Wren Baker

[UNTcrazy727]

I agree, Wren should have fired Littrell after the 1-5 start in 2021, but spare me the BS that last night was his fault. Morris took over a 7-7 program that had a good amount of talent coming back and somehow has sunk us to the depths of the Dodge era in one offseason. 

Edited September 10, 2023 by UNTcrazy727

[NorthTexasWeLove]

26 minutes ago, PlummMeanGreen said:

Fluff?  I just find it stranger than hell  that grown (supposed educated) men want to replace a UNT HFC after only 2 games. That’s all. 
 

Yes, that previous post was fluff. 

2 games? Can you not see what is to come? 

[SilverEagle]

3 hours ago, NorthTexasSportsNetwork said:

Unfortunately agree and if we had Aune at QB, we would’ve also won lol. Sucks to say that

OK, lets get real here. If you are going to say "if we had Aune at QB", you also have to include all the other players who started on the team with him that have since taken a NIL bus ride to other schools.  Aune would not have prevented FIU from hanging 500 yards on us.  

[meangreen11]

8 minutes ago, SilverEagle said:

Aune would not have prevented FIU from hanging 500 yards on us.  

Yes 👍🏻 

[p_phelps]

11 hours ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Baker didnt hire Morris (and probably wouldn’t have).    True, we should have gone through the breaking-in of a new coach last year, but this hire is on Mosley.

he didn't fire seth so its on him. by the time seth was fired, lots of coaches arready hired, portal window ended. typical NT stuff

[SilverEagle]

A little perspective here.  Hayden Frys first year. He went 5-5-1 and tied for the MVC championship. BUT he lost to UT-Arlington, and Memphis in the first two games.

G	Date	Day	School		Opponent	Conf		Pts	Opp	W	L	T	Streak	Notes
1	Sep 8, 1973	Sat	North Texas	N	Texas-Arlington	Ind	L	7	31	0	1	0	L 1
2	Sep 15, 1973	Sat	North Texas	@	Memphis	Ind	L	3	24	0	2	0	L 2
3	Sep 22, 1973	Sat	North Texas		West Texas State	MVC	W	32	15	1	2	0	W 1
4	Sep 29, 1973	Sat	North Texas		Long Beach State	PCAA	T	0	0	1	2	1	T 1
5	Oct 13, 1973	Sat	North Texas		Louisville	MVC	W	7	6	2	2	1	W 1
6	Oct 20, 1973	Sat	North Texas		Drake	MVC	W	19	7	3	2	1	W 2
7	Oct 27, 1973	Sat	North Texas	@	New Mexico State	MVC	W	27	7	4	2	1	W 3
8	Nov 3, 1973	Sat	North Texas	@	Cincinnati	Ind	L	3	52	4	3	1	L 1
9	Nov 10, 1973	Sat	North Texas		Wichita State	MVC	W	31	21	5	3	1	W 1
10	Nov 17, 1973	Sat	North Texas		Tulsa	MVC	L	15	24	5	4	1	L 1
11	Nov 24, 1973	Sat	North Texas	@	San Diego State	PCAA	L	9	56	5	5	1	L 2

He tanked the next year with three losses to begin the year. The third one was to LAMAR. He finished up the year losing to West Texas State ( now WT A&M) and Long Beach State. 

