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I went back to look at some things from when we joined the SBC in 2001. Because that is when we started playing in a conference we could compete in and we began making headway with students and alumni of that era. But I also wanted to see how who we have beaten to try and see what our records have been against teams people have heard of and care about. 

Our record since 2001 is 109 and 163, .401 winning percentage.

Of those 109 wins, 99 are against FBS teams. We have 10 wins against Middle Tennessee, 7 versus Rice, 7 versus UTEP, 6 against Louisiana-Lafayette, 6 against Florida Atlantic, 5 against Florida International, 5 against Idaho, 5 against Louisiana-Monroe, 5 against Western Kentucky, 5 against Southern Miss, 5 against UTSA, 4 against Arkansas State, 4 against NMSU, 3 against SMU, 3 against La Tech, 2 against Utah State, 2 against Troy, 2 against Ball State, and 2 over Army. Single wins over Cincy, Baylor, Indiana, South Alabama, Tulsa, UNLV, Marshall, UAB, ODU, Arkansas, and Liberty. Our FBS record has been 99-162, a .379 winning percentage. We are 10-1 versus FCS.

Against teams that are currently Power Schools (not SMU), we have won 4 games, with wins over Cincy in the NO Bowl, Baylor and Indiana here in Denton, and at Arkansas.

Against FBS Texas teams in that span, we are 0-2 against TCU, 0-1 versus Texas Tech, 0-4 against Texas, 1-1 against Baylor, 3-8 against SMU, 0-3 against UH, 7-5 against Rice, 7-3 against UTEP, and 5-6 against UTSA. 23-33 (.411) against FBS Texas teams since '01. 

Conference record vs SBC and CUSA was 82-85 between 2001-2022. Obviously, we have found conferences that we have been competitive in, for the most part. Hoping the AAC will show to be that way, too, over the next decade or so. 

 

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When did we introduce the diving eagle logo?  I think that's when it all started to fall apart.  We somehow created an athletic spirit mark, logo, whatever with an aspect ratio that just doesn't work on football helmets IMHO.  It either has to be tilted slightly which makes it look wonky, minimized so it's barely recognizable or enlarged so we only show the tips of the wing and tail feathers.  Or it's connected to UNT, North Texas or Mean Green so people know what it's for and frankly looks even worse.  And for the love of God can we please not put the state of Texas on our helmets (with a miniature eagle BTW).  It isn't necessary and looks high schoolish.  It's not like we're Rutgers where no one knows where it is...it's in our name, North Texas.

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37 minutes ago, keith said:

When did we introduce the diving eagle logo?  I think that's when it all started to fall apart.  We somehow created an athletic spirit mark, logo, whatever with an aspect ratio that just doesn't work on football helmets IMHO.  It either has to be tilted slightly which makes it look wonky, minimized so it's barely recognizable or enlarged so we only show the tips of the wing and tail feathers.  Or it's connected to UNT, North Texas or Mean Green so people know what it's for and frankly looks even worse.  And for the love of God can we please not put the state of Texas on our helmets (with a miniature eagle BTW).  It isn't necessary and looks high schoolish.  It's not like we're Rutgers where no one knows where it is...it's in our name, North Texas.

A large part of why we're in this situation and may never get out is due to the Al Hurley administration that lasted from 1982-2002.  The wheels were wobbling a little before this due to various factors that were affecting many FB programs.  While SMU was about to be given the death penalty, we were in the process of committing suicide due to actions by the administration.

By the time we were forced to move back to FBS (or shut down the program), we had let our facilities degrade and significantly harmed our reputation regarding athletics.  Many of us kept thinking that if we just got admin support, improved facilities, etc. we'd revive the program.  There actually may have been a chance, but, of course, we had to top all of this off by making bad coaching hires, exacerbated by unnecessary extensions.

Regarding the diving eagle.  At least it was an improvement over the ridiculous eagle and script used from 95-13

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On 9/12/2023 at 2:29 PM, untjim1995 said:

I went back to look at some things from when we joined the SBC in 2001. Because that is when we started playing in a conference we could compete in and we began making headway with students and alumni of that era. But I also wanted to see how who we have beaten to try and see what our records have been against teams people have heard of and care about. 

