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[UNTLifer]

Athletes suing for not getting paid to play thus forcing universities to share in the revenue produced by the teams these athletes play for.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/39064621/athletes-sue-ncaa-power-5-not-getting-paid

Edited January 9 by UNTLifer

[untphd]

1 hour ago, UNTLifer said:

Athletes suing for not getting paid to play thus forcing universities to share in the revenue produced by the teams these athletes play forward.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/39064621/athletes-sue-ncaa-power-5-not-getting-paid

Thanks, and the article below it are pretty good also.

[tmjerm]

Without having read the article, the concept itself is fine with me.  I have no problem with them being compensated. They sacrifice plenty and generate plenty of revenue.  JUST F’ING REGULATE IT.  This Wild West is gonna burn itself up. 

[TreeFiddy]

The anti trust exemptions are going to be the key to all of this.  The amount of money that will line politician's pockets will no doubt be huge regarding this topic and I am sure big money will eventually win out and the athletes will ultimately lose this aspect, but they will win the right to get more money than they have in the past.

If it truly becomes pay for play and players become employees I believe most universities will be forced to shut down organized sports and revert to intramural/club.  However, I doubt it gets to that point and they figure out a way to pay players enough to keep them somewhat content without being employees.  Going to be an interesting few years.

For what its worth, most of the rest of the world's universities operate on the intramural/club model when it comes to sports, although Japan has recently embarked on an intercollegiate journey somewhat similar to the US model.

[Jonnyeagle]

This seems reasonable to me.  The athletes should be paid.  They do the damn work

[peanuts104]

[greenminer]

“Massive revenues”?

I want to know what that’s like in Denton.

[El Paso Eagle]

For those who want to see athletes paid, would you be open to saying that if this is done, students should not have to pay athletic fees? Also, where will the money come from for all the schools that lose money? Should all the sports that lose money yearly be compensated, or should they be cut?

One of the things people keep saying is that it is a big business, and I agree. But most companies do not keep around divisions that lose money every year.

Edited December 9, 2023 by El Paso Eagle

[DentonLurker]

7 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:

For those who want to see athletes paid, would you be open to saying that if this is done, students should not have to pay athletic fees?

Yes

[NT80]

2 hours ago, Jonnyeagle said:

This seems reasonable to me.  The athletes should be paid.  They do the damn work

NO.  Their payment is a college scholarship.  Do Junior High kids need paid for playing 8th grade football?  The school gets revenue from tickets and popcorn sales.  It's all stupid. 

[untphd]

3 hours ago, Jonnyeagle said:

This seems reasonable to me.  The athletes should be paid.  They do the damn work

I think you are right and this is prolly the future.

[RBP79]

So if student athletes become employees they can sign a contract and be sued when they break it. 

What kind of mass revenues does UNT make off the Athletic Department...

So if your selected to attended a military Academy your signing a contract with that military branch and owe them your service after graduation. How does NIL and the portal effect them? 

This quickly turning into a SHITSHOW. 

[southsideguy]

1 hour ago, NT80 said:

NO.  Their payment is a college scholarship.  Do Junior High kids need paid for playing 8th grade football?  The school gets revenue from tickets and popcorn sales.  It's all stupid. 

Not many teams make money through sports.   I think you will see programs shut down or move down.  From what I have been reading a lot schools wont be able to compete in the NIL revenue sharing world.  Some are names we know in conference we strive to be in.  The super conference will form and they will pick and choice who they want in the league. you think they will want a Vanderbilt, Baylor, UH etc etc. I am not sure if SMU can keep up with the teams in the super conference.  Could even a Nebraska get in the super conference.  I guess the best we could hope for is regional conference with some good teams in it after the cards are all shown.

  I have not lost my love for the Mean Green but my love for college football is diminishing.   Why not just watch the NFL.

[untphd]

53 minutes ago, untphd said:

I think you are right and this is prolly the future.

Very interesting article about the history of paying NCAA college athletes

 

https://www.aspeninstitute.org/blog-posts/history-behind-debate-paying-ncaa-athletes/

[Mean Green 93-98]

4 hours ago, greenminer said:

“Massive revenues”?

