ACC officially invites Cal, Stanford and SMU

rcade · September 1, 2023

3 hours ago, GMG_Dallas said:

I'm moreso pointing out the desperation to feel included. I keep seeing smu fans say you do anything to not be left behind but at some point you have to step outside your circle and see how sad the situation is. Taking less for a few years to move up is understandable. Taking nothing for nearly a decade is laughable. It effectively shows the world you have no value and you know it. I don't need to pay for friends so maybe that's why I don't understand.

Even after the nine years they don't get an equal share. It rises gradually over time after that.

I think SMU fans are underestimating the reputational effect of agreeing to be the least worthy member of their conference. Being in the P5 means getting fed at TV rights time and they will be stuck at the kid's table for a long time.

GMG_Dallas · September 1, 2023

Just now, rcade said:

Even after the nine years they don't get an equal share. It rises gradually over time after that.

I think SMU fans are underestimating the reputational effect of agreeing to be the least worthy member of their conference. Being in the P5 means getting fed at TV rights time and they will be stuck at the kid's table for a long time.

Yup. I said it weeks ago. If the TV networks don't have to pay for SMU for 9 years then what makes them think they'll pay them the ACC rate after that? SMU's value to the networks is what they're getting in the AAC, not what the ACC wants to be paid in their new deal. They haven't done anything on the field, court, or in the stands to justify the eventual leap in value they think they'll earn like Houston, BYU, Cincinnati, and UCF did. They better hope their NIL does enough to become successful in a tougher league and that the fanbase explodes or it'll all be for nothing and they'll be on the outside looking in when the ACC explodes.

DentonStang · September 1, 2023

13 minutes ago, rcade said:

Even after the nine years they don't get an equal share. It rises gradually over time after that.

I think SMU fans are underestimating the reputational effect of agreeing to be the least worthy member of their conference. Being in the P5 means getting fed at TV rights time and they will be stuck at the kid's table for a long time.

What's the reputational effect of not even being being the least worthy member?

golfingomez · September 1, 2023

I would just like to PRE-say that i am not speaking out of hatred, or un-love for SMU.

What is the benefit of joining a P4 conference if you don't get paid? The chance that you theoretically have a shot at the CFP?

I understand 'profile will be raised', 'better recruits', 'better chance at NCAA tourney(?)'

but what is the real benefit? does SMU benefit from this academically?

NorthTexasWeLove · September 1, 2023

So according to this it will be 9 seasons with 0 TV dollars. I am not sure how they succeed out of this. And at that point, there is 0% chance the ACC will be what it currently is. No shot. Not only are they giving up their TV rights to the AAC 7.5M a year for 9 years (67.5M), they will be paying the AAC 10-25M to exit and then will have to accept fractional shares of what will be a fractional dollar amount of what the current payout is, starting the 2034 season. And keep in mind, all the while draining donor resources. 82.5M estimated lost TV revenue + estimated exit fee going in starting in July of 2024. Then the 10-15 million dollars it will take to run their athletic department for 9 years. That's basically 200M dollars being flushed. All so they can play in what will be a revamped ACC with minimal big brand programs left, if any.

greenminer · September 1, 2023

6 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

So according to this it will be 9 seasons with 0 TV dollars. I am not sure how they succeed out of this. And at that point, there is 0% chance the ACC will be what it currently is. No shot. Not only are they giving up their TV rights to the AAC 7.5M a year for 9 years (67.5M), they will be paying the AAC 10-25M to exit and then will have to accept fractional shares of what will be a fractional dollar amount of what the current payout is, starting the 2034 season. And keep in mind, all the while draining donor resources. 82.5M estimated lost TV revenue + estimated exit fee going in starting in July of 2024. Then the 10-15 million dollars it will take to run their athletic department for 9 years. That's basically 200M dollars being flushed. All so they can play in what will be a revamped ACC with minimal big brand programs left, if any.

*cue SMU trolls that like to remind everyone how rich they are and that they'll afford this.*

NorthTexasWeLove · September 1, 2023

3 minutes ago, greenminer said:

*cue SMU trolls that like to remind everyone how rich they are and that they'll afford this.*

haha. Sure, they might afford this. But the end game, as to what they are actually trying to afford, might very well be all for not.

rcade · September 1, 2023

22 minutes ago, DentonStang said:

What's the reputational effect of not even being being the least worthy member?

If all you want is to not be G5, you've achieved that.

If you want to be seen as being worthy of a place in the P5, you've taken a deal so degrading no other P5 entrant has ever taken it before. UCF, Cincinnati, BYU and Houston are getting full Big 12 shares in 2025 expected to be $30 million a year.

In 2025 you're getting nothing.

The best you can hope for is that other schools follow the precedent SMU has set and lock in this new idea that some P5 schools get paid and others fill a seat -- like at the Oscars when a nobody comes in because an important person needs to pee.

Edited September 1, 2023 by rcade

Green Mean · September 1, 2023

Good for SMU. They were able to pull it off even though I think long term, the CFB landscape is going to be completely different than what it is now. Short term I think it gives SMU a boost and the stadium/arena should fill up regularly. I think they have to win and win big tho because as I previously said I think things are going to lead to a whole new division 1 and a lot of of those current "Power" schools are going to be left behind because let's face it, they don't really move the needle as much as we might think. And again I can see some sort of relegation system like they have in European Soccer years down the line.