Our record since 2001 is 109 and 163, .401 winning percentage.

Of those 109 wins, 99 are against FBS teams. We have 10 wins against Middle Tennessee, 7 versus Rice, 7 versus UTEP, 6 against Louisiana-Lafayette, 6 against Florida Atlantic, 5 against Florida International, 5 against Idaho, 5 against Louisiana-Monroe, 5 against Western Kentucky, 5 against Southern Miss, 5 against UTSA, 4 against Arkansas State, 4 against NMSU, 3 against SMU, 3 against La Tech, 2 against Utah State, 2 against Troy, 2 against Ball State, and 2 over Army. Single wins over Cincy, Baylor, Indiana, South Alabama, Tulsa, UNLV, Marshall, UAB, ODU, Arkansas, and Liberty. Our FBS record has been 99-162, a .379 winning percentage. We are 10-1 versus FCS.

Against teams that are currently Power Schools (not SMU), we have won 4 games, with wins over Cincy in the NO Bowl, Baylor and Indiana here in Denton, and at Arkansas.

Against FBS Texas teams in that span, we are 0-2 against TCU, 0-1 versus Texas Tech, 0-4 against Texas, 1-1 against Baylor, 3-8 against SMU, 0-3 against UH, 7-5 against Rice, 7-3 against UTEP, and 5-6 against UTSA. 23-33 (.411) against FBS Texas teams since '01. 

Conference record vs SBC and CUSA was 82-85 between 2001-2022. Obviously, we have found conferences that we have been competitive in, for the most part. Hoping the AAC will show to be that way, too, over the next decade or so. 

 

Amazing stat pull here and thank you.  Essentially, we have been .500 against our “level of competition” and not sure why we should have any different expectations.   The facilities and brand are on a good strategic path, but that’s a lot of history to look at as it relates to on the field football performance.  I hope the AAC media revenue will help push the bar, but there is no guarantee.  

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On 9/12/2023 at 4:18 PM, meaniegreenie said:

A large part of why we're in this situation and may never get out is due to the Al Hurley administration that lasted from 1982-2002.  The wheels were wobbling a little before this due to various factors that were affecting many FB programs.  While SMU was about to be given the death penalty, we were in the process of committing suicide due to actions by the administration.

By the time we were forced to move back to FBS (or shut down the program), we had let our facilities degrade and significantly harmed our reputation regarding athletics.  Many of us kept thinking that if we just got admin support, improved facilities, etc. we'd revive the program.  There actually may have been a chance, but, of course, we had to top all of this off by making bad coaching hires, exacerbated by unnecessary extensions.

Regarding the diving eagle.  At least it was an improvement over the ridiculous eagle and script used from 95-13

It takes decades to build a legitimate athletic program/ brand and UNT has failed in many decades to commit and the current school admin and city of Denton leaders are finally on board. Still a lot to navigate and probably the biggest rock is the Booster’s trust and willingness.

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On 9/12/2023 at 2:29 PM, untjim1995 said:

Against teams that are currently Power Schools (not SMU), we have won 4 games, with wins over Cincy in the NO Bowl, Baylor and Indiana here in Denton, and at Arkansas.

Against FBS Texas teams in that span, we are 0-2 against TCU, 0-1 versus Texas Tech, 0-4 against Texas, 1-1 against Baylor, 3-8 against SMU, 0-3 against UH, 7-5 against Rice, 7-3 against UTEP, and 5-6 against UTSA. 23-33 (.411) against FBS Texas teams since '01. 

Great stats @untjim1995

Very telling....  to win support you have to win big games.  The Cal performance was just another example, and again even if you lose that game if you make it a ball game you can build...

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On 9/12/2023 at 2:29 PM, untjim1995 said:

I went back to look at some things from when we joined the SBC in 2001. Because that is when we started playing in a conference we could compete in and we began making headway with students and alumni of that era. But I also wanted to see how who we have beaten to try and see what our records have been against teams people have heard of and care about. 

