2025 DC Wish List

[Tom McKrackin]

3 minutes ago, 3_n_out said:

Our DC also needs to be able to recruit. Apparently, the last regime only recruited DBs and STILL couldn’t run the 3-3-5. 

Agreed.  Our former highest paid football assistant was clearly a terrible coach and recruiter as well.  Mosley will be making the next hire.  He has to as Morris is putting his AD job in jeopardy now.

[Hunter Green]

12 hours ago, 3_n_out said:

This is my worry of having a younger HC running the show. Do they have the contacts and connections to be able to hire experienced coaches? And, will these experienced potential DCs believe in EM and his style knowing they potentially could be hung out to dry with all the aggressive nature of Morris’s playcalling? Also, will they realize EM could be on the hot seat, so their time could be limited? Lots of things to unpack going to a school constantly underperforming year after year. 

That's why we should go after Carthel. He'd be HC in waiting.

[Venson]

37 minutes ago, Hunter Green said:

That's why we should go after Carthel. He'd be HC in waiting.

I only think Carthel is HC in waiting if Morris gets hired away. If he gets fired then that most likely means they are going to hire someone outside the current coaches and that means Carthel is most likely not retained by the new HC. I am not sure he would walk into a situation where he feels the HC is on the hot seat.

[Meangreen Fight]

I really think everyone is overthinking it.  Find a defensive leaning high school head coach in the state of Texas near the I-35 & I-45 corridor.  Bring him and another defensive coach from the high school level he respects most.  Because defensive players we have need more one-on-one attention to just be decent.  So the only way to increase that one-on-one time with limited practice time by NCAA rules is more coaching bodies.  I also think that having coaches fresh from the high school ranks are better scouts for targeting talent that can be flipped from offense to defense.

[BigWillie]

11 minutes ago, Meangreen Fight said:

I really think everyone is overthinking it.  Find a defensive leaning high school head coach in the state of Texas near the I-35 & I-45 corridor.  Bring him and another defensive coach from the high school level he respects most.  Because defensive players we have need more one-on-one attention to just be decent.  So the only way to increase that one-on-one time with limited practice time by NCAA rules is more coaching bodies.  I also think that having coaches fresh from the high school ranks are better scouts for targeting talent that can be flipped from offense to defense.

Todd Dodge would like to have a word with you.

[3_n_out]

17 minutes ago, Venson said:

I only think Carthel is HC in waiting if Morris gets hired away. If he gets fired then that most likely means they are going to hire someone outside the current coaches and that means Carthel is most likely not retained by the new HC. I am not sure he would walk into a situation where he feels the HC is on the hot seat.

Unless Carthel believes he’s got a good shot of becoming the HC in waiting whatever happens to EM. But, getting a hefty pay raise to run a defense could be pretty convincing. 

Next question: Is the $ allocated to the recruiters EM spent for worth it? Is it working?

[NM Green]

I’m such a believer that EM has to trust this guy. I like that EM seems to really love this job and wants UNT to succeed. His early legacy is pulsing.

For synergy you need belief and energy. I would look at his previous stops and studs along that tree line.  Washington State is doing well. EM seems nicely connected. We have a sweet offer too. We are basically in the ditch right now. You get to coach in the American. You live DFW. There will be good talent available soon.

Jared will be heavily involved. 

GMG

[Venson]

24 minutes ago, Meangreen Fight said:

I really think everyone is overthinking it.  Find a defensive leaning high school head coach in the state of Texas near the I-35 & I-45 corridor.  Bring him and another defensive coach from the high school level he respects most.  Because defensive players we have need more one-on-one attention to just be decent.  So the only way to increase that one-on-one time with limited practice time by NCAA rules is more coaching bodies.  I also think that having coaches fresh from the high school ranks are better scouts for targeting talent that can be flipped from offense to defense.

Tell me this is sarcasm. It's hard to tell online anymore.

[cousin oliver]

2 minutes ago, NM Green said:

Jared will be heavily involved. 

I tend to hope so.  Eric seems to have eroded the trust he originally had in terms of his decision making skills.

[3_n_out]

5 minutes ago, NM Green said:

I’m such a believer that EM has to trust this guy. I like that EM seems to really love this job and wants UNT to succeed. His early legacy is pulsing.

For synergy you need belief and energy. I would look at his previous stops and studs along that tree line.  Washington State is doing well. EM seems nicely connected. We have a sweet offer too. We are basically in the ditch right now. You get to coach in the American. You live DFW. There will be good talent available soon.

