G5s Finally Getting Together......Talking About Their Future

[TheColonyEagle]

14 minutes ago, GrandGreen said:

Plus if your current competition moves up and you don't than that is moving down not staying in place.  

[TheColonyEagle]

10 minutes ago, SMU2006 said:

B/c there are too many complications of limiting the sphere to 30-ish schools, not the least of which will be Congress and the mother of all antitrust lawsuits.

THE SPHERE IS 30-ISH SCHOOLS!!!

The debate is should we continue with this charade or be proactive and put something together that could benefit the rest of the left overs.

I happen to think a regional direction for the rest of us will be good...both in eyeballs and costs. Especially compared to what we have now.

For crying out loud, Cal is going to North Carolina for conference games. That's dumb.

Edited April 25 by TheColonyEagle

[SMU2006]

8 minutes ago, TheColonyEagle said:

THE SPHERE IS 30-ISH SCHOOLS!!!

The debate is should we continue with this charade or be proactive and put something together that could benefit the rest of the left overs.

I happen to think a regional direction for the rest of us will be good...both in eyeballs and costs. Especially compared to what we have now.

For crying out loud, Cal is going to North Carolina for conference games. That's dumb.

You mean like USC going to Rutgers for a conference game?  or BYU going to UCF?  You're acting like the geographic disposition is unique to the ACC.  Its not.  This is all being driven by TV.

[TheColonyEagle]

1 minute ago, SMU2006 said:

You mean like USC going to Rutgers for a conference game?  or BYU going to UCF?  You're acting like the geographic disposition is unique to the ACC.  Its not.  This is all being driven by TV.

Eventually, one of those four teams will be in the top group. The other three will be down with SMU and UNT

[SMU2006]

4 minutes ago, TheColonyEagle said:

Eventually, one of those four teams will be in the top group. The other three will be down with SMU and UNT

[TheColonyEagle]

9 minutes ago, SMU2006 said:

Your delusion would be funny if it weren’t so sad. 

[NorthTexasWeLove]

1 hour ago, SMU2006 said:

B/c there are too many complications of limiting the sphere to 30-ish schools, not the least of which will be Congress and the mother of all antitrust lawsuits.

There is a clear precedent to push antitrust suits right now. And it's not happening... Yet, here we are. 

[UNTcrazy727]

2 hours ago, SMU2006 said:

The Boston College/SMU's of the world will still be in the mix through access to the playoff.  Obviously, there is going to be a Power 2 but what's going to eventually happen is the Big 10 and SEC will shuffle off some of their lesser performing "assets" down to the ACC and Big 12 while FSU, Clemson, Kansas, and potentially UNC move up.  Rutgers, Vandy, NW, and a few others will head down.

The G5 will have their own division and won't be given access to the playoff, therefore necessitating they create their own.

Hate to nitpick your point, but Kansas? I don't see it right now. They're still so far behind in football. I know they've been improving and have a stadium remodel on the way, but other schools are better positioned to compete. 

IMO, schools like TCU, Okie St, and Texas Tech are in better position to move up if the SEC/Big 10 kicks out members. 

[NorthTexasWeLove]

On 4/24/2024 at 6:36 AM, jtm0097 said:

Include relegation in the model. 

Teams that play in the G5 championship get automatically moved to P4.

Lowest P4 teams, get moved to G5 to replace the two lost teams.

 

This is 100% the best way to move this thing along. Even with all of the terrible rules in place. However, the legislators at schools that are alum of flagship universities wouldn't dare push this along in fear of their precious darling school possibly slipping into the cellar and possibly being victim to this relegation model. That's the challenge. Everyone knows relegation is the best and most purest form of parity that would create a somewhat even playing field over a long period of time. But 'they' don't want an even playing field. They want to show up to the poker take with a mountain of chips and bully the others. There is a tremendous amount of pride and ego associated with all of this. 

[TIgreen01]

You guys are all delusional.  I have a hard time believing that the cut-off will be 30ish teams.  Its obvious that's where it is in reality, and dollars (revenue, budgets, etc).  But too many of these schools have enough delusional donors who are willing to keep throwing money at it.  Why does NIL make that change?  I think most of you don't actually talk to any of these big money guys.  They aren't jumping out....they are jumping in.  And always have.  Now it's legal to pay players to win...so anyone with a conscious before when it was illegal doesn't have that hanging over them now.  See SMU, Baylor, etc.

We're all a bunch of poor schmo's here.  Look at the scroll that runs across this very site.  That ain't big money scrolling through here.  True some of the big donors post on here, but not the Ryans or the 4 billionaire types that fund dirty schmoo.

Edited April 25 by TIgreen01

[rcade]

On 4/24/2024 at 9:47 PM, SMU2006 said:

When you have 4-5 billionaires footing the bill you don't care about the ROI.

If that was in Latin it could be SMU's motto.

[Arkstfan]

Every generation believes what they grew up is the how it is.

Well it isn't and never has been, whole thing is always evolving.

Used to be we had 180 schools playing Division I football and a dozen bowl games and depending on where you lived, you might not even get to watch four or five of those games unless your local TV station agreed to carry the Mizlou broadcast. 

Used to be the only NCAA requirement for a student-athlete to be eligible was that they be enrolled full time. It was the conferences, many with in excess of 20 schools set rules like had to meet some standard of academic progress, the conferences determined what a scholarship could cover and should not. The conferences determined the maximum scholarships that could be awarded.

Sure this was back when Montana and Idaho were in what is now the Pacific-2 but it happened.

Well things are changing. The Big Ten and SEC have just almost collected every high TV value school in the nation. They are in a crack over litigation about their agreement to cap compensation rather than allowing the market to determine value. It sounds like they are offering to commit something like $15 million to $20 million per school to compensate athletes. Maybe they lump it all up on the stars, maybe they just pass it out to everyone on the roster. If they spread it to everyone then making the 105 roster at Texas might be worth $50,000 a year to a walk-on. That's before NIL money. 

Right now there's no real money in Big Ten and SEC saying abracadabra AAC, MAC, Sun Belt, MWC, CUSA go away into another division.

No right now the benefit is for them to remain FBS and say see it's a free market, we aren't monopolizing it because those leagues have bowl agreements and tv deals and they can play their way into the CFP. We are complying with antitrust laws.

[C Rod]

On 4/24/2024 at 2:34 PM, Arkstfan said:

12 game tournament is likely to produce more money while costing less to put on because the participants own the stadium

RIP UTSA… just got hit with a stray bullet.

[greenb.o.g.]

Going back to the original title of this thread, I say: "It's about time."

[RBP79]

Lots of assumptions here....considering money/cash is the driver. That pie can only go so far.

 

[DentonStang]

More on G5 breaking away themselves proactively 

"Preliminary groundwork already is underway for the American, Conference-USA, Mid-American, Mountain West and SunBelt conferences to have an official Group of Five Top 25 national poll, with voting open only to head coaches in those leagues. Independent programs UConn and UMass also will be included in the rankings, pushing the number of teams involved to be approximately 64."

https://footballscoop.com/news/group-of-five-schools-to-unveil-all-new-top-25