Our record since 2001 is 109 and 163, .401 winning percentage.

Of those 109 wins, 99 are against FBS teams. We have 10 wins against Middle Tennessee, 7 versus Rice, 7 versus UTEP, 6 against Louisiana-Lafayette, 6 against Florida Atlantic, 5 against Florida International, 5 against Idaho, 5 against Louisiana-Monroe, 5 against Western Kentucky, 5 against Southern Miss, 5 against UTSA, 4 against Arkansas State, 4 against NMSU, 3 against SMU, 3 against La Tech, 2 against Utah State, 2 against Troy, 2 against Ball State, and 2 over Army. Single wins over Cincy, Baylor, Indiana, South Alabama, Tulsa, UNLV, Marshall, UAB, ODU, Arkansas, and Liberty. Our FBS record has been 99-162, a .379 winning percentage. We are 10-1 versus FCS.

Against teams that are currently Power Schools (not SMU), we have won 4 games, with wins over Cincy in the NO Bowl, Baylor and Indiana here in Denton, and at Arkansas.

Against FBS Texas teams in that span, we are 0-2 against TCU, 0-1 versus Texas Tech, 0-4 against Texas, 1-1 against Baylor, 3-8 against SMU, 0-3 against UH, 7-5 against Rice, 7-3 against UTEP, and 5-6 against UTSA. 23-33 (.411) against FBS Texas teams since '01. 

Conference record vs SBC and CUSA was 82-85 between 2001-2022. Obviously, we have found conferences that we have been competitive in, for the most part. Hoping the AAC will show to be that way, too, over the next decade or so. 

 

Great stats @untjim1995

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On 9/12/2023 at 4:18 PM, meaniegreenie said:

A large part of why we're in this situation and may never get out is due to the Al Hurley administration that lasted from 1982-2002.  The wheels were wobbling a little before this due to various factors that were affecting many FB programs.  While SMU was about to be given the death penalty, we were in the process of committing suicide due to actions by the administration.

By the time we were forced to move back to FBS (or shut down the program), we had let our facilities degrade and significantly harmed our reputation regarding athletics.  Many of us kept thinking that if we just got admin support, improved facilities, etc. we'd revive the program.  There actually may have been a chance, but, of course, we had to top all of this off by making bad coaching hires, exacerbated by unnecessary extensions.

Regarding the diving eagle.  At least it was an improvement over the ridiculous eagle and script used from 95-13

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On 9/12/2023 at 4:12 PM, keith said:

When did we introduce the diving eagle logo?  I think that's when it all started to fall apart.

Everybody knows things began to fall apart when Scrappy changed his name to Eppy to hide from his child support obligations. I was glad when his youngest turned 18 in 1995.

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On 9/14/2023 at 10:50 AM, BFraz said:

Essentially, we have been .500 against our “level of competition” and not sure why we should have any different expectations

🤦🏽‍♂️ “essentially” that means Not  0.500.  If we get to just over 0.500 vs programs newer to FBS than we are then you might have a legitimate question about our expectations.  Then you factor in being 1-4 against UAB AFTER they shutdown their program for 2 years that 82-85 looks even worse.  There is no way a program that has been paying their head coaches near the top salary in their conference most of the time and in new facilities shouldn’t have expectations to be 10 games over 0.500 in a span of over 160 games.  Then you have people on this board 💩 all over Dickey’s 3+ season dominance of the Sun Belt yet questioning the firing of Littrel & staff?   If your expectation is to be just below mediocre, what is the fun in following Mean Green Football.  Hell I don’t expect bottom of the top 25 ranking every year but I think 9 win seasons and bowl game wins shouldn’t be once a decade occurrences.   If most people supporting or leading program genuinely believe that Seth’s production should be the standard here, I would rather they dropped to FCS and make my game day experience cheaper.   

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But we are consistently bad so maybe FCS and startup programs are actually our appropriate level of competition and we should include them? 

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