Not sure we can compete anymore

southsideguy · October 8, 2023

The Utah Utes and a NIL group called The Crimson Collective are presenting all 85 scholarship players a brand new Dodge Ram truck.

Each truck’s retail price is $61,000. Funded by collective donations, the trucks will be leased to each player as part of individual six-month contracts that are expected to roll over contingent on a player’s eligibility and enrollment at the university. Leases end when a player’s eligi…

DentonLurker · October 8, 2023

I don’t know that we have ever competed at the level of the top 30-50 programs in FBS.

MDH · October 8, 2023

I mean, we exceedingly rarely ever competed at a level similar to Utah on the field or on the recruiting trail.

southsideguy · October 8, 2023

And at this rate we never will, the playing field has become so tilted. What made college football great in the past there was a semi level playing field. I mean the players that we might get can get a free car going there or play for free for us.

If all the big boys do this and I am sure they are 85 scholarship players each will not be alot left over plus they will taking the good players from the smaller conference schools. The talent gap will grow bigger. I dont know why the SEC,Big 10, and Big 12 just become the minor leagues for the NFL. The players wont have to go to class and can just be paid to play for four year. Most take their classes on line now and never step foot on campus. I sure someone in the Athletic Department is taking the on line classes for them. It is not about the student athlete it about big tv contracts and winning.

Maybe the big schools should pay the the lower conference teams money for each player they take through the portal.

Andrew · October 8, 2023

2 hours ago, southsideguy said:

The Utah Utes and a NIL group called The Crimson Collective are presenting all 85 scholarship players a brand new Dodge Ram truck.

Each truck’s retail price is $61,000. Funded by collective donations, the trucks will be leased to each player as part of individual six-month contracts that are expected to roll over contingent on a player’s eligibility and enrollment at the university. Leases end when a player’s eligi…
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I wouldn’t want to ever scoop to that level of disgusting and pathetic.

I would never want a player who has to stoop to that level of pathetic on my team. Don’t pay players! Fix the system!

GreenFlag · October 8, 2023

24 minutes ago, Andrew said:

I wouldn’t want to ever scoop to that level of disgusting and pathetic.

I would never want a player who has to stoop to that level of pathetic on my team. Don’t pay players! Fix the system!

I would.

Mean Green 93-98 · October 8, 2023

31 minutes ago, Andrew said:

Fix the system!

If you have any ideas how to do that, I'm all ears.

Udomann · October 8, 2023

1 hour ago, Andrew said:

I wouldn’t want to ever scoop to that level of disgusting and pathetic.

I would never want a player who has to stoop to that level of pathetic on my team. Don’t pay players! Fix the system!

It is the reality though. Yes... it absolutely sucks. But we are neither powerful enough or in a position to change it.

So either we throw some cars at the kids or we abandon FBS football. At least until things course correct.

Andrew · October 8, 2023

38 minutes ago, GreenFlag said:

I would.

Yuck

MeanGreenDan · October 8, 2023

3 hours ago, MDH said:

I mean, we exceedingly rarely ever competed at a level similar to Utah on the field or on the recruiting trail.

Yup. Nothing new to see here.

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NT93 · October 8, 2023

I used to love watching amateur sports on Saturday’s in the fall, but that’s a thing of the past I guess.

wardly · October 9, 2023

Sporting News ranks UNT 114 th in D1 football YTD.

UNTLifer · October 9, 2023

30 minutes ago, wardly said:

Sporting News ranks UNT 114 th in D1 football YTD.

For some reason, I think this pleases you.

meaniegreenie · October 9, 2023

10 hours ago, Andrew said:

I wouldn’t want to ever scoop to that level of disgusting and pathetic.

I would never want a player who has to stoop to that level of pathetic on my team. Don’t pay players! Fix the system!

I have NO interest in watching that sport. I don't watch pro football and definitely don't care to watch semi-pro football. It's why I stopped watching P5 (especially SEC) games a long time ago.

greenminer · October 9, 2023

13 hours ago, southsideguy said:

What made college football great in the past there was a semi level playing field.

CFB has never felt semi-level in my lifetime.

NIL is definitely funneling more talent to the top.

I still enjoy following my Mean Green teams.

TIgreen01 · October 9, 2023

It’s always been this way…it was just hidden and the cheating to pay players happened behind closed doors.

