From the desk of Jared Mosley - special update

untphd · June 10

This came out today

https://meangreensports.com/news/2024/6/10/general-from-the-desk-of-jared-mosley

TheColonyEagle · June 10

The UNT athletic department is headed for tough times in the near future...

Hunter Green · June 11

I have given to Harry's collective as did others and still saw our roster decimated by other poaching schools. I realize this is a necessary evil, but it's discouraging to give hard earned money when an athlete is going to leave regardless.

MeanGreenZen · June 11

I also give to the collectives and would like my money back from every athlete that transferred. I know it doesn’t work that way though.
After losing ALMOST all of our good players from the football team AND basketball team to the transfer portal, I do question why I continue to give to the collectives.
The answer, I guess, is that maybe it helps us attract new players to replace the good players that we used to have who left us through the portal.
That is the only reason I am still giving. Anyone have any other reasons to help justify it?

Hunter Green · June 11

10 hours ago, MeanGreenZen said:

I also give to the collectives and would like my money back from every athlete that transferred. I know it doesn’t work that way though.
After losing ALMOST all of our good players from the football team AND basketball team to the transfer portal, I do question why I continue to give to the collectives.
The answer, I guess, is that maybe it helps us attract new players to replace the good players that we used to have who left us through the portal.
That is the only reason I am still giving. Anyone have any other reasons to help justify it?

And I still haven't gotten a satisfactory answer as to why we have two collectives. Is one football only and the other for basketball and everyone else? Which one serves the greater good?

meangreenbob · June 11

Been a Mean Green fan for well over 50 years. Like many of you I have green blood flowing in my veins. But I must admit that if I were to win a $500,000,000 (cash value) lotto I would not contribute or donate one cent to UNT Athletics under the current system in place. ( NIL, Portal) Not one cent.

DeepGreen · June 11

12 hours ago, Hunter Green said:

I realize this is a necessary evil,

No, it is not a "necessary evil". College football was just fine before this NIL bullsh*t.

Green Otaku · June 11

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I also wish to provide some context around the amount of NIL support being raised through collectives in the American Athletic Conference. At this point in time, most collectives at AAC member institutions are targeting $1-2M for the sport of football and $600K+ in the sport of men's basketball. Some institutions in our league are raising more than this. While this only mentions two sports, I wish to be transparent in providing this context around NIL in today's environment. We will continue to push for opportunities for ALL Mean Green student-athletes.

If they are trying to be transparent why not tell us how much they raise? We need to know what impact our contributions are doing, not just throwing money into a void.

Hunter Green · June 11

32 minutes ago, Green Otaku said:

If they are trying to be transparent why not tell us how much they raise? We need to know what impact our contributions are doing, not just throwing money into a void.

I think a financial statement should be provided to every doner that includes annual and YTD balances and how much is paid out and to whom. As a doner, I think I'm entitled to that information. Additionally, who makes the decision as to how much we pay a player? The coaches? The AD? Is the a cap as to the amount any one player can receive?

Edited June 11 by Hunter Green

meangreenbob · June 11

1 hour ago, Green Otaku said:

If they are trying to be transparent why not tell us how much they raise? We need to know what impact our contributions are doing, not just throwing money into a void.

It really seems foolish to just hand over money to people who have no accountability to where and how those funds are spent. Let that sink in.

Edited June 11 by meangreenbob

UNTLifer · June 11

3 hours ago, DeepGreen said:

No, it is not a "necessary evil". College football was just fine before this NIL bullsh*t.

You mean that all that free stuff they received before was enough? But, how do they survive without NIL when they get free tuition, books, room, food, tutoring services, clothing, healthcare, workout facilities, nutritionist/dieticians, strength and conditioning coaches, etc...

I think we pick one system or the other. One, is the old way. You get a scholarship that includes all the above and a small stipend for spending money. Or, you come, sign a NIL deal, make your money and pay for all that above.

DeepGreen · June 11

Just now, UNTLifer said:

You mean that all that free stuff they received before was enough? But, how do they survive without NIL when they get free tuition, books, room, food, tutoring services, clothing, healthcare, workout facilities, nutritionist/dieticians, strength and conditioning coaches, etc...

I think we pick one system or the other. One, is the old way. You get a scholarship that includes all the above and a small stipend for spending money. Or, you come, sign a NIL deal, make your money and pay for all that above.

Sorry. I like the old way.

NT80 · June 11

I’m waiting for the Fan NIL.

The athletes can pay me out of their NIL to come cheer for them!

UNTLifer · June 11

1 hour ago, DeepGreen said:

Sorry. I like the old way.

Me too, but let them earn some money on the side. Leaving that up to the universities just invites cheating. Then again, the NCAA is just a modern day eunuch.

cousin oliver · June 11

I feel like people get too riled up about NIL. If you want to help out in that particular regard there are ways to do it. If you don't then no big deal. I think it is good that they players are able to make some extra money. The coaches and AD's have been making tons for years on the players backs.

