-profiles/loo-marriage-rate-US-geographic-variation-2022-fp-23-23.html

My opinion is this generation, close to my generation as I'm in my 30s, aren't being taught accountability, organizational skills, work ethic, and communication skills. I see it with my step-kids whose schools allow them to turn-in work whenever with no penalty even if well past the deadline. These kids also don't know how to speak to a human face-to-face or over the phone unless it's written messages. They think it's awkward. I've had to tell my wife to make them order their own food when we go out because they don't want to speak to a stranger. My teenage step-daughter would literally hide behind us a couple years ago or make her brothers order for her. Yesterday she was so proud because she called a help desk herself for login assistance for an online account. She's 17 and is afraid of people. School? Online. Talk to friends? Text or social media. We're failing our kids. I'm trying to do better. We need to better prepare our kids for the real world. They're not learning basic skills that are critical in maintaining a job.

[Coffee and TV]

23 minutes ago, greenminer said:

Just my 0.02, but just because a society has gotten better about recognizing these things, doesn't mean we are better about addressing them.  It strikes me more as, an avoidant generation.  "I'll leave you alone to be you.", or "Okay bud, you do you just don't take away my peace."  Sometimes that's what someone needs.  Sometimes, it's not.

That's kinda my point, we've simply become much better at recognizing those things, kids learning what those feelings are and mean, and therefore the statistics for them are definitely gonna show to be much higher than the past. 

27 minutes ago, greenminer said:

Sorry for your pain, bud! This was not my experience growing up at all in the 70s and 80s.  My parents, as well as theirs and the great-grands, were pretty good about sitting at tables and hearing people out, even if they didn't know how to respond.

I'm not really in any pain, I just brought up my stepdad as an example to all of the "swat your kids more" posts, and how that generally just breeds more anger and violence. Since moving away from that kind of discipline we've only seen youth violent crime fall, same for a lot of other statistics that one can measure youth behavior with, so I certainly disagree with the notion that kids aren't punished enough. They may lack for certain things, and maybe work discipline is one of them, but they also seem to be the generation that doesn't take BS from people in situations where and when they don't have to.  

22 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

No.

Ah. Well, they certainly happened too, just read about Ole Miss when James Meredith dared stepped foot on campus. Then for 40 years they hooted and hollered for black guys on the playing field all while waving confederate flags. 

[Coffee and TV]

5 minutes ago, GMG_Dallas said:

These kids also don't know how to speak to a human face-to-face or over the phone unless it's written messages. They think it's awkward. I've had to tell my wife to make them order their own food when we go out because they don't want to speak to a stranger. My teenage step-daughter would literally hide behind us a couple years ago or make her brothers order for her. Yesterday she was so proud because she called a help desk herself for login assistance for an online account. She's 17 and is afraid of people. School? Online. Talk to friends? Text or social media.

Right. Because these days you get the cops called on you for letting your kids wander the neighborhood by themselves. Riding my bike to the video rental place is something i did at 10, 11, and most kids aren't even allowed to cross the street by themselves these days. We created a world where it's safer than ever for our kids yet we never let them out into it and then wonder why they're so afraid. 

 

7 minutes ago, GMG_Dallas said:

We're failing our kids. I'm trying to do better. We need to better prepare our kids for the real world. They're not learning basic skills that are critical in maintaining a job.

That's fair to think and admit, and understand that it's a complicated issue. My initial reply was just aimed at all the lazy "cuz they don't get spanked enough" rhetoric which has been shown time and time again to have the opposite effect of what is intended. 

[UNTLifer]

3 hours ago, Coffee and TV said:

Ah. Well, they certainly happened too, just read about Ole Miss when James Meredith dared stepped foot on campus. Then for 40 years they hooted and hollered for black guys on the playing field all while waving confederate flags. 

Before my time and almost 60 years ago.

[Udomann]

7 hours ago, Coffee and TV said:

Right. Because these days you get the cops called on you for letting your kids wander the neighborhood by themselves. Riding my bike to the video rental place is something i did at 10, 11, and most kids aren't even allowed to cross the street by themselves these days. We created a world where it's safer than ever for our kids yet we never let them out into it and then wonder why they're so afraid. 