I don’t see why the NFL would ever adopt these big schools as it’s minor league. Why would they? They get it for free today.

As long as there is no central rules enforcement arm, with real punishments, someone will always try to cheat to get ahead. It’s human nature. Look at college baseball. It’s all the same schools making the World Series that play big time football. It didn’t used to be like that before ESPN picked it up and made a big deal about it.

untjim1995 · October 9, 2023

2 hours ago, TIgreen01 said:

It’s always been this way…it was just hidden and the cheating to pay players happened behind closed doors.

I don’t see why the NFL would ever adopt these big schools as it’s minor league. Why would they? They get it for free today.

As long as there is no central rules enforcement arm, with real punishments, someone will always try to cheat to get ahead. It’s human nature. Look at college baseball. It’s all the same schools making the World Series that play big time football. It didn’t used to be like that before ESPN picked it up and made a big deal about it.

In the College World Series, I've seen Coastal Carolina, Rice, and Fresno State win titles in the last two decades. I saw Oral Roberts in the CWS last year and they made noise while there.

The NCAA Basketball Tournament and the NCAA Baseball Playoffs are what we wish college football was like. But the media behind football only wants about 30 teams to focus on and prop up. That will never change. And the sooner the Power Teams break away, the better it will be for teams at our level of play. Its patently unfair to the players, coaches, and fans to play at a level of football that doesn't give them a chance to be a champion. Every other level of football, from pee wee to the NFL, all crown a champion. Only exception is the G5s.

wardly · October 9, 2023

16 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

For some reason, I think this pleases you.

Now why in the hell would you say that ? I have been a supporter of North Texas athletics since my freshman year of 1961, both financially and attendance at events. Since COVID and turning 80 I have not been nearly as active as I have been in the past but that doesn't mean I don't care. I fly a large North Texas flag in my yard, wear green on game days, and continue to contribute to the Mean Green Scholarship fund. Regarding my post of our current national standing in football ,I think we need to know where we are are so we can see where we are going, which at present is the wrong way. Having said that I believe that in 2025 we will return to winning football and hope I am around to enjoy it.

Pavlovs Eagle · October 9, 2023

It's being reported in and around Ute Football circles Cam Rising has taken half a mil in NIL money for this season... and it's a wonder if he'll ever take a snap at this point.

What'd we give Rogers? A $50 Beth Marie's gift card?

MeanGreen22 · October 10, 2023

Here’s my kinda maybe hot take: Once these big donors realize giving the 3rd string TE a truck doesn’t equate to wins, you’ll start seeing some of this level out to a sustainable level.

rcade · October 10, 2023

This is a fun one-day headline for Utah but I have some questions.

How many of those 85 Utes actually want a leased Dodge Ram? If you polled them I bet a lot would prefer the money that's being spent on this. Is the collective going to pay for their auto insurance, gas and on-campus parking too?

How is this PR move going to look if any of those players crashes and hurts themselves or others behind the wheel?

rcade · October 10, 2023

On 10/8/2023 at 1:37 PM, DentonLurker said:

I don’t know that we have ever competed at the level of the top 30-50 programs in FBS.

The last time all FBS schools were anywhere close to competitive parity had to be before 1984 when the schools won an antitrust battle to take the control of the sport's TV away from the NCAA.

But in the 1970s it wasn't a level playing field for UNT either, excluded from the Southwest Conference. If it had been more fair, Hayden Fry might have stayed.

GrayEagle · October 10, 2023

I don't quite get it. What happens to the truck if a player doesn't live up to expectations? Does the next player get a used truck? If the player meets expectations does he get to keep the truck at graduation? Does the collective have to buy 85 new trucks each year? Or just the amount of trucks to replace the graduating seniors?

NorthTexasWeLove · October 10, 2023

On 10/8/2023 at 7:32 PM, UNTLifer said:

For some reason, I think this pleases you.

Yep, you got it figured out. People unhappy about UNT football are plants, because they have NO REASON to be dissatisfied.

MeanGreenTexan · October 10, 2023

On 10/8/2023 at 2:57 PM, Andrew said:

I wouldn’t want to ever scoop to that level of disgusting and pathetic.

I would never want a player who has to stoop to that level of pathetic on my team. Don’t pay players! Fix the system!

Do you still have a landline phone?
Do you still use a mapsco to get around?

It just seems like you're extremely against any sort of change at all.