If you think winning doesn’t matter…

[untphd]

2 hours ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

That is 100% about the student we attract then allow in. That has to be fixed. Too many commuters, too many liberal arts. Too many anime type people. 

We are not vetting our students based on their full profile. This is why colleges used to want to see HS involvement on college applications: Sports, languages, student council, FFA, Band, etc etc. Be a part of everything that interests you. Just observing our students, its certainly not like that at UNT. And it hasn't been for some time, if ever. 

Been saying this for years.

[UNTLifer]

28 minutes ago, untphd said:

Been saying this for years.

You mean the co-ed with the pink and blue hair, tatted up and the nose piercing handing out maps on Saturday didn't come into the game after her shift ended?

[NorthTexasWeLove]

2 hours ago, untjim1995 said:

UNT has never done this, as you mentioned...and they never will. The university uses Fine Arts and Music as its primary window to the university. Always has, along with providing a value to commuters and working students. The Denton voices in the community would wail for years if they changed this view to what you mentioned above. Of course, the problem for guys like us is that we like sports, especially football and basketball. And the university and town don't show us that they place a value on this, at least anywhere near what would make guys like us want to fund stuff, from as little as season tickets and MGSF donors, to being a UNT 17 level donor.

The 1-AA debacle back in the 80's and 90's literally nuked any meager following we did have. It killed off potentially big donors that should be funding buildings and scholarships at a level at least in the ballpark of what UH has. When we came back to 1-A in 1995, we did it because the powers-at-be saw that by whoring out our money programs, we could make more money. Once we built Apogee, we at least signaled we wanted to have a football program at this level of play. And those money games have basically dropped to a level that is acceptable for a G5 program. But none of that helps you with recruiting players and hiring coaches who know our history of apathy and bare minimums of support. Ask TX HS coaches about UNT Football--that alone answers a lot of questions. And then ask them about UTSA...and I'm truly afraid that Texas State is ready to step up in their eyes, too.

This is also so true. We know we're trapped in quicksand with a thimble to scoop it out with. What's the point in even scooping? 

[untphd]

42 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

You mean the co-ed with the pink and blue hair, tatted up and the nose piercing handing out maps on Saturday didn't come into the game after her shift ended?

I thought I saw her drinking beer with you.

[UNTLifer]

1 minute ago, untphd said:

I thought I saw her drinking beer with you.

She was a light weight.

Edited September 6, 2023 by UNTLifer