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Early Prediction - Will we hold Navy to less than 500 yards offense?  

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  1. 1. Early Prediction - Will we hold Navy to less than 500 yards offense?

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Andrew Grand Master

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No…. We will be lucky to hold them even close to that and lose by 13-17. That may be the goal…. Keep it close and come back and best Temple to get to 3-3. Anything less than that is not good. 

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28 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:

Sadly, I do not believe we will

Considering that ACU just put 397 yards on us I would say that's a sure thing. 

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Side.Show.Joe Grand Master

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The UNT defense has allowed a 100 yard rusher in each of our games this season. Navy is going to smoke Morris' defense (Can't blame Caponi anymore. Morris is the one allowing this to continue, so he owns it now).

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UNTcrazy727 Grand Master

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1 hour ago, Side.Show.Joe said:

The UNT defense has allowed a 100 yard rusher in each of our games this season. Navy is going to smoke Morris' defense (Can't blame Caponi anymore. Morris is the one allowing this to continue, so he owns it now).

…what exactly are you wanting Morris to do?

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Withers940 Experienced

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I mean Wagner held em to 408 yards so if we’re smart, we’ll have 4 down linemen and stack the box. 
 

Navy averages more than 400 a game soo I pray for my sanity they hold ‘em under 500

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3_n_out Mentor

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10 hours ago, Withers940 said:

I mean Wagner held em to 408 yards so if we’re smart, we’ll have 4 down linemen and stack the box. 
 

Navy averages more than 400 a game soo I pray for my sanity they hold ‘em under 500

After watching them play through 4 games, do you think they’re smart enough to line up 4 DL and stack the line? I, personally, have my doubts. 

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10 hours ago, UNTcrazy727 said:

…what exactly are you wanting Morris to do?

Isn’t he the head coach? He’s right at field level to see how terrible this defense has been. Now you’re entering conference games versus better opponents. You won’t be facing FCS teams. If they’re able to put 31 points on you, the scoreboard is gonna run out of LED lights

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12 hours ago, Side.Show.Joe said:

The UNT defense has allowed a 100 yard rusher in each of our games this season. Navy is going to smoke Morris' defense (Can't blame Caponi anymore. Morris is the one allowing this to continue, so he owns it now).

Did you see Dilfer go off on his coaches yesterday? Looked like he got heated coz of a defensive substitution penalty, and he let his defensive coaches have it. Maybe Morris needs to do that. Maybe these coaches need to get uncomfortable so we can see what they have under pressure 

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I think Morris is still playing nice but doesn't have time for that. He better get this show moving because next week will be here fast. Navy is looking to chew us up and spit us out. 

Coach Morris knows our available resources, and he needs to tighten up defensive schemes that best fit the personnel at hand. Fix the tackling. Remove CAPONI if that helps fire up the defensive side. 

It is like we need some tackling fuel.

 

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greenminer Grand Master

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51 minutes ago, 3_n_out said:

Did you see Dilfer go off on his coaches yesterday? Looked like he got heated coz of a defensive substitution penalty, and he let his defensive coaches have it. Maybe Morris needs to do that. Maybe these coaches need to get uncomfortable so we can see what they have under pressure 

Dilfer’s “uncomfortable” defensive staff just surrendered 21 2H points and lost.

just win

I don’t see a HC in Morris that looks apathetic. I think he prefers to handle these things behind closed doors.  And I think he knows this kind of defense is not going to win tons of games.

now, if we are losing loads of games and I see apathy on a level with end-of-SLs-tenure, then I will raise the pitchforks.

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MeanGreenTexan Grand Master

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46 minutes ago, greenminer said:

Dilfer’s “uncomfortable” defensive staff just surrendered 21 2H points and lost.

just win

I don’t see a HC in Morris that looks apathetic. I think he prefers to handle these things behind closed doors.  And I think he knows this kind of defense is not going to win tons of games.

now, if we are losing loads of games and I see apathy on a level with end-of-SLs-tenure, then I will raise the pitchforks.

I definitely don’t think SL was “apathetic”.  I think he wanted to win.  The guys were obviously playing hard for him.

And I don’t know what else he could’ve done defensively.   He basically pulled one of the better DCs we’ve seen in a while, and gave him the keys.  I think we’re 3-1 with a much better fan-feel if PB we’re still running the defense.

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43 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

I definitely don’t think SL was “apathetic”.  I think he wanted to win.  The guys were obviously playing hard for him.

And I don’t know what else he could’ve done defensively.   He basically pulled one of the better DCs we’ve seen in a while, and gave him the keys.  I think we’re 3-1 with a much better fan-feel if PB we’re still running the defense.

I think SL did the very smart thing by hiring PB. He was a proven commodity, very experienced. It was just too little too late at the time

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jtm0097 Grand Master

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I think we will see a different defense this week. The triple option will force more guys in the box. If we decide to not tackle, it's going to be a long game. 

Right now, we run a mix of 3 and 4 man fronts. The triple option will force the defense to hold their gaps and key on certain players. The DTs/LBs will need to wrap up the FB every play. The DEs and OLBs will need to be responsible for the pitchman. Our Safety will need to come down and hit the RBs as soon as they receive the pitch. Here is a good article about defending the triple option.

https://www.bloggersodear.com/2017/10/20/16508088/georgia-tech-wake-forest-paul-johnson-spread-offense-understanding-and-defending-the-triple-option

Side.Show.Joe Grand Master

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14 hours ago, UNTcrazy727 said:

…what exactly are you wanting Morris to do?

His job.