G	Date	Day	School		Opponent	Conf		Pts	Opp	W	L	T	Streak	Notes
1	Sep 14, 1974	Sat	North Texas	N	SMU	SWC	L	6	7	0	1	0	L 1
2	Sep 21, 1974	Sat	North Texas	@	Tulsa	MVC	L	6	31	0	2	0	L 2
3	Sep 28, 1974	Sat	North Texas		Lamar	Ind	L	7	27	0	3	0	L 3
4	Oct 5, 1974	Sat	North Texas	@	Drake	MVC	T	24	24	0	3	1	T 1
5	Oct 12, 1974	Sat	North Texas		Louisville	MVC	L	10	24	0	4	1	L 1
6	Oct 19, 1974	Sat	North Texas		New Mexico State	MVC	W	24	19	1	4	1	W 1
7	Oct 26, 1974	Sat	North Texas		Memphis	Ind	L	0	41	1	5	1	L 1
8	Nov 2, 1974	Sat	North Texas		(20) San Diego State	PCAA	W	14	9	2	5	1	W 1
9	Nov 9, 1974	Sat	North Texas	@	Wichita State	MVC	T	10	10	2	5	2	T 1
10	Nov 16, 1974	Sat	North Texas	@	West Texas State	MVC	L	14	21	2	6	2	L 1
11	Nov 23, 1974	Sat	North Texas		Long Beach State	PCAA	L	19	35	2	7	2	L 2

[p_phelps]

10 minutes ago, SilverEagle said:

A little perspective here.  Hayden Frys first year. He went 5-5-1 and tied for the MVC championship. BUT he lost to UT-Arlington, and Memphis in the first two games.

G	Date	Day	School		Opponent	Conf		Pts	Opp	W	L	T	Streak	Notes
1	Sep 8, 1973	Sat	North Texas	N	Texas-Arlington	Ind	L	7	31	0	1	0	L 1
2	Sep 15, 1973	Sat	North Texas	@	Memphis	Ind	L	3	24	0	2	0	L 2
3	Sep 22, 1973	Sat	North Texas		West Texas State	MVC	W	32	15	1	2	0	W 1
4	Sep 29, 1973	Sat	North Texas		Long Beach State	PCAA	T	0	0	1	2	1	T 1
5	Oct 13, 1973	Sat	North Texas		Louisville	MVC	W	7	6	2	2	1	W 1
6	Oct 20, 1973	Sat	North Texas		Drake	MVC	W	19	7	3	2	1	W 2
7	Oct 27, 1973	Sat	North Texas	@	New Mexico State	MVC	W	27	7	4	2	1	W 3
8	Nov 3, 1973	Sat	North Texas	@	Cincinnati	Ind	L	3	52	4	3	1	L 1
9	Nov 10, 1973	Sat	North Texas		Wichita State	MVC	W	31	21	5	3	1	W 1
10	Nov 17, 1973	Sat	North Texas		Tulsa	MVC	L	15	24	5	4	1	L 1
11	Nov 24, 1973	Sat	North Texas	@	San Diego State	PCAA	L	9	56	5	5	1	L 2

He tanked the next year with three losses to begin the year. The third one was to LAMAR. He finished up the year losing to West Texas State ( now WT A&M) and Long Beach State. 

G	Date	Day	School		Opponent	Conf		Pts	Opp	W	L	T	Streak	Notes
1	Sep 14, 1974	Sat	North Texas	N	SMU	SWC	L	6	7	0	1	0	L 1
2	Sep 21, 1974	Sat	North Texas	@	Tulsa	MVC	L	6	31	0	2	0	L 2
3	Sep 28, 1974	Sat	North Texas		Lamar	Ind	L	7	27	0	3	0	L 3
4	Oct 5, 1974	Sat	North Texas	@	Drake	MVC	T	24	24	0	3	1	T 1
5	Oct 12, 1974	Sat	North Texas		Louisville	MVC	L	10	24	0	4	1	L 1
6	Oct 19, 1974	Sat	North Texas		New Mexico State	MVC	W	24	19	1	4	1	W 1
7	Oct 26, 1974	Sat	North Texas		Memphis	Ind	L	0	41	1	5	1	L 1
8	Nov 2, 1974	Sat	North Texas		(20) San Diego State	PCAA	W	14	9	2	5	1	W 1
9	Nov 9, 1974	Sat	North Texas	@	Wichita State	MVC	T	10	10	2	5	2	T 1
10	Nov 16, 1974	Sat	North Texas	@	West Texas State	MVC	L	14	21	2	6	2	L 1
11	Nov 23, 1974	Sat	North Texas		Long Beach State	PCAA	L	19	35	2	7	2	L 2

this isn't 1965, fry also didn't take over a team in the conference championship  the previous year. The portal has changed college football and allowed turn arounds over night. We somehow have gotten significantly worse.  We were told the cupboard wasn't bare, the offensive scheme wasn't that different. Morris is a bad hire at this point, which sucks because I thought he was the right guy.