I want to know what that’s like in Denton.

Which is why it's amusing that a female soccer player is part of this lawsuit.  She'll find herself on the wrong end of that I.O.U.

[TripleGrad]

5 hours ago, Jonnyeagle said:

This seems reasonable to me.  The athletes should be paid.  They do the damn work

 

Ok -- then remove the scholarships and room&board subsidies. Remember school?  Education?  At modern prices, they ARE getting paid a pretty solid chunk of change.  

[untphd]

The days when NFL players used to work second jobs to make ends meet are over and I think the days of not paying players is coming to an end. The  evolution of NCAA football will be come similar to that of the NFL

https://operations.nfl.com/learn-the-game/nfl-basics/rookies-guide/evolution-of-the-nfl-player/

[UNTLifer]

46 minutes ago, untphd said:

The days when NFL players used to work second jobs to make ends meet are over and I think the days of not paying players is coming to an end. The  evolution of NCAA football will be come similar to that of the NFL

https://operations.nfl.com/learn-the-game/nfl-basics/rookies-guide/evolution-of-the-nfl-player/

As @TripleGrad mentioned above, this is great and remove the scholarship that pays for everything. Might be eye opening to some of these kids when they realize how much all of that costs. 

[Graddean]

I believe full rides are based on cost of attendance.  At UNT THIS AMOUNTS TO $27,937 for an in-state student.  If we abide by the NCAA restriction of 20/week, a fifty week year would add up to a 1000 hours per year.  Using these numbers, we come up with an hourly wage of $27.94.  An hourly wage this size exceeds the hourly wage of 75% of hourly workers.  In addition to these tangible benefits there are many intangibles associated with acquiring a college education.

[untphd]

24 minutes ago, Graddean said:

I believe full rides are based on cost of attendance.  At UNT THIS AMOUNTS TO $27,937 for an in-state student.  If we abide by the NCAA restriction of 20/week, a fifty week year would add up to a 1000 hours per year.  Using these numbers, we come up with an hourly wage of $27.94.  An hourly wage this size exceeds the hourly wage of 75% of hourly workers.  In addition to these tangible benefits there are many intangibles associated with acquiring a college education.

I would guess that it is closer to 50 hours a week at a lot of institutions.

https://www.diverseeducation.com/sports/article/15088977/ncaa-athletes-work-long-hours-survey-says

[TreeFiddy]

One sensible solution is to take the money that would normally go toward paying for a scholarship and place that money in a trust fund similar to the armed forces or minor league baseball.  Stop the charade of forcing players to take classes, many times in subject they are not even interested in, and let them focus on their sport. 

Schools will still have to pay room and board and enough of a salary to cover hanging out money (or more) while playing their sport.  After they are done playing, they can spend the money on whatever they want, including an education.  There are plenty of degrees that coaches won't allow/strongly discourage.  This approach would allow players to pursue subjects they are actually interested in and have the time they need to focus on their studies.

 

[NT80]

2 hours ago, untphd said:

The days when NFL players used to work second jobs to make ends meet are over and I think the days of not paying players is coming to an end. The  evolution of NCAA football will be come similar to that of the NFL

https://operations.nfl.com/learn-the-game/nfl-basics/rookies-guide/evolution-of-the-nfl-player/

No.  The great difference is these are student-athletes, enrolled in college, that should be trying to get an education and degree, not a paycheck!

[Travis]

I thought most of these schools don’t really make a profit. And how does it work when some programs completely subsidize programs that can’t support themselves? 
when will title nine get out of college athletics?

[TreeFiddy]

As far as I can tell, the collectives are under no obligation to support Title IX.  If the schools become employers, then yes.  Otherwise, I doubt the collectives will ultimately feel the obligation to support Title IX unless they feel the need to pay for a player they really want on their team.

[untphd]

53 minutes ago, NT80 said:

No.  The great difference is these are student-athletes, enrolled in college, that should be trying to get an education and degree, not a paycheck!

You are right, they should be. What they are doing is getting an education in sport, so they can try to make it to the big time.