PAC is back

SMU2006 · September 18

9 hours ago, MeanGreenRoadrunner said:

The $15 mill makes a lot of sense for the quick jumps. If you're one of the new American teams, like UTSA/UNT, you may have to make the jump. That's about triple what they get in the American right now.

If that's the dollar figure then Memphis/Tulane are as good as gone. I don't know that what is being cited is accurate but even if its close you have to do it.

I still think the PAC needs four more schools. UNLV, UNT, UTSA, and USF. Make it happen.

El Paso Eagle · September 18

15 hours ago, MeanGreenRoadrunner said:

The $15 mill makes a lot of sense for the quick jumps. If you're one of the new American teams, like UTSA/UNT, you may have to make the jump. That's about triple what they get in the American right now.

If the $15 is already known, I wonder if Apple or Amazon is involved.

Rudy · September 18

On 9/14/2024 at 4:12 AM, GMG_Dallas said:

Wow. Had no idea it was that large.

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GMG_Dallas · September 18

If $15 mil is the number, I'd be all for UNT going at half with a ramp up system similar to what we're doing in the AAC. Staying in a depleted AAC will be more costly in the long run.

3_n_out · September 18

16 minutes ago, GMG_Dallas said:

If $15 mil is the number, I'd be all for UNT going at half with a ramp up system similar to what we're doing in the AAC. Staying in a depleted AAC will be more costly in the long run.

I would imagine $15M would be for those two elite AAC programs. I’m not so certain UNT would share that amount if invited…perhaps not yet anyways.

GMG_Dallas · September 18

3 minutes ago, 3_n_out said:

I would imagine $15M would be for those two elite AAC programs. I’m not so certain UNT would share that amount if invited…perhaps not yet anyways.

Right which is why I said I'd be for going in at half. I meant half rate, 50%, $7.5 mil, more than what we get now and more than the next AAC deal without Memphis and Tulane. It's a no brainer to me, especially if we could ramp up that number by say 10% per year like we're doing now in the AAC.

El Paso Eagle · September 18

22 minutes ago, 3_n_out said:

I would imagine $15M would be for those two elite AAC programs. I’m not so certain UNT would share that amount if invited…perhaps not yet anyways.

What exactly makes these two elite? They've each won 1 conference championship in the past ten years (same as Temple). Prior to the last couple of years, Tulane was very average in football and was 2-10 in 2021. Memphis has been the more consistent, but I'm not sure either is elite.

Edited September 18 by El Paso Eagle

MeanGreenGlory · September 18

20 minutes ago, GMG_Dallas said:

Right which is why I said I'd be for going in at half. I meant half rate, 50%, $7.5 mil, more than what we get now and more than the next AAC deal without Memphis and Tulane. It's a no brainer to me, especially if we could ramp up that number by say 10% per year like we're doing now in the AAC.

Don't undervalue what we bring to the table. I'd push for full membership dollars. If they already have a working agreement that makes allocations uneven, I'd push for more than 50%.

TripleGrad · September 18

46 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:

What exactly makes these two elite? They've each won 1 conference championship in the past ten years (same as Temple). Prior to the last couple of years, Tulane was very average in football and was 2-10 in 2021. Memphis has been the more consistent, but I'm not sure either is elite.

The names have value. Even casual football fans have heard of Tulane and Memphis. One simply can't say the same of Temple or North Texas.

GMG_Dallas · September 19

3 hours ago, MeanGreenGlory said:

Don't undervalue what we bring to the table. I'd push for full membership dollars. If they already have a working agreement that makes allocations uneven, I'd push for more than 50%.

You're right. I'm just saying I'd be in support of taking less if it ultimately became necessary to get into the new PAC. I sure would hope our leadership wouldn't sell themselves short at the start of negotiations. As far as I'm concerned, 8 is minimum for a conference so the PAC needs 2 more but they really need 10 or 12 to safeguard themselves against future membership losses. Not a matter of if but when that happens. Can't be floating with a bare minimum of 8. We have some leverage for now.

UNTLifer · September 20

Still don't get the CO St. attraction.

They can offer $15 million up front, but that isn't a sustainable number annually. Just an upfront payment as they are currently flush with cash, but they don't have anymore coming in. Paying off all of these schools will drain that money real quick. It all smells of desperation and I don't get the attraction to the MWC II. Pick up Air Force, much better than CO St., and TX St., who have a better overall athletic department than UTSA. Tulane and Memphis have repeatedly stated that they have no interest in going west. The PAC is just talking up big game hoping to get someone to jump.