[SilverEagle]

1 minute ago, p_phelps said:

this isn't 1965, fry also didn't take over a team in the conference championship  the previous year. The portal has changed college football and allowed turn arounds over night. We somehow have gotten significantly worse.  We were told the cupboard wasn't bare, the offensive scheme wasn't that different. Morris is a bad hire at this point, which sucks because I thought he was the right guy.

It was 1973 and 74.  And Fry had been a successful HEAD COACH at SMU before the 73 and 74 seasons.  My point is that even "legendary" coaches who eventually took a historically losing program to the Rose Bowl can struggle when they take over a new job.

[p_phelps]

8 minutes ago, SilverEagle said:

It was 1973 and 74.  And Fry had been a successful HEAD COACH at SMU before the 73 and 74 seasons.  My point is that even "legendary" coaches who eventually took a historically losing program to the Rose Bowl can struggle when they take over a new job.

my point is this is apples and oranges. your talking about college football 50 years ago. Might as well be a different sport. and Fry also fry took over one of the worst football programs in the nation Record: 1-10 (125th of 127).  Morris didn't do that. There's really no excuse .  Wren screwed us by letting seth hang around when he should have been fired after 1-6

Edited September 10, 2023 by p_phelps

[SilverEagle]

4 minutes ago, p_phelps said:

my point is this is apples and oranges. your talking about college football 50 years ago. Might as well be a different sport. and Fry also fry took over one of the worst football programs in the nation Record: 1-10 (125th of 127).  Morris didn't do that. There's really no excuse . 

Apples and Oranges? You mean we don't play "11 man tackle" anymore? 

[Green Lantern]

21 minutes ago, p_phelps said:

my point is this is apples and oranges. your talking about college football 50 years ago. Might as well be a different sport. and Fry also fry took over one of the worst football programs in the nation Record: 1-10 (125th of 127).  Morris didn't do that. There's really no excuse . 

Morris himself said this roster wasn’t broken. There are clearly talent/player fit issues on the defensive side of the ball to run this 3-3-5. Why wasn’t that addressed in the portal? 
 

How can Tx State load up in 1 season but we can’t? Did everyone see how big and physical that team is? They matched up nicely with UTSA’s roster - which always dwarfs us physically. Again - why can’t WE figure it out? The excuses are beyond tiresome.

Edited September 10, 2023 by Green Lantern

[KingDL1]

1 minute ago, p_phelps said:

my point is this is apples and oranges. your talking about college football 50 years ago. Might as well be a different sport. and Fry also fry took over one of the worst football programs in the nation Record: 1-10 (125th of 127).  Morris didn't do that. There's really no excuse . 

Really, that is so not true. Did you see how bad the portal hammered us? FIU looked big next to us. Who recruited most of our current players? 

I would say that an earlier hire last year would have made an enormous difference. We had an easy schedule last year and SMU could have easily hung another 14 points on us. We didn't play last year's FIU last night I have no idea what has changed and developed there but I know we lost many of our best players to the portal and graduation. 

[p_phelps]

3 minutes ago, SilverEagle said:

Apples and Oranges? You mean we don't play "11 man tackle" anymore? 

If you can't see that football, especially roster building is completely different from 50 years ago then there's no helping you. 

[p_phelps]

1 minute ago, KingDL1 said:

Really, that is so not true. Did you see how bad the portal hammered us? FIU looked big next to us. Who recruited most of our current players? 