 

That's fair to think and admit, and understand that it's a complicated issue. My initial reply was just aimed at all the lazy "cuz they don't get spanked enough" rhetoric which has been shown time and time again to have the opposite effect of what is intended. 

Finding nemo said it best:

I understand as a father being protective, but society has gotten waaaaay to controlled.

Where there is risk, there is reward and also loss. It's hard to argue that we have to allow a certain amount of loss (because humans are horrible) just to reap rewards

Edited October 4 by Udomann

[GMG_Dallas]

8 hours ago, Coffee and TV said:

Right. Because these days you get the cops called on you for letting your kids wander the neighborhood by themselves. Riding my bike to the video rental place is something i did at 10, 11, and most kids aren't even allowed to cross the street by themselves these days. We created a world where it's safer than ever for our kids yet we never let them out into it and then wonder why they're so afraid. 

 

That's fair to think and admit, and understand that it's a complicated issue. My initial reply was just aimed at all the lazy "cuz they don't get spanked enough" rhetoric which has been shown time and time again to have the opposite effect of what is intended. 

People call the cops on quite literally everything and anything. It's ridiculous. As you said, the things we did ourselves are no longer allowed, usually via parent rules. As a parent I think we get in our own head because of the horror stories we read about or hear about in the news. Those stories are news worthy because they're rare. Every day things aren't newsworthy no matter how bad the event. I again blame us parents. We let my stepson go fishing at a nearby pond alone. He's been going for a couple years now. He's responsible so we trust him to go alone. I went places alone as a kid growing up in Dallas. Not far but still alone with no phone. It is what it is.

I just hope us adults can come to the understanding that we need to let our kids be put in uncomfortable situations and work their way through it. They deserve to be built up in to strong adults. It's our job to do that, though. The long game is that society needs us to actually do that job that we signed up for when we became parents.

[TheColonyEagle]

Interesting debate (I guess) not sure how this took a dive into “beating kids” but this is gomeangreen

However 

what I took out of this article was more of a problem with colleges…..from the point of view of companies that are supposed to be using them to bring in talent. Seems they’re not providing suitable employees for corporations. To the point where these companies just can’t do anything with them so they’re firing them. 
 

If this trend continues or gets worse….what does that do the value of a degree? 
 

Going back up stream: if it truly is a problem with the kids themselves, seems companies are starting to weed out the poor performers so do colleges start increasing their standards, holding students accountable? Teaching them what it takes to succeed? Or will they just keep taking in all that money and building the nice buildings while churning out an unsatisfactory product. Are they going to develop these kids so they’re providing suitable employees for the companies that want their “talent?” 
 

This trend seems unsustainable…..

[Censored by Laurie]

On 10/5/2024 at 8:30 AM, TheColonyEagle said:

Interesting debate (I guess) not sure how this took a dive into “beating kids” but this is gomeangreen

However 

what I took out of this article was more of a problem with colleges…..from the point of view of companies that are supposed to be using them to bring in talent. Seems they’re not providing suitable employees for corporations. To the point where these companies just can’t do anything with them so they’re firing them. 
 

If this trend continues or gets worse….what does that do the value of a degree? 
 

Going back up stream: if it truly is a problem with the kids themselves, seems companies are starting to weed out the poor performers so do colleges start increasing their standards, holding students accountable? Teaching them what it takes to succeed? Or will they just keep taking in all that money and building the nice buildings while churning out an unsatisfactory product. Are they going to develop these kids so they’re providing suitable employees for the companies that want their “talent?” 
 

This trend seems unsustainable…..

so do corporations have no responsibility to adjust expectations to meet the demands of a changing work-force? 

so much of the actual pertinent part of this thread seems to operate from a pretty dated idea that employees are "lucky" to have jobs at all. employees are a benefit to the company. full stop. 

if a company has been doing something for 50 years and now finds that doesn't work, the default shouldn't be to just blame the kids or just blame the colleges...that's lazy thinking...the companies/corporations themselves have to adjust as well. 