NT's task still remains the same. We just have to turn that corner in football(& continue MBB success) and start winning big and consistently. Can you imagine what a T25 ranking would do to the alumni base and the metroplex in general and wins against schools with a big names perception wise? We just haven't gotten to that level but hopefully Eric Morris will be the one to start that in Denton. Reversing apathy & culture is just a really hard thing to do.

GrayEagle · September 1, 2023

4 hours ago, DentonStang said:

Is that the coalition of the willing?

Some complain about having a coach that might get poached. But it beats having a coach no other team would take.

Same here. Potential issues in the future beats being in a conference with only schools nobody wants to poach. (AAC/B12)

What is that Yale graduate doing? SMU join the Ivy League?

DentonLurker · September 1, 2023

Who knew SMU would invent the reverse game guarantee? Instead of someone paying them $1M to come play, they’re going to pay $1M to them to go play.

greenminer · September 1, 2023

Just super weird how this all unfolded. PAC12 unravels, and with the final 4 looking for homes, SMU basically raises their hand and says, "Can we come with Stanford and Cal, too?" With nothing to offer, against tons of better options out there, they were allowed in the room and got approved.

DentonLurker · September 1, 2023

1 minute ago, greenminer said:

With nothing to offer, against tons of better options out there, they were allowed in the room and got approved.

The one thing SMU football has taught me in my lifetime is that they are willing to pay to play. That’s it. That’s the one thing.

rcade · September 1, 2023

SMU's ACC deal is a revenue sharing death penalty.

If the point of the P5 is to rake in obscene TV revenue and spend it like one of the haves while the have-nots fall further behind into irrelevancy, SMU will be earning like a have-not until 2033. By that date all the P5 schools they see as equals will have spent $200 million to $300 million SMU didn't have.

SMU has a talent for falling into deep holes that take decades to escape.

billyboy85 · September 1, 2023

babe something GIF Thank God this is over!

rojomojo · September 1, 2023

Mike is gonna Mike! Don't understand why UNT fans continue to kiss up to this guy

greenminer · September 1, 2023

6 minutes ago, rojomojo said:

Mike is gonna Mike! Don't understand why UNT fans continue to kiss up to this guy

Could it be because he is a massive step up from any other commissioner we've played under...possibly ever?

Edited September 1, 2023 by greenminer

TripleGrad · September 1, 2023

9 minutes ago, rojomojo said:

Mike is gonna Mike! Don't understand why UNT fans continue to kiss up to this guy

It's got to be a tough job to be a G5 Commish. Every team is looking to move on all the time.

Ross Hodgeson · September 1, 2023

32 minutes ago, rcade said:

SMU's ACC deal is a revenue sharing death penalty.

If the point of the P5 is to rake in obscene TV revenue and spend it like one of the haves while the have-nots fall further behind into irrelevancy, SMU will be earning like a have-not until 2033. By that date all the P5 schools they see as equals will have spent $200 million to $300 million SMU didn't have.

SMU has a talent for falling into deep holes that take decades to escape.

I don't think you understand, SMU has and always will have money to burn and so we need to be cognizant of that. They don't play by the rules everyone else plays by.

NT80 · September 1, 2023

4 hours ago, UNTFan23 said:

I'm laughing at schools on the east coast playing a weekday basketball conference game at Cal and Stanford. A 7 PM tipoff on the west coast will be 11 PM on the east coast!

I'm laughing when these ACC programs come to play Smut to see what they bought, and only 25% of the venue has attendance.

rcade · September 1, 2023

1 minute ago, Ross Hodgeson said:

I don't think you understand, SMU has and always will have money to burn and so we need to be cognizant of that. They don't play by the rules everyone else plays by.

SMU money was big in the 1980s before the death penalty.

There's a lot more money in college football today. Is SMU even capable of spending so much more than the big dogs that they catch up without TV revenue? Their collective got a lot of hype for the first deal to pay all the athletes, but today they're not in the top 20.

NT80 · September 1, 2023

11 minutes ago, rcade said:

SMU money was big in the 1980s before the death penalty.

There's a lot more money in college football today. Is SMU even capable of spending so much more than the big dogs that they catch up without TV revenue? Their collective got a lot of hype for the first deal to pay all the athletes, but today they're not in the top 20.

All their $$ couldn't keep their coach from leaving, and their new coach went 7-6, yawn.

GMG_Dallas · September 1, 2023

38 minutes ago, Ross Hodgeson said:

I don't think you understand, SMU has and always will have money to burn and so we need to be cognizant of that. They don't play by the rules everyone else plays by.

I don't think you understand that other top programs are spending about as much or more than SMU in NIL plus getting $40-$50 million in yearly media revenue plus already having elite facilities. Money alone won't catch-up 30-40 years worth of top media dollars and fanbase development and if it could, SMU doesn't have *that* amount. Look at Texas and Texas A&M as examples of how difficult it is to compete every year. SMU has a lot of ground to make and taking $0 media dollars for 9 years will likely set them back further than they are today.

DentonStang · September 1, 2023

3 hours ago, rcade said:

If all you want is to not be G5, you've achieved that.

If you want to be seen as being worthy of a place in the P5, you've taken a deal so degrading no other P5 entrant has ever taken it before. UCF, Cincinnati, BYU and Houston are getting full Big 12 shares in 2025 expected to be $30 million a year.

In 2025 you're getting nothing.

The best you can hope for is that other schools follow the precedent SMU has set and lock in this new idea that some P5 schools get paid and others fill a seat -- like at the Oscars when a nobody comes in because an important person needs to pee.

UH and Cincy and UCF got a great deal. So what? That deal wasn't available. Should we just give up because we can't get the UH deal? This deal was available and it was worth it.