I would say that an earlier hire last year would have made an enormous difference. We had an easy schedule last year and SMU could have easily hung another 14 points on us. We didn't play last year's FIU last night I have no idea what has changed and developed there but I know we lost many of our best players to the portal and graduation. 

You made my point? This is on morris and wren. Texas state got like 50 transfers. really we lost 3 starters to the portal from defense. we didn't get depleted by the portal. We were weak on defense and did NOTHING to fix it is the problem. 

[SilverEagle]

4 minutes ago, p_phelps said:

If you can't see that football, especially roster building is completely different from 50 years ago then there's no helping you. 

Help me in what way? Learn how to become a drama King when I don't get immediate gratification?

Edited September 10, 2023 by SilverEagle

[p_phelps]

Just now, SilverEagle said:

Help me in what way? Become a drama King when I don't get immediate gratification?

You're part of the problem then why seth wasn't fired after 1-6 with your mindset. RICE and TX state have passed us. We are the worst FBS team in texas now.  I have no idea how this is okay to you. Maybe your mindset is why we have been bad at football for most of our existence 

[KingDL1]

Just now, p_phelps said:

You made my point? This is on morris and wren. Texas state got like 50 transfers. really we lost 3 starters to the portal from defense. we didn't get depleted by the portal. We were weak on defense and did NOTHING to fix it is the problem. 

There is a bit more to that story, like having NIL funding and more. I think we handicapped ourselves in many ways. I wanted us to fire/hire much earlier in the season if not the year before. And to keep seth we would have had to extend his contract, which was a big NO.  I am not ready after two games to hang a brand new coach. And to what end? 

My point was we were far from a powerhouse last year.  

[p_phelps]

2 minutes ago, KingDL1 said:

There is a bit more to that story, like having NIL funding and more. I think we handicapped ourselves in many ways. I wanted us to fire/hire much earlier in the season if not the year before. And to keep seth we would have had to extend his contract, which was a big NO.  I am not ready after two games to hang a brand new coach. And to what end? 

My point was we were far from a powerhouse last year.  

agreed, I hope morris can turn it around. I thought he would win 8 games so I was wrong. NIL is another failure, if Tx state has more NIL money that's another issue entirely. 

[KingDL1]

1 minute ago, p_phelps said:

I thought he would win 8 games so I was wrong. 

I was really hoping also, but I felt there was a reality floating in the background that scared the shit out of me. 

[SilverEagle]

9 minutes ago, p_phelps said:

You're part of the problem then why seth wasn't fired after 1-6 with your mindset. RICE and TX state have passed us. We are the worst FBS team in texas now.  I have no idea how this is okay to you. Maybe your mindset is why we have been bad at football for most of our existence 

My mindset? .......🤣

[UNTcrazy727]

14 minutes ago, KingDL1 said:

Really, that is so not true. Did you see how bad the portal hammered us? FIU looked big next to us. Who recruited most of our current players? 

I would say that an earlier hire last year would have made an enormous difference. We had an easy schedule last year and SMU could have easily hung another 14 points on us. We didn't play last year's FIU last night I have no idea what has changed and developed there but I know we lost many of our best players to the portal and graduation. 

FIU lost more to the portal than we did. They are arguably worse than last year. 

The blaming of Baker in this thread is comical. The fact is our coaching staff has been a massive failure so far and deserves all the blame. Wren didn’t force Morris to start Earle or go with a defensive scheme that everyone questioned from the start. Our staff had time to retool through the portal. They just chose not to. It was a total misevaluation of how our current roster would fit their schemes. 

[p_phelps]

2 minutes ago, SilverEagle said:

My mindset? .......🤣

yeah, old mindset. You're comparing morris to freaking Fry. the most popular offense was the vere. We have the portal and legally pay players now days. Your argument is out of touch 

[KingDL1]

1 minute ago, UNTcrazy727 said:

FIU lost more to the portal than we did. They are arguably worse than last year. 