[TheColonyEagle]

On 10/6/2024 at 7:38 PM, Censored by Laurie said:

so do corporations have no responsibility to adjust expectations to meet the demands of a changing work-force? 

so much of the actual pertinent part of this thread seems to operate from a pretty dated idea that employees are "lucky" to have jobs at all. employees are a benefit to the company. full stop. 

if a company has been doing something for 50 years and now finds that doesn't work, the default shouldn't be to just blame the kids or just blame the colleges...that's lazy thinking...the companies/corporations themselves have to adjust as well. 

I guess I would ask if the customers these companies/corporations serve have adjusted their expectations/demands as well...

 

 

 

Edited October 8 by TheColonyEagle

[El Paso Eagle]

18 hours ago, Censored by Laurie said:

f a company has been doing something for 50 years and now finds that doesn't work, the default shouldn't be to just blame the kids or just blame the colleges...that's lazy thinking...the companies/corporations themselves have to adjust as well. 

It seems the issues have less to do with changing their ways and more to do with the employees not wanting to work as they are asked to do.

[Udomann]

5 hours ago, El Paso Eagle said:

It seems the issues have less to do with changing their ways and more to do with the employees not wanting to work as they are asked to do.

It's also managers not understanding the way things work now, or being old school and not keeping up with the times.

Example: if you aren't using AI to simplify your work processes then you are behind. If you aren't innovative you are behind. If you aren't hiring for potential instead of experience,  you *might* be behind.

It goes both ways. Gen z could be lazy, but lazy + brilliant can lead to innovation. 

Likewise, old school managers have that work ethic, but work ethic without investing yourself into new technologies leads to stagnation. 

Managers need to grow with the skills of their employees too. You can't just rely on tenure, you should always be on the bleeding edge of tech so you can grow them.

[ADLER]

I refuse to blame Gen Z. 

It was us that that restricted their ability to grow and mature. Mom and Dad both worked and had considerably less time to spend with frivolous childish activities. Since the 1990's we have been handing them better and better gaming systems to keep them occupied and out of our hair. Since 2007 we have been handing them, and buying for them, the most advanced phone systems that occupied them and kept them out of our hair. They never did anything outside unless they monitored by a parent or coach.

We didn't teach them beneficial values; loyalty, honesty, appreciation, patriotism, piety, charity, and pity for the less fortunate. They got pumped on ADHD medicines because it made parenting even easier.

We let some horrible people get elected due a created plague and misguided and contrived race riots.

A Green Agenda and Inflation Reduction Act have almost killed the American Dream for this generation. Government entitlements are billed as the only way forward but those benefits are reserved only for certain demographics that place their vices, drug activity, and special interests before the best interests of their country.

Their school teachers, many bound to an unholy allegiance to their America hating union bosses, have been of little help.

College Admissions were based on DEI (disguised racism). F U Harvard.

Now these kids are being launched into the real adult world without having been properly prepared, without having to have participating in all those frivolous indiscretions of youth, and they are viewed as misguided and lazy because of the liberal (socialist) values that have been forced on them.

The American Dream is still attainable. Vote FOR America in the coming election (as opposed to voting against it) and the process of correction will begin. A certain party has tried to sell the young people's future away but the dream isn't dead.

Review the issues. VOTE WHAT IS BEST FOR AMERICA, and then live the fruitful and rewarding life of the American Dream.

Or vote for the incompetent hag and her socialist agenda that are going to place everybody in poverty (equity) for generations.

Like I said Gen Z, It's not your fault, but you're the only ones that can lead yourselves out of the mess that we allowed to develop. That or live like Brazil and Argentina in equity poverty. Please save yourselves.

Please vote FOR America, live a wonderful and fruitful life, and raise your not yet envisioned children to live the American Dream. A "Woke" anti-America vote will ruin your children's and grandchildren's lives.

 

 

Edited October 8 by ADLER

[Coffee and TV]

The Green New Deal never even got a vote on the floor, much less passed. But someone who thinks covid was created as some sort of conspiracy to steal an election doesn't have their head screwed on straight as it is.

