There’s no shame in going 5-7

NTSU52 · November 28, 2023

I can think of a lot of seasons in Denton that we would have been ecstatic to get 5 wins. In the 90s and mid to late 2000s especially. I know it’s not the season we wanted but alot of y'all need to look at where we came from before attacking Coach Morris and his staff.

Travis · November 28, 2023

2 minutes ago, NTSU52 said:

I can think of a lot of seasons in Denton that we would have been ecstatic to get 5 wins. In the 90s and mid to late 2000s especially. I know it’s not the season we wanted but alot of y'all need to look at where we came from before attacking Coach Morris and his staff.

You mean following a CUSA championship title game match? No. This is a big disappointment.

mgfan · November 28, 2023

7 minutes ago, NTSU52 said:

I can think of a lot of seasons in Denton that we would have been ecstatic to get 5 wins. In the 90s and mid to late 2000s especially. I know it’s not the season we wanted but alot of y'all need to look at where we came from before attacking Coach Morris and his staff.

We have to get past this mentality!

we had a losing season. That is nothing to be excited/proud/or encouraged about.

MeanGreenZen · November 28, 2023

Playing in a bowl game is my minimum expectation.
Breaking into the Top 25 is my realistic hope for this program.

Green Lantern · November 28, 2023

Massive disappointment this season. Zero excuse to not be bowl eligible at minimum.

Big Z · November 28, 2023

41 minutes ago, NTSU52 said:

I can think of a lot of seasons in Denton that we would have been ecstatic to get 5 wins. In the 90s and mid to late 2000s especially. I know it’s not the season we wanted but alot of y'all need to look at where we came from before attacking Coach Morris and his staff.

lol 😂

BigWillie · November 28, 2023

46 minutes ago, NTSU52 said:

I can think of a lot of seasons in Denton that we would have been ecstatic to get 5 wins. In the 90s and mid to late 2000s especially. I know it’s not the season we wanted but alot of y'all need to look at where we came from before attacking Coach Morris and his staff.

We are 9-3 counting moral victories.

golfingomez · November 28, 2023

50 minutes ago, MeanGreenZen said:

Playing in a bowl game is my minimum expectation.
Breaking into the Top 25 is my realistic hope for this program.

Your realistic hippie is that we win 11-12 games in the regular season?

ADLER · November 28, 2023

1 hour ago, mgfan said:

We have to get past this mentality!

we had a losing season. That is nothing to be excited/proud/or encouraged about.

So true. Anything less than 50% against other FBS competition is a disappointment. I am not terribly distraught about this season, but it would be ridiculous to be content (long term) with 4-7 records against FBS schools.

I do agree with NTSU52 though, there were times in our history when 5-7 would have been accepted. I believe we're past that.

We'll see. It'll show in the hustle of the staff during the offseason.

Travis · November 28, 2023

1 hour ago, golfingomez said:

Your realistic hippie is that we win 11-12 games in the regular season?

I think he means it isn’t beyond the possibility that a UNT team can win enough to be with those kind of teams. It is a realistic hope. It has to be/ should be. Otherwise, what are we really even doing?!

NT93 · November 28, 2023

2 hours ago, Travis said:

You mean following a CUSA championship title game match? No. This is a big disappointment.

Might have repeated that if we were still in CUSA.

Aquila_Viridis · November 28, 2023

There’s plenty of shame in this season. But we got an exceptionally bad hand in the conference schedule, not sure who to blame for that. There was going to be a dropoff due to changeover and adjustment, but that was needed in order to have a chance to really progress in the future. And I wouldn't want to trade places with ECU for example. So despite a strong dose of shame, on balance at this point I’m not wearing a bag and I think they will do considerably better next year.

NT93 · November 28, 2023

I think there’s a big difference in having shame in being 5-7 and being proud of it. I’m neither proud of nor ashamed of our season. The FIU game is the one that I just can’t reconcile. Win that game and we’re 6-6 and playing in a bowl game in our first season in a new conference.