The blaming of Baker in this thread is comical. The fact is our coaching staff has been a massive failure so far and deserves all the blame. Wren didn’t force Morris to start Earle or go with a defensive scheme that everyone questioned from the start. Our staff had time to retool through the portal. They just chose not to. It was a total misevaluation of how our current roster would fit their schemes. 

Really? If Wren had made a proper decision, we would have had time for a proper search. Instead, he found a way out and left us holding the bag. So, instead of doing a proper search for a coach, we were behind the ball and had to figure out a new AD also. Amazingly bad timing. 

 

[jtm0097]

My thoughts from this argument over Wren Baker and Hayden Fry.

[NorthTexasWeLove]

1 hour ago, SilverEagle said:

A little perspective here.  Hayden Frys first year. He went 5-5-1 and tied for the MVC championship. BUT he lost to UT-Arlington, and Memphis in the first two games.

G	Date	Day	School		Opponent	Conf		Pts	Opp	W	L	T	Streak	Notes
1	Sep 8, 1973	Sat	North Texas	N	Texas-Arlington	Ind	L	7	31	0	1	0	L 1
2	Sep 15, 1973	Sat	North Texas	@	Memphis	Ind	L	3	24	0	2	0	L 2
3	Sep 22, 1973	Sat	North Texas		West Texas State	MVC	W	32	15	1	2	0	W 1
4	Sep 29, 1973	Sat	North Texas		Long Beach State	PCAA	T	0	0	1	2	1	T 1
5	Oct 13, 1973	Sat	North Texas		Louisville	MVC	W	7	6	2	2	1	W 1
6	Oct 20, 1973	Sat	North Texas		Drake	MVC	W	19	7	3	2	1	W 2
7	Oct 27, 1973	Sat	North Texas	@	New Mexico State	MVC	W	27	7	4	2	1	W 3
8	Nov 3, 1973	Sat	North Texas	@	Cincinnati	Ind	L	3	52	4	3	1	L 1
9	Nov 10, 1973	Sat	North Texas		Wichita State	MVC	W	31	21	5	3	1	W 1
10	Nov 17, 1973	Sat	North Texas		Tulsa	MVC	L	15	24	5	4	1	L 1
11	Nov 24, 1973	Sat	North Texas	@	San Diego State	PCAA	L	9	56	5	5	1	L 2

He tanked the next year with three losses to begin the year. The third one was to LAMAR. He finished up the year losing to West Texas State ( now WT A&M) and Long Beach State. 

G	Date	Day	School		Opponent	Conf		Pts	Opp	W	L	T	Streak	Notes
1	Sep 14, 1974	Sat	North Texas	N	SMU	SWC	L	6	7	0	1	0	L 1
2	Sep 21, 1974	Sat	North Texas	@	Tulsa	MVC	L	6	31	0	2	0	L 2
3	Sep 28, 1974	Sat	North Texas		Lamar	Ind	L	7	27	0	3	0	L 3
4	Oct 5, 1974	Sat	North Texas	@	Drake	MVC	T	24	24	0	3	1	T 1
5	Oct 12, 1974	Sat	North Texas		Louisville	MVC	L	10	24	0	4	1	L 1
6	Oct 19, 1974	Sat	North Texas		New Mexico State	MVC	W	24	19	1	4	1	W 1
7	Oct 26, 1974	Sat	North Texas		Memphis	Ind	L	0	41	1	5	1	L 1
8	Nov 2, 1974	Sat	North Texas		(20) San Diego State	PCAA	W	14	9	2	5	1	W 1
9	Nov 9, 1974	Sat	North Texas	@	Wichita State	MVC	T	10	10	2	5	2	T 1
10	Nov 16, 1974	Sat	North Texas	@	West Texas State	MVC	L	14	21	2	6	2	L 1
11	Nov 23, 1974	Sat	North Texas		Long Beach State	PCAA	L	19	35	2	7	2	L 2

Fluff. 

This comparison is moot.