[TIgreen01]

Finding good workers has always been a thing.  Limiting hiring options can exacerbate this issue and lead to stats that look more out of whack than they actually are.  Where I'm at we only hire out of an intern pool.  Not my favorite thing in the world, to be sure as we partner that with an "almost" ban on experienced hires.  However, when I entered the workforce contract-to-hire was a big thing.  Essentially the same concept, but allows you to get a feel for the new employee and vice-versa.  If it's not a fit, you can cut bait early without a huge investment in time and resources on both sides.  Programs and processes like this exist and have existed for as long as I can remember to combat getting stuck with bad fits or people who aren't going to be productive in your organization.  Covid messed a lot of this up, for a variety of reasons, and what you're seeing now, 4 years on, is a correction, not a sign of a generation gone wrong.

But you guys carry on with all the psycho-babble.  It's entertaining.

Edited October 8 by TIgreen01

[UNTLifer]

1 hour ago, Coffee and TV said:

The Green New Deal never even got a vote on the floor, much less passed. But someone who thinks covid was created as some sort of conspiracy to steal an election doesn't have their head screwed on straight as it is.

It's okay.  Biden/Harris just spent billions and enacted "Green" initiatives without a vote.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/04/20/fact-sheet-president-biden-to-catalyze-global-climate-action-through-the-major-economies-forum-on-energy-and-climate/

 

[Coffee and TV]

5 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

It's okay.  Biden/Harris just spent billions and enacted "Green" initiatives without a vote.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/04/20/fact-sheet-president-biden-to-catalyze-global-climate-action-through-the-major-economies-forum-on-energy-and-climate/

 

Cool. At the rate we're going wind and solar will pass natural gas in the next 10 years. It's already happening in this state and California has had days where almost  100% came from renewables. I don't understand why more work isn't being put into tidal generation though. Maybe it's harder in practice than theory.

[UNTLifer]

I was in the Hill Country last weekend.  Nothing like seeing acres covered in solar panels that make me think how environmentally friendly that is along with all the "beautiful" wind turbines popping up everywhere.

[Coffee and TV]

8 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

I was in the Hill Country last weekend.  Nothing like seeing acres covered in solar panels that make me think how environmentally friendly that is along with all the "beautiful" wind turbines popping up everywhere.

Right, acid rain and cooking the earth's atmosphere is so much more environmentally friendly. 

 

EDIT: also wind turbines look cool as shit and I guess you prefer well burnoffs ruining the night sky instead?

https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/drilling-rigs-lighting-up-west-texas-night-skies/

Edited October 8 by Coffee and TV

[Censored by Laurie]

what if we just had a @UNTLifer and @Coffee and TV forum? 

[Censored by Laurie]

17 hours ago, Udomann said:

It's also managers not understanding the way things work now, or being old school and not keeping up with the times.

Example: if you aren't using AI to simplify your work processes then you are behind. If you aren't innovative you are behind. If you aren't hiring for potential instead of experience,  you *might* be behind.

It goes both ways. Gen z could be lazy, but lazy + brilliant can lead to innovation. 

Likewise, old school managers have that work ethic, but work ethic without investing yourself into new technologies leads to stagnation. 

Managers need to grow with the skills of their employees too. You can't just rely on tenure, you should always be on the bleeding edge of tech so you can grow them.

add to that if you've installed managers who can't motivate, why are they in leadership positions. 

I'll never understand everything about subsequent generations (like...why the hell are they bringing back the white calf-high sock with shorts? we perfected socks with the no-show...at most the ankle-high...it's mad ick, yo) but most of my interactions I've noticed kinder, more emotionally developed people than I was at that age and with that a better sense of self-worth and value...so I can understand how just being plugged in as a cog in an entry-level position is disquieting. 

[MCMLXXX]

On 10/6/2024 at 7:38 PM, Censored by Laurie said:

so do corporations have no responsibility to adjust expectations to meet the demands of a changing work-force? 

so much of the actual pertinent part of this thread seems to operate from a pretty dated idea that employees are "lucky" to have jobs at all. employees are a benefit to the company. full stop. 

if a company has been doing something for 50 years and now finds that doesn't work, the default shouldn't be to just blame the kids or just blame the colleges...that's lazy thinking...the companies/corporations themselves have to adjust as well. 

Why should any employer expect a college graduate to be able to read? Isn't it enough to know they have high self esteem and isn't kindness sufficient.

The Elite College Students Who Can’t Read Books - The Atlantic