NT93 · June 11

4 minutes ago, cousin oliver said:

I think it is good that the players are able to make some extra money.

We obviously have different definitions of “some extra money.”

UNTLifer · June 11

4 minutes ago, cousin oliver said:

I feel like people get too riled up about NIL. If you want to help out in that particular regard there are ways to do it. If you don't then no big deal. I think it is good that they players are able to make some extra money. The coaches and AD's have been making tons for years on the players backs.

The coaches and AD's have made money because the programs they ran made money. Yes, they were paid a handsome salary, but these kids were provided for just not directly. First class facilities, everything I listed above, locker rooms that rival the finest country clubs, top rate sports medicine and rehab facilities, etc... There is value in what they receive for a scholarship in exchange for their ability to play a sport. Now, they should be allowed to make whatever they are able off of their name, image or likeness, but not paid a salary, ala smuT and TX Tech, for just being on the team. If Bill Utter Ford wanted to give Booger Kennedy a truck and a salary to be their spokesperson because he was "Built Ford Tough" then let them.

meangreenbob · June 11

One thing to keep in mind. No one is forcing these kids to play football. Sometimes we all act as if that’s their only option. It’s not.

Let them get a job. Go to work.
If they truly want to educate themselves then fine. Pay for your tuition. If that’s by working in a grocery store, do it. If it’s by earning an academic or athletic scholarship fine.

But don’t ask me to pay you to come and play at my school and then expect me to pay again at the ticket office to watch you play. I’m no fool

NorthTexasWeLove · June 11

1 minute ago, meangreenbob said:

One thing to keep in mind. No one is forcing these kids to play football. Sometimes we all act as if that’s their only option. It’s not.

Let them get a job. Go to work.
If they truly want to educate themselves then fine. Pay for your tuition. If that’s by working in a grocery store, do it. If it’s by earning an academic or athletic scholarship fine.

But don’t ask me to pay you to come and play at my school and then expect me to pay again at the ticket office to watch you play. I’m no fool

Yuuuuppp...

Trying to get us coming and going. It's not sustainable.

I have thought long and hard about donating a significant amount of money. I've had it queued up a few times to do so. I just stop and draw back and think... why. I have it. I wouldn't miss it.. and I could do it annually with no issue. But... "why" always flashes into my mind.

SUMG · June 11

Nothing prevents said players....from going in to coaching and working their way up the coaching ladder. (if they want to make the big coaching bucks).

But even at that....there are some lean times...as you work your way up that ladder.

I remember the story that Grant told....of how they lived off of (wife) Cece's income, as a waitress at Olive Garden....when he was a GA at Northern Colorado.

meangreenbob · June 11

2 hours ago, DeepGreen said:

Sorry. I like the old way.

But is education even required or considered any more?

Big Z · June 11

Why would anybody donate to just to have players just come here for year then bounce? I wouldn't even put the players' names on the back of the jerseys...

NT80 · June 11

3 hours ago, cousin oliver said:

I feel like people get too riled up about NIL. If you want to help out in that particular regard there are ways to do it. If you don't then no big deal. I think it is good that they players are able to make some extra money. The coaches and AD's have been making tons for years on the players backs.

Coaching is a paid career. Playing college football is not employment anymore than junior high football is.

wardly · June 12

17 hours ago, NT80 said:

Coaching is a paid career. Playing college football is not employment anymore than junior high football is.

Well the courts have ruled that the NCAA can't prevent play for pay in college ports so we need to determine the best way to live with it. I think making athletes university employees deserves consideration. You would think that UNT could , as a condition of employment, could have contracts that specify terms and conditions that would prevent players annually hopscotching without a financial penalty as well as define the actual total compensation, such as room and board, etc. The problem with North Texas is that any money that donors like myself give towards NIL is money that I won't be giving to our athletic department. I have allocated a defined amount that I am willing to contribute to athletics regardless of which pocket it goes in. On another note the past AD of Colorado State stated that he sees a "Super G6 " conference it the future. I have heard of but not seen the article but it would appear to be another layer between the 'haves and have nots". Unfortunately I view us as being on the outside looking in without the financial commitment from donors that would put us in the conversation for some sort of upward projection.

NT80 · June 12

19 minutes ago, wardly said:

Well the courts have ruled that the NCAA can't prevent play for pay in college ports so we need to determine the best way to live with it.

The courts haven't ruled any such thing. The NCAA is negotiating a settlement to allow NIL, but schools don't have to provide any NIL. And I don't think we should provide NIL! Use our donations for better facilities.

There are enough JUCO, FCS and DII players that would play at our level for just a scholarship. If they are good, then they can transfer out (as always anyway) to get NIL somewhere else.