As head coach, it's his responsibility to insure we don't have the worst of anything in all of the FBS. For 5 straight weeks we have endured the worst overall defense in the FBS, No FBS defense is giving up more points, or rushing yards. We are entering the 6th week of the season. Practicing tackling and running a few other defensive looks on the field isn't working (ACU should never be able to score 31 on UNT's defense). It is obvious to everyone paying attention that the 3-3-5 shouldn't be our base defense. Can UNT use it in situations? Sure. But, it isn't working as our standard scheme. 

This season doesn't have to be a loss. Caponi doesn't have to continue as our defensive coordinator. He has failed at the job. Morris needs to reassign him for the rest of the season, and promote or bring in a coach with successful experience as a DC.

Our offense is among the best in college football, and can probably post big numbers on most of the other AAC teams. Unfortunately, our offense is currently preforming double duty as our best defense too, and Morris needs to acknowledge that fact and make the adjustments so that the defense will pull their own weight on this team. Rogers is good at keeping our defense off the field by managing the short passing game and sustaining drives with his feet and our running game. Imagine what this offense could do if they were free to push the tempo and stretch the defenses more. Unfortunately, our lack of defense prevents our offense from being as good as they could be. As long as Morris allows this gameplan to mask the failing of our defense, then he is choosing to shortchange half of his team and the Mean Green fans. I hope I've answered you question.

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3 hours ago, 3_n_out said:

Did you see Dilfer go off on his coaches yesterday? Looked like he got heated coz of a defensive substitution penalty, and he let his defensive coaches have it. Maybe Morris needs to do that. Maybe these coaches need to get uncomfortable so we can see what they have under pressure 

I'm not a fan of Dilfer's behavior yesterday. Sure they made a bad mistake, but making a spectacle of himself in the middle of the game is a bad look for their program. If I'm a recruit or the parent of a recruit, that wouldn't sit well with me. 

I'd never want to see Morris berate coaches or players on the sideline like that. In my opinion, Morris should have dealt with Caponi during the bye week. But as we can see from the defensive performance last night, he did not. 

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5 minutes ago, Side.Show.Joe said:

His job.

As head coach, it's his responsibility to insure we don't have the worst of anything in all of the FBS. For 5 straight weeks we have endured the worst overall defense in the FBS, No FBS defense is giving up more points, or rushing yards. We are entering the 6th week of the season. Practicing tackling and running a few other defensive looks on the field isn't working (ACU should never be able to score 31 on UNT's defense). It is obvious to everyone paying attention that the 3-3-5 shouldn't be our base defense. Can UNT use it in situations? Sure. But, it isn't working as our standard scheme. 

This season doesn't have to be a loss. Caponi doesn't have to continue as our defensive coordinator. He has failed at the job. Morris needs to reassign him for the rest of the season, and promote or bring in a coach with successful experience as a DC.

Our offense is among the best in college football, and can probably post big numbers on most of the other AAC teams. Unfortunately, our offense is currently preforming double duty as our best defense too, and Morris needs to acknowledge that fact and make the adjustments so that the defense will pull their own weight on this team. Rogers is good at keeping our defense off the field by managing the short passing game and sustaining drives with his feet and our running game. Imagine what this offense could do if they were free to push the tempo and stretch the defenses more. Unfortunately, our lack of defense prevents our offense from being as good as they could be. As long as Morris allows this gameplan to mask the failing of our defense, then he is choosing to shortchange half of his team and the Mean Green fans. I hope I've answered you question.

My observation last night was that neither of our lines were doing a very good job. Our DL got handled and just generally pushed around (lots of running yards up the middle). And our OL did not push their DL around too much. When it came to going purely up the middle. We didn't do very well. 

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8 minutes ago, Side.Show.Joe said:

His job.

As head coach, it's his responsibility to insure we don't have the worst of anything in all of the FBS. For 5 straight weeks we have endured the worst overall defense in the FBS, No FBS defense is giving up more points, or rushing yards. We are entering the 6th week of the season. Practicing tackling and running a few other defensive looks on the field isn't working (ACU should never be able to score 31 on UNT's defense). It is obvious to everyone paying attention that the 3-3-5 shouldn't be our base defense. Can UNT use it in situations? Sure. But, it isn't working as our standard scheme. 

This season doesn't have to be a loss. Caponi doesn't have to continue as our defensive coordinator. He has failed at the job. Morris needs to reassign him for the rest of the season, and promote or bring in a coach with successful experience as a DC.

Our offense is among the best in college football, and can probably post big numbers on most of the other AAC teams. Unfortunately, our offense is currently preforming double duty as our best defense too, and Morris needs to acknowledge that fact and make the adjustments so that the defense will pull their own weight on this team. Rogers is good at keeping our defense off the field by managing the short passing game and sustaining drives with his feet and our running game. Imagine what this offense could do if they were free to push the tempo and stretch the defenses more. Unfortunately, our lack of defense prevents our offense from being as good as they could be. As long as Morris allows this gameplan to mask the failing of our defense, then he is choosing to shortchange half of his team and the Mean Green fans. I hope I've answered you question. 

There is no magical change Morris can do that will make this defense solid. Firing Caponi isn’t going to help the defense start playing better. Morris brought Caponi here to run the 3-3-5. He’s not going to fire him until he has the personal to properly run the defense. They’re obviously trying different looks to switch things up. We’ve run way more 4 man fronts the last 2 games, but still getting gashed. We just don’t have enough FBS caliber players on defense. No defensive scheme is going to change that. 

Ranting that heads should already be rolling after a few games is just typical illogical fan behavior. 

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