GMG_Dallas · September 20

I don't get the Texas State love if UTSA gets the nod. Why go after two schools basically in the same market? I can understand one or the other but both makes no sense for one conference if you're trying to expand your media footprint. Highly doubt they're both in play together.

MeanGreen22 · September 20

Everything is heating up. Just like a lot speculated, Memphis holds the key and they may say no thanks.

Deep Throte · September 20

Memphis and Tulane are definitely NOT joining the Pac 2. UTSA is just being the whore that they are and lifting their skirt to see if they can get a couple more dollars in the tip jar. I don't think people understand how desperately broke they are. Memphis and Tulane are in direct contact with the ACC who is telling them what they need to hear.

MeanGreen22 · September 20

4 minutes ago, Deep Throte said:

Memphis and Tulane are definitely NOT joining the Pac 2. UTSA is just being the whore that they are and lifting their skirt to see if they can get a couple more dollars in the tip jar. I don't think people understand how desperately broke they are. Memphis and Tulane are in direct contact with the ACC who is telling them what they need to hear.

Being the brokest program in the “best of the rest” conference would definitely be a choice.

Jonnyeagle · September 20

6 minutes ago, Deep Throte said:

Memphis and Tulane are definitely NOT joining the Pac 2. UTSA is just being the whore that they are and lifting their skirt to see if they can get a couple more dollars in the tip jar. I don't think people understand how desperately broke they are. Memphis and Tulane are in direct contact with the ACC who is telling them what they need to hear.

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MeanGreenGlory · September 20

47 minutes ago, MeanGreen22 said:

Everything is heating up. Just like a lot speculated, Memphis holds the key and they may say no thanks.

"To meet NCAA and CFP requirements, the league must reach eight full members, a reason that the Pac-12 — and/or its consulting firm Navigate — is in discussion with three other American Athletic Conference members: South Florida, Tulane and UTSA."

Facilities, basketball, and olympic sports are all great...but if you didn't believe it before, this makes it crystal clear that football is the sport driving everything. To see UTSA mentioned as a desireable candidate alongside Memphis, South Florida, and Tulane instead of UNT despite our advantages in most all other areas of university and athletic department is obnoxious.

C Rod · September 20

17 minutes ago, Deep Throte said:

Memphis and Tulane are definitely NOT joining the Pac 2. UTSA is just being the whore that they are and lifting their skirt to see if they can get a couple more dollars in the tip jar. I don't think people understand how desperately broke they are. Memphis and Tulane are in direct contact with the ACC who is telling them what they need to hear.

I sure hope you're right.

greenminer · September 20

It's currently the PAC2, right?

What would have to play out for American to pass the PAC2 in terms of performance, media rights, and perception? I have this wild idea that we all hold firm on where we are at, together, and make a concerted effort to figure out how to make this happen. Not that we become P4, just simply pass the PAC2 which seems pretty much dead as it stands.

MeanGreenGlory · September 20

Publicity can help build a brand up faster than you think. Even if the UNT AD and president don’t want to go the the PAC or the move isn’t as likely because Memphis and Tulane aren’t actually going…being in the conversation still matters.

This is just one small example of how UTSA is using this opportunity to elevate their brand above ours even if they don’t go to the PAC. By being in the conversation, and having Traylor stir the rumor mill on his coaches show, they’re positioning themselves amongst the top of the AAC. It may seem small, but over time, this is the type of stuff that (along with winning) shapes outside perception.

Again, for us to not be publicly interjecting UNT in this conversation even if we don’t end up going is a disservice to our brand.

UNTLifer · September 20

6 hours ago, GMG_Dallas said:

I don't get the Texas State love if UTSA gets the nod. Why go after two schools basically in the same market? I can understand one or the other but both makes no sense for one conference if you're trying to expand your media footprint. Highly doubt they're both in play together.

History, better facilities, etc.

GMG_Dallas · September 20

5 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

History, better facilities, etc.

Better facilities than who?

UNTLifer · September 20

2 minutes ago, GMG_Dallas said:

Better facilities than who?

I was comparing them to UTSA.

wardly · September 20

On 9/18/2024 at 5:04 PM, MeanGreenGlory said:

Don't undervalue what we bring to the table. I'd push for full membership dollars. If they already have a working agreement that makes allocations uneven, I'd push for more than 50%.

Just asking, but what exactly do we bring to the table?

GMG_Dallas · September 20

2 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

I was comparing them to UTSA.

That's not what I asked though. If UTSA gets the nod, why would Texas State also get the nod? They seem to be lumped in together as both going. Makes no sense when they cover the same geographic area. So, if you need 4 schools and do Tulane, Memphis, UTSA, who's the fourth?