Jared will be heavily involved. 

GMG

So what’s Jared’s football background? Besides interviewing, how would he know the best candidate to hire? EM definitely needs some input since you don’t want to have division on the team when the HC isn’t on board with the DC hire. Then again, EM had his chance. At this stage in his career, he still needs guidance. 

[Meangreen Fight]

9 hours ago, Tom McKrackin said:

Agreed.  Our former highest paid football assistant was clearly a terrible coach and recruiter as well.  Mosley will be making the next hire.  He has to as Morris is putting his AD job in jeopardy now.

For all the decisions after that weather  aided win over UTSA, a 2025 season without 9 regular seasons or a bowl game being the 9th win should get everyone but Patrick Cob fired.  Like others have pointed out, being a DC under a coach on the hot seat is not likely to be a stable position attractive to DCs that are covetted.  So either you bring in a DC with an extended contract as the HC in waiting or you just roll the dice with a less experienced DC.  I don't this can happen, but I would like Zach Orr.  I want to see a 2026 or 2027 with Patrick Cobb and Zach Orr at the helm.  Either one as Head Coach and the other as Assistant HC and coordinator for their side of the ball.  Eric Morris just isn't ready to be a head coach at this level.  If we were still in CUSA or contending with programs like Southern Miss, La Tech,  UTEP, Rice, ULM, South Alabama and Texas State it might be a different story.  In AAC and above coaching, talent elevation is just too good to achieve anything significant with one side of the ball that has NOTHING it does well consistently.  Hell if they could just tackle people aren't walking out early 3rd quarter. 

[Green with Envy]

13 minutes ago, Meangreen Fight said:

 I don't this can happen, but I would like Zach Orr.  I want to see a 2026 or 2027 with Patrick Cobb and Zach Orr at the helm.  Either one as Head Coach and the other as Assistant HC and coordinator for their side of the ball.  

Why in the world would Zach Orr leave a DC position in the NFL for this program?   I don’t care if we we’re the North Texas Fight Zach Orrs playing at Orr Family Field, he’s not making that move.  

[Meangreen Fight]

10 minutes ago, Venson said:

Tell me this is sarcasm. It's hard to tell online anymore.

Half Sarcasm and Half Not.  This program vasilates from throwing money around to pleading poverty. The only reason this program has been so bad over the last 20 years is bad leadership.  They aren't dumb they are playing some political game most fans are not pivy too.  Coach Dodge should have retained most of Dickey's defensive staff and had more FBS experience on his staff from day one.  Coach Mac should not have been allowed to bring a Stone Age offense in with him.  Coach Littrell should have never been extended multiple times without winning anything.  And Eric Morris should not have been allowed to bring in a gimmicky 3-3-5 just because it frustrated EM's offenses the most (in his opinion).   EM should be gone at the end of the season to be sure but they gave him the rope to hang himself.  🤷🏽‍♂️.  So bring in high school coaches onto the defensive staff and we might get lucky.   Because in 2025 I am 90% certain this will be just  like Seth's last year:   2025 EM Team will Predictable underachievement looking pretty much the  same as the last 2024 team.  I predict a slightly better defense in spots, a slight dropoff in offense and flirting with 0.500 most of 2025.  If only EM was the QB recruiter & QB coach under Seth we might have a few bowl wins 😆. 

[Meangreen Fight]

14 minutes ago, Green with Envy said:

Why in the world would Zach Orr leave a DC position in the NFL for this program?   I don’t care if we we’re the North Texas Fight Zach Orrs playing at Orr Family Field, he’s not making that move.  

Tell me you didn't read "I don't think this can happen" without telling me.  🙄.   Orr coming here as Head Coach is possible.  Lane Kiffin went from NFL head coach to head coach at FAU.  Deion Sanders went to FCS Jackson State.   National Championship winning Head Coach went to UTSA.  But thank you for highlighting how shitty UNT fans think our coordinator positions are.  But in the same thread get scolded for suggesting hiring 2 respected experience high school coaches for taking the shitty job. 😆

[Green with Envy]

3 minutes ago, Meangreen Fight said:

Tell me you didn't read "I don't think this can happen" without telling me.  🙄.  
 

 But thank you for highlighting how shitty UNT fans think our coordinator positions are.  But in the same thread get scolded for suggesting hiring 2 respected experience high school coaches for taking the shitty job. 😆

Oh, I read it, which is why I made sure to include it in my original quote edit.  
 

And that last part….that’s pretty funny man.  😂😂  great point. 

[3_n_out]

It’s only a shitty job because UNT has failed to develop a brand all these years. So the failure has been throughout the institutional level. It’ll take some sort of wizardry or someone selling their soul to get us out of this misery. Any volunteers?

[Green with Envy]

9 minutes ago, Meangreen Fight said:

 Lane Kiffin went from NFL head coach to head coach at FAU.  Deion Sanders went to FCS Jackson State.   National Championship winning Head Coach went to UTSA.  😆

And easy with those comparisons.  Kiffin was fired from the Raiders and had several college stops before FAU.   Coker was out of the game for a number of years before starting up UTSA.  Deion was a publicity hire that just happened to have worked out. 

[greenminer]

19 hours ago, jtm0097 said:

Caponi has been fired. What a terrible experiment this was.

The "football is football" approach that brought in the DC from Southlake takes the cake for me.  Just in terms of bad bad defense.

This could be argued much worse, however, because of the financial investment.  The Dodge era was the budget-friendly move.  This era is not.  We paid Caponi SO MUCH MONEY.

[Side.Show.Joe]

On 10/26/2024 at 6:17 PM, El Paso Eagle said:

Colby Carthel would still be my top choice, but 

 

https://niuhuskies.com/staff-directory/nick-benedetto/4550#:~:text=Nick Benedetto - Defensive Coordinator%2FSafeties - Staff Directory - NIU Athletics

 

After doing a little research, it is my opinion that Benedetto needs to get the job. 

The dude runs a 4-2-5, and this season his defense has not given up more than 28 points in any game. That includes NIU's 16-14 win over Notre Dame, and NIU's 24-17 loss to NC State. Benedetto's defense is only giving up an average of 284.4 yard per game and 18.5 points.

for comparison, if UNT's defense didn't allow more than 28 points in any game this season, the Mean Green would be 7-3 right now. And that's with Morris' questionable discissions like passing up points, onside kicks after the first drive of the game, and not having a jumbo package in goal line situations. 

[Mean Green 93-98]

4 hours ago, greenminer said:

The "football is football" approach that brought in the DC from Southlake takes the cake for me.  Just in terms of bad bad defense.

The funny thing with that is, after we fired the DC from Southlake and brought in an experienced college DC . . . our defense actually got worse.

[MeanGreenGlory]

5 hours ago, Meangreen Fight said:

Half Sarcasm and Half Not.  This program vasilates from throwing money around to pleading poverty. The only reason this program has been so bad over the last 20 years is bad leadership.  They aren't dumb they are playing some political game most fans are not pivy too.  Coach Dodge should have retained most of Dickey's defensive staff and had more FBS experience on his staff from day one.  Coach Mac should not have been allowed to bring a Stone Age offense in with him.  Coach Littrell should have never been extended multiple times without winning anything.  And Eric Morris should not have been allowed to bring in a gimmicky 3-3-5 just because it frustrated EM's offenses the most (in his opinion).   EM should be gone at the end of the season to be sure but they gave him the rope to hang himself.  🤷🏽‍♂️.  So bring in high school coaches onto the defensive staff and we might get lucky.   Because in 2025 I am 90% certain this will be just  like Seth's last year:   2025 EM Team will Predictable underachievement looking pretty much the  same as the last 2024 team.  I predict a slightly better defense in spots, a slight dropoff in offense and flirting with 0.500 most of 2025.  If only EM was the QB recruiter & QB coach under Seth we might have a few bowl wins 😆. 

You lost me at “half not.”

[TalonsUp]

Jeremiah Johnson from La Tech. My #1 choice

no to high school DC, they have no clue to the portal and I don’t feel a great source of talent judgement. Carthel I don’t think would come for a coordinator role even for 200k more. He was my choice for HC after SL. 
if Johnson tells us no, look at the D2 level. D2 coordinators are more aggressive recruiting and better judges of talent. They are constantly trying to sell “snow to eskimos”. Bringing in particular kids from the portal with 1/2 schollys and inadequate facilities filling holes left by transfers etc. They are hustlers AND they won’t be afraid to come in with a hot seat coach, because of the confidence in their own skill . They will be more aggressive, But will adapt to the personnel they have in the cupboard. 
I’m also not sure we are getting any value from our recruiting gurus and support staff and we may need to revamp in that area for sure. 
Question our dfw high school coaches and get their recommendations for a DC 

We can do a little research in the D2 level and save money on a search committee lol

[Greenrex]

In my humble opinion, it seems as if the AD may have something of a choir-boy requirement...just thinking out loud.