I liked not getting our ass handed to us as many times as usual. And neither of our 20+ point losses were like the past few years where the game is over by halftime and we score meaningless points to cut the deficit to 20. We were in the Cal game until the TD with 7 seconds left in the first half seemed to deflate us. (But, yes, they hammered us). And the SMU game was competitive until we gifted them field position in the red zone in the 3rd quarter. Game went downhill hill after that.

Most people thought we’d finish around .500 and be middle of the pack in the AAC. We did that with the most difficult conference schedule and now people want to shift expectations.

Bottom line for me is this: I’ll take the 2023 team over the 2022 team all day, every day. This offense would shred that defense and Aune would gift us a pick 6 or throw at the WR feet on a big 3rd or 4th down conversion.

Again, not proud nor ashamed, but looking forward to next season.

ADLER · November 28, 2023

3 hours ago, Green Lantern said:

Massive disappointment this season. Zero excuse to not be bowl eligible at minimum.

So true. We would be bowling if we hadn't worn black and pooped the bed against FIU.

MeanGreenZen · November 28, 2023

9 hours ago, golfingomez said:

Your realistic hippie is that we win 11-12 games in the regular season?

That is what I believe this program can attain on the high-end. I think it can be done.

I DON’T think we can win a national championship in football for many reasons, but best case we can have a James Madison-type run and break the Top 25.

And on the low-end, I expect to play in some bowl game every season.
This season did not meet that criteria and was thus unacceptable.

MeanGreenTexan · November 28, 2023

Yes there is. There's plenty of "shame".

NT was preparing for the C-USA Championship game and then a bowl game at this time last year. We got there in a rocky way, but we got there. That finish was deemed to be not good enough last year, and changes were made... TO MAKE US BETTER. NT regressed.

TX St. finished last year with 4 wins. That finish was deemed to be not good enough, and changes were made to make them better. TX St. improved. Vastly.

While there are bright spots to look forward to next year (along with plenty to worry about, especially defensively), this season was definitely not a success.

Cooke County Kid · November 28, 2023

Nothing less than a winning season should be the bottom bar, so there should be some shame for not hitting that goal. There was a time around here that 5-7 would be acceptable, that should no longer be the case. We are and have been on an upward trend and we need, no have to maintain that trajectory. Hope once again springs eternal. GO MEAN GREEN!!!

TripleGrad · November 28, 2023

13 hours ago, NTSU52 said:

I can think of a lot of seasons in Denton that we would have been ecstatic to get 5 wins. In the 90s and mid to late 2000s especially. I know it’s not the season we wanted but alot of y'all need to look at where we came from before attacking Coach Morris and his staff.

This is the horrid mindset that has mired North Texas in mediocrity for a century now.

We are a top-4 size university in a football-crazy state. The 80s and 90s damaged the brand terribly, but that was 30 years ago. UCF didn't even have a football program 30 years ago. App State has gone from FCS to national visibility in under a decade. Liberty is a TOP 20 team, and has only been in FBS since 2018.

Everyone else can improve. Why, oh why, do UNT fans accept .500 (or less!) football as a goal?

GreenFlag · November 28, 2023

11 hours ago, NT93 said:

Might have repeated that if we were still in CUSA.

Last place FIU would like a word.

NT80 · November 28, 2023

I will take this 5-7 over another season of Seth. I see growth, a great QB, and fan communication and things we didn't have the last couple years. Now, about that defense....

Dpony14 · November 28, 2023

Yall don't have a bad team. The difference between 5-7 and 7-5 is razor thin. You've got a QB to build around which is one of the greatest predictors of future success. Need to bring in some defensive difference makers that fit the system your running, especially more beef on the DL.

Green Otaku · November 28, 2023

6-6 is the floor, the bare minimum. This season is already a strike against Morris.

wardly · November 28, 2023

12 hours ago, ADLER said:

So true. We would be bowling if we hadn't worn black and pooped the bed against FIU.

FIU just beat our butts. The Memphis loss is a bitter disappointment and the Navy game should of been won as well. However I am tired of going to piss ant bowls with 5&7 and 6&6 records. The "made up" bowl in Frisco last year was an embarrassment as was the attendance. We must win 8 or 9 games in order to get to a decent bowl such as Armed Forces Bowl in Ft. Wort. The only down side of sitting at home is the extra 15 